Yahoo! Message number: 500
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:35:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 memory

Larru:

I don't remember the slot numbers. but I do remember the positions.
First third fifth and seventh makes up the 4MB config.


--- bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  I picked up 4 1meg SIPPs on E-Pay recently in the hope of expanding
> my primary 1520 beyond the 2meg achieved by using the memory from my 
> secondary 1520. The good news is it accepts the chips, the bad news 
> is that it recognizes them as 256k. I also had to cut away some of 
> the chip card's ends in order for them to fit.
> 
>  Of course the blasted Connor picked that time to fail and I got the 
> dreaded 3 long beeps indicating failed access to the HD. 3 sharp raps
> with the rubber encased handle of my screwdriver got it functioning 
> again and there was no memory problem with boot-up or any of the 
> programs I tested. It had no problem with Win 3.1.
> 
>  In the process of removing and inserting the replaced 256k memory
> in my secondary 1520 I broke one fragile pin off each of 3 of the 4 
> SIPPs. ARGHH !!
>  So now I'm back where I started but with 4 1meg and 4 256k SIPPs
> supplying 2meg of memory.
>  Could anyone supply me with the slot locations, xx61-xx68 for the
> original configurations ? I'd forgotten and using the first 4 doesn't 
> seem to work. I might try a soldering workaround and want to insert 
> the SIPPs only once.
> 
>  Also does anyone know a good(cheap) source for the Connor drives ?
> 
> Thanks
> Lawrence  
> 
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 501
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:38:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Description Change

Geese..

And I was going to try to sell 15XX rated hard drives.  :-)


--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> All,
> Charlie has given me the power to change the description on our 
> message board.
> The funny part was I made a punctuation change and selected "Save 
> Changes."  The system kept rejecting my change with an error 
> saying "We do not allow profane words in the title or description."
> Huh?!?!?!
> I deleted each sentence until it accepted the change.  Once I found 
> the offending sentence, I had to find which word it didn't like.
> As it turns out, Yahoogroups doesn't like the string "15XX."
> Perhaps the "5XX" is a reference to sex. HA!
> -Shawn
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 502
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:06:04 -0000
From: "bigwalk_ca"
Subject: Re: Mouse on 1530sx

 I'm using 8.2 which came with my edition of Windows 3.1. Its' 
mouse.ini says "mouse=serial2" (without the quotes) . Works great in 
windows or the DOS 5 I'm using. 

Lawrence

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., Charles Ford <cjford1@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- pete feeney <pete@f...> wrote:
> >  
> > Does anyone have any info on the drivers for the mouse (rolling 
bar and
> > four buttons)
> > Was it a specific drivers or can a generic be used?
> >  
> > 
> 
> I think it ID's as a PS2 compatable.   
> 
> Try the MS Mouse 8.1  (comes with win311 IIRC)
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 503
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:39:45 -0000
From: "bigwalk_ca"
Subject: Re: help with booting GRiDCase 1530

 I have both an external GRID 3.5 m.34170 and 5.25 m.3402. (As well 
as a SCSI 5.25 m.2202) I believe they are all proprietory to Grid and 
use special Grid-branded cables. They have dip-switches to set the 
drive designations (A or B). The 34170 takes its' power from the host
machine and the 3402 externally. I'm using an old Sony L-T 12v to 
power it. The 34170 is hi-density as is the internal in my 1520s. 
I haven't opened them up to see who manufactured them but will if 
there's any interest.

Lawrence 

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., "Robert C Wittig" <rwittig@c...> wrote:
> > Well, I knew that. The problem is, I can't run this program to 
change
> > the BIOS if I have nothing to run it off of, and I don't have any
> > 720k floppies.
> 
> Assuming that A: is your 3.5" drive, you can make a 720K double 
sided
> 3.5" floppy from a 1.44MB floppy with the following DOS command:
> 
> format a: /f:720  ...(there is a hard to see colon ':' after 
the 'f'.)
> 
> Note* Some of the newer computers, most notably lameass Gateway, 
may have
> floppy drives that cannot manage this command, or recognise 720K
> formatted disks.
> 
> > Is there any way to plug a newer floppy into the 1530?
> 
> First, the drive in your 1530 should be a 1.44MB capacity drive
> already... the drives on all 3 of my slightly older and unmodified 
1520's
> are.
> 
> Second, check to see if you have an FDD jack on the back of the 
machine,
> for an external FDD.
> 
> Third, there are 2 GRiD 3.5 FDD's for sale on eBay, Item # 
2067791148.
> Caveat Emptor.
> 
> There are also a bunch of GRiD 1530's up for sale, as well. The guy
> selling them first tried selling them last week at $40.00 a pop, 
but only
> had one taker, so he has now lowered his opening bid to $20.00. 
Again,
> Caveat Emptor.
> 
> -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> A business is as honest as its advertisements.
> .

Yahoo! Message number: 504
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:55:15 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 memory

 Thanks. That arrangement also makes it easier to insert those
blasted SIPPs. Should that have been "1MB config". If not, then that
might explain why my 1meg SIPPs are recognized as 256k. I seem
to remember a comment about it not accepting mixed sizes.

Lawrence

> Larru:
>
> I don't remember the slot numbers. but I do remember the positions.
> First third fifth and seventh makes up the 4MB config.
>
>
> --- bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...> wrote:
> >  I picked up 4 1meg SIPPs on E-Pay recently in the hope of expanding
> > my primary 1520 beyond the 2meg achieved by using the memory from my
> > secondary 1520. The good news is it accepts the chips, the bad news is
> > that it recognizes them as 256k. I also had to cut away some of the
> > chip card's ends in order for them to fit.
> >
> >  Of course the blasted Connor picked that time to fail and I got the
> > dreaded 3 long beeps indicating failed access to the HD. 3 sharp raps
> > with the rubber encased handle of my screwdriver got it functioning
> > again and there was no memory problem with boot-up or any of the
> > programs I tested. It had no problem with Win 3.1.
> >
> >  In the process of removing and inserting the replaced 256k memory
> > in my secondary 1520 I broke one fragile pin off each of 3 of the 4
> > SIPPs. ARGHH !!
> >  So now I'm back where I started but with 4 1meg and 4 256k SIPPs
> > supplying 2meg of memory.
> >  Could anyone supply me with the slot locations, xx61-xx68 for the
> > original configurations ? I'd forgotten and using the first 4 doesn't
> > seem to work. I might try a soldering workaround and want to insert
> > the SIPPs only once.
> >
> >  Also does anyone know a good(cheap) source for the Connor drives ?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Lawrence
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 505
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:40:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Batteries on eBay

http://cgi.netscape.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2075558427

I think these are the ones that fit the 15XX Laptops.

IF anybody is interested

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Yahoo! Message number: 506
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:43:28 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 memory

Could this be why my 1530sx doesn't show it's correct memory!
I'll try it tonight.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...] 
Sent: 22 November 2002 22:36
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 memory

Larru:

I don't remember the slot numbers. but I do remember the positions.
First third fifth and seventh makes up the 4MB config.


--- bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  I picked up 4 1meg SIPPs on E-Pay recently in the hope of expanding
> my primary 1520 beyond the 2meg achieved by using the memory from my 
> secondary 1520. The good news is it accepts the chips, the bad news 
> is that it recognizes them as 256k. I also had to cut away some of 
> the chip card's ends in order for them to fit.
> 
>  Of course the blasted Connor picked that time to fail and I got the 
> dreaded 3 long beeps indicating failed access to the HD. 3 sharp raps
> with the rubber encased handle of my screwdriver got it functioning 
> again and there was no memory problem with boot-up or any of the 
> programs I tested. It had no problem with Win 3.1.
> 
>  In the process of removing and inserting the replaced 256k memory
> in my secondary 1520 I broke one fragile pin off each of 3 of the 4 
> SIPPs. ARGHH !!
>  So now I'm back where I started but with 4 1meg and 4 256k SIPPs
> supplying 2meg of memory.
>  Could anyone supply me with the slot locations, xx61-xx68 for the
> original configurations ? I'd forgotten and using the first 4 doesn't 
> seem to work. I might try a soldering workaround and want to insert 
> the SIPPs only once.
> 
>  Also does anyone know a good(cheap) source for the Connor drives ?
> 
> Thanks
> Lawrence  
> 
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 507
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:46:48 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Mouse on 1530sx
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I've been looking at ETlinux which appears to be the best for our
laptops check the site out and it's build/hardware requirements.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: bigwalk_ca [mailto:lgwalker@...] 
Sent: 23 November 2002 02:06
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Mouse on 1530sx
 
I'm using 8.2 which came with my edition of Windows 3.1. Its' 
mouse.ini says "mouse=serial2" (without the quotes) . Works great in 
windows or the DOS 5 I'm using. 

Lawrence

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., Charles Ford <cjford1@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- pete feeney <pete@f...> wrote:
> >  
> > Does anyone have any info on the drivers for the mouse (rolling 
bar and
> > four buttons)
> > Was it a specific drivers or can a generic be used?
> >  
> > 
> 
> I think it ID's as a PS2 compatable.   
> 
> Try the MS Mouse 8.1  (comes with win311 IIRC)
> 
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 508
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:18:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Mouse on 1530sx

Pete: 

Could you favor us with a link?

--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> I've been looking at ETlinux which appears to be the best for our
> laptops check the site out and it's build/hardware requirements.

>>SNIP<<

> I'm using 8.2 which came with my edition of Windows 3.1. Its' 
> mouse.ini says "mouse=serial2" (without the quotes) . Works great in 
> windows or the DOS 5 I'm using. 
> 
> Lawrence
> 

Still using the Microsoft Ball pointer
http://home.swbell.net/lonaf/GRiD.gif

There is a schematic on the vault to convert your modem socket to an
ordinary serial port.
 

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Yahoo! Message number: 509
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:54:26 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Mouse on 1530sx
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi
Well below is the link 
http://www.etlinux.org <http://www.etlinux.org/> 
the web site explains a lot to get it to run on a 1Mb system look at the
ftp site for the 0-2mb size version.
pete
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...] 
Sent: 27 November 2002 14:19
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Mouse on 1530sx
 
Pete: 

Could you favor us with a link?

--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> I've been looking at ETlinux which appears to be the best for our
> laptops check the site out and it's build/hardware requirements.

>>SNIP<<

> I'm using 8.2 which came with my edition of Windows 3.1. Its' 
> mouse.ini says "mouse=serial2" (without the quotes) . Works great in 
> windows or the DOS 5 I'm using. 
> 
> Lawrence
> 

Still using the Microsoft Ball pointer
http://home.swbell.net/lonaf/GRiD.gif

There is a schematic on the vault to convert your modem socket to an
ordinary serial port.


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Yahoo! Message number: 510
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:22:39 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: yet another case of mistaken identity... please help /w 1520

Well, it happened again. This time, instead of the 1755 I bought, I 
received a GRiDCase 1520. But then again, I suppose I like this more. 
The problem is, it doesn't seem to work right.
When I boot it up, it gives me either some weird error message 
(forgot what it was), tells me to press f1 to continue, and does 
nothing. Other times it says the real time clock is not set, tells me 
to set it, then boots normally and works. Other times it boots 
perfectly.
Any idea what is going on?
And how do I set this thing's clock?
And how the heck to I get into the BIOS?

BTW, I finally gave up on my 1530. It no longer does anything 
whatsoever when I turn it on, and it's been in several peices on my 
desk for days. Guess I won't need those BIOS EPROMs after all...

Yahoo! Message number: 511
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:44:53 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Mouse on 1530sx

 I didn't do an extensive search but it seems to require a 386 which 
would rule out my 1520s unfortunately. Never-the-less 1530s and up
would benefit from it. I could put it on my 1755 but I think there are
several versions that work on a 386, and this seems dedicated to 
embedded systems. Ah well, there is always Minix, if one wants a 
UNIX type system. Something I have on ALL my DOS boxes is 
CMFiler a remarkable shareware program which is similar to Norton 
Commander but IMHO is much better with many more features. It's 
my general hacking engine. GUIs are overrated anyways and CMFiler
allows me to easily look at the code, and perform many operations
with the simple click of the entry key or mouse. I can even zip or 
unzip with a simple click. When windoze balks at reading a file I
simply bring up CMF in a DOS window or exit to DOS and do it that 
way.

Lawrence

Lawrence 

> Hi
> Well below is the link 
> http://www.etlinux.org <http://www.etlinux.org/> 
> the web site explains a lot to get it to run on a 1Mb system look at the
> ftp site for the 0-2mb size version. pete
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...] 
> Sent: 27 November 2002 14:19
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Mouse on 1530sx
> 
> Pete: 
> 
> Could you favor us with a link?
> 
> --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> > I've been looking at ETlinux which appears to be the best for our
> > laptops check the site out and it's build/hardware requirements.
> 
> >>SNIP<<
> 
> > I'm using 8.2 which came with my edition of Windows 3.1. Its' 
> > mouse.ini says "mouse=serial2" (without the quotes) . Works great in
> > windows or the DOS 5 I'm using. 
> > 
> > Lawrence
> > 
> 
> Still using the Microsoft Ball pointer
> http://home.swbell.net/lonaf/GRiD.gif
> 
> There is a schematic on the vault to convert your modem socket to an
> ordinary serial port.
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Yahoo! Message number: 512
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:46:56 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Re: Mouse on 1530sx

I suggest you try Cutemouse. It's a neat little freeware mouse driver.
It's a TSR, but only takes 4k(!) of Memory. I've been using it with 
my 1520 and a logitech serial mouse and it works great. Plus it 
supports nearly any pointing device you can think of.

Yahoo! Message number: 513
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:49:37 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] yet another case of mistaken identity... please help /w 1520

Beirnan,
My name is Shawn and welcome to the group.
Cool beans on the 1520.  Did the seller advertise it as a 1520 or a
1755?  I'm no GRiD expert but I'm pretty sure those are two separate
animals and it would be hard to confuse them.

As far as your errors, it sounds like the Dallas Real Time clock chip is
preventing the computer from booting.  Try this (it's a fix from
Lawrence-another list member):

Check out message 330 on the list's Yahoo site. Depends on whether you 
have the Dallas clock chip DS12887A or not on your Grid. The "A" 
designates it as resettable. Otherwise I believe you just short the 
internal 
battery on the Grid. The Dallas chip is soldered to the motherboard so
it's necessary to get at the underside of the motherboard unless the 
chip
wasn't fully inserted before soldering and you are able to access the 
pins 
from the top-side. You then short pins 12 and 21. The Dallas chip has 
its
own internal battery.
 This is a recurring question. I have the schematics of the chip and 
specs
from Dallas in a PDF file and another small info file from a firmware 
ftp site.
 If Charles is in agreement I could upload it to him for insertion in 
the files 
section.

Lawrence


Did the file ever get into the Files section of the Group?

Also, Beirman, please let us know if this works out for you.
Thanks,
-Shawn

beirnan wrote:
> 
> Well, it happened again. This time, instead of the 1755 I bought, I
> received a GRiDCase 1520. But then again, I suppose I like this more.
> The problem is, it doesn't seem to work right.
> When I boot it up, it gives me either some weird error message
> (forgot what it was), tells me to press f1 to continue, and does
> nothing. Other times it says the real time clock is not set, tells me
> to set it, then boots normally and works. Other times it boots
> perfectly.
> Any idea what is going on?
> And how do I set this thing's clock?
> And how the heck to I get into the BIOS?
> 
> BTW, I finally gave up on my 1530. It no longer does anything
> whatsoever when I turn it on, and it's been in several peices on my
> desk for days. Guess I won't need those BIOS EPROMs after all...
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 514
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 02:13:34 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Re: yet another case of mistaken identity... please help /w 1520

He said it was a 1755, but looking at the pics and description it was 
clearly a 1520/30 so I bought it, needing parts for my 1530. I didn't 
know it would work so well, and my 1530 is dead and probably not 
coming back, so I kept it. Weird thing is, the manuals it came with 
and one of the AC adaptors are for the 1755.
I'm almost certain it's a dead CMOS battery that is causing the 
problems,
as when I turn it on or reboot it it works normally, and only stops 
when I turn it off and let it sit for a few minutes. It then gives me 
an error message... something along the lines of "Invalid 
configuration information. Code 02.
Press F1 to continue."
Then I CTRL-ALT-DEL and it gives me the clock message, then boots 
normally.

BTW, has anyone else had any luck with the internal modem?
It would be great to be able to do email or usenet away from my PC,
and a text browser like DOSLynx or NetTamer probably wouldn't be too 
bad on a 2400 baud modem.
I got NetTamer to see the modem, initialize it, and dial my ISP, but 
it couldn't connect.
Anyone else get it to work, and is there a way to turn off the modem 
speaker?
It's the noisiest modem I've ever heard...
--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., Shawn <Shawnerz@S...> wrote:
> Beirnan,
> My name is Shawn and welcome to the group.
> Cool beans on the 1520.  Did the seller advertise it as a 1520 or a
> 1755?  I'm no GRiD expert but I'm pretty sure those are two separate
> animals and it would be hard to confuse them.
> 
> As far as your errors, it sounds like the Dallas Real Time clock 
chip is
> preventing the computer from booting.  Try this (it's a fix from
> Lawrence-another list member):
> 
> Check out message 330 on the list's Yahoo site. Depends on whether 
you 
> have the Dallas clock chip DS12887A or not on your Grid. The "A" 
> designates it as resettable. Otherwise I believe you just short the 
> internal 
> battery on the Grid. The Dallas chip is soldered to the motherboard 
so
> it's necessary to get at the underside of the motherboard unless 
the 
> chip
> wasn't fully inserted before soldering and you are able to access 
the 
> pins 
> from the top-side. You then short pins 12 and 21. The Dallas chip 
has 
> its
> own internal battery.
>  This is a recurring question. I have the schematics of the chip 
and 
> specs
> from Dallas in a PDF file and another small info file from a 
firmware 
> ftp site.
>  If Charles is in agreement I could upload it to him for insertion 
in 
> the files 
> section.
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> 
> Did the file ever get into the Files section of the Group?
> 
> Also, Beirman, please let us know if this works out for you.
> Thanks,
> -Shawn
> 
> beirnan wrote:
> > 
> > Well, it happened again. This time, instead of the 1755 I bought, 
I
> > received a GRiDCase 1520. But then again, I suppose I like this 
more.
> > The problem is, it doesn't seem to work right.
> > When I boot it up, it gives me either some weird error message
> > (forgot what it was), tells me to press f1 to continue, and does
> > nothing. Other times it says the real time clock is not set, 
tells me
> > to set it, then boots normally and works. Other times it boots
> > perfectly.
> > Any idea what is going on?
> > And how do I set this thing's clock?
> > And how the heck to I get into the BIOS?
> > 
> > BTW, I finally gave up on my 1530. It no longer does anything
> > whatsoever when I turn it on, and it's been in several peices on 
my
> > desk for days. Guess I won't need those BIOS EPROMs after all...
> > 
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 515
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 04:42:38 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] yet another case of mistaken identity... please help /w 1520

 OK it's up there now. Not all versions had the Dallas RTC, some 
have a 3.6v lithium battery. In this case it sounds like the RTC is 
dead. If so, you'd have to unsolder the chip and solder another one in.
 The Grid saves power by disabling the modem. Use 
"mode modem on" (without the apostrophes) using the Grid Dos 3.3 
version.
 A handy program is the shareware program Snooper which is readily 
available. It reads the BIOS and can change some parameters.

Lawrence

> Beirnan,
> My name is Shawn and welcome to the group.
> Cool beans on the 1520.  Did the seller advertise it as a 1520 or a
> 1755?  I'm no GRiD expert but I'm pretty sure those are two separate
> animals and it would be hard to confuse them.
> 
> As far as your errors, it sounds like the Dallas Real Time clock chip is
> preventing the computer from booting.  Try this (it's a fix from
> Lawrence-another list member):
> 
> Check out message 330 on the list's Yahoo site. Depends on whether you
> have the Dallas clock chip DS12887A or not on your Grid. The "A"
> designates it as resettable. Otherwise I believe you just short the
> internal battery on the Grid. The Dallas chip is soldered to the
> motherboard so it's necessary to get at the underside of the motherboard
> unless the chip wasn't fully inserted before soldering and you are able
> to access the pins from the top-side. You then short pins 12 and 21. The
> Dallas chip has its own internal battery.
>  This is a recurring question. I have the schematics of the chip and
> specs from Dallas in a PDF file and another small info file from a
> firmware ftp site.
>  If Charles is in agreement I could upload it to him for insertion in
> the files section.
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> 
> Did the file ever get into the Files section of the Group?
> 
> Also, Beirman, please let us know if this works out for you.
> Thanks,
> -Shawn
> 
> beirnan wrote:
> > 
> > Well, it happened again. This time, instead of the 1755 I bought, I
> > received a GRiDCase 1520. But then again, I suppose I like this more.
> > The problem is, it doesn't seem to work right. When I boot it up, it
> > gives me either some weird error message (forgot what it was), tells
> > me to press f1 to continue, and does nothing. Other times it says the
> > real time clock is not set, tells me to set it, then boots normally
> > and works. Other times it boots perfectly. Any idea what is going on?
> > And how do I set this thing's clock? And how the heck to I get into
> > the BIOS?
> > 
> > BTW, I finally gave up on my 1530. It no longer does anything
> > whatsoever when I turn it on, and it's been in several peices on my
> > desk for days. Guess I won't need those BIOS EPROMs after all...
> > 
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
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Yahoo! Message number: 516
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:01:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: yet another case of mistaken identity... please help /w 1520

Beirnan,
Let's see.  Sounds like the internal CMOS battery is
almost dead.  It's holding a partial change for a few
minutes, but if power is removed for more than that,
the confugarion is lost.

As far as the modem, your ISP may not allow
connections below a certian speed (say 9600 bps).
My 1550 had a modem but things started drawing way too
much current and the power supply was shutting down on
boot up.  So, I ended up throwing it way.
-Shawn

--- beirnan <gkbennett@...> wrote:
> He said it was a 1755, but looking at the pics and
> description it was 
> clearly a 1520/30 so I bought it, needing parts for
> my 1530. I didn't 
> know it would work so well, and my 1530 is dead and
> probably not 
> coming back, so I kept it. Weird thing is, the
> manuals it came with 
> and one of the AC adaptors are for the 1755.
> I'm almost certain it's a dead CMOS battery that is
> causing the 
> problems,
> as when I turn it on or reboot it it works normally,
> and only stops 
> when I turn it off and let it sit for a few minutes.
> It then gives me 
> an error message... something along the lines of
> "Invalid 
> configuration information. Code 02.
> Press F1 to continue."
> Then I CTRL-ALT-DEL and it gives me the clock
> message, then boots 
> normally.
> 
> BTW, has anyone else had any luck with the internal
> modem?
> It would be great to be able to do email or usenet
> away from my PC,
> and a text browser like DOSLynx or NetTamer probably
> wouldn't be too 
> bad on a 2400 baud modem.
> I got NetTamer to see the modem, initialize it, and
> dial my ISP, but 
> it couldn't connect.
> Anyone else get it to work, and is there a way to
> turn off the modem 
> speaker?
> It's the noisiest modem I've ever heard...
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., Shawn <Shawnerz@S...>
> wrote:
> > Beirnan,
> > My name is Shawn and welcome to the group.
> > Cool beans on the 1520.  Did the seller advertise
> it as a 1520 or a
> > 1755?  I'm no GRiD expert but I'm pretty sure
> those are two separate
> > animals and it would be hard to confuse them.
> > 
> > As far as your errors, it sounds like the Dallas
> Real Time clock 
> chip is
> > preventing the computer from booting.  Try this
> (it's a fix from
> > Lawrence-another list member):
> > 
> > Check out message 330 on the list's Yahoo site.
> Depends on whether 
> you 
> > have the Dallas clock chip DS12887A or not on your
> Grid. The "A" 
> > designates it as resettable. Otherwise I believe
> you just short the 
> > internal 
> > battery on the Grid. The Dallas chip is soldered
> to the motherboard 
> so
> > it's necessary to get at the underside of the
> motherboard unless 
> the 
> > chip
> > wasn't fully inserted before soldering and you are
> able to access 
> the 
> > pins 
> > from the top-side. You then short pins 12 and 21.
> The Dallas chip 
> has 
> > its
> > own internal battery.
> >  This is a recurring question. I have the
> schematics of the chip 
> and 
> > specs
> > from Dallas in a PDF file and another small info
> file from a 
> firmware 
> > ftp site.
> >  If Charles is in agreement I could upload it to
> him for insertion 
> in 
> > the files 
> > section.
> > 
> > Lawrence
> > 
> > 
> > Did the file ever get into the Files section of
> the Group?
> > 
> > Also, Beirman, please let us know if this works
> out for you.
> > Thanks,
> > -Shawn
> > 
> > beirnan wrote:
> > > 
> > > Well, it happened again. This time, instead of
> the 1755 I bought, 
> I
> > > received a GRiDCase 1520. But then again, I
> suppose I like this 
> more.
> > > The problem is, it doesn't seem to work right.
> > > When I boot it up, it gives me either some weird
> error message
> > > (forgot what it was), tells me to press f1 to
> continue, and does
> > > nothing. Other times it says the real time clock
> is not set, 
> tells me
> > > to set it, then boots normally and works. Other
> times it boots
> > > perfectly.
> > > Any idea what is going on?
> > > And how do I set this thing's clock?
> > > And how the heck to I get into the BIOS?
> > > 
> > > BTW, I finally gave up on my 1530. It no longer
> does anything
> > > whatsoever when I turn it on, and it's been in
> several peices on 
> my
> > > desk for days. Guess I won't need those BIOS
> EPROMs after all...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
> to:
> > > RuGRiD-Laptop-unsubscribe@y...
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Yahoo! Message number: 517
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:46:54 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Re: yet another case of mistaken identity... please help /w 1520

well, from what I've heard, replacing the CMOS battery can really 
mess up a GRiDCase...

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> Beirnan,
> Let's see.  Sounds like the internal CMOS battery is
> almost dead.  It's holding a partial change for a few
> minutes, but if power is removed for more than that,
> the confugarion is lost.
> 
> As far as the modem, your ISP may not allow
> connections below a certian speed (say 9600 bps).
> My 1550 had a modem but things started drawing way too
> much current and the power supply was shutting down on
> boot up.  So, I ended up throwing it way.
> -Shawn
> 
> --- beirnan <gkbennett@j...> wrote:
> > He said it was a 1755, but looking at the pics and
> > description it was 
> > clearly a 1520/30 so I bought it, needing parts for
> > my 1530. I didn't 
> > know it would work so well, and my 1530 is dead and
> > probably not 
> > coming back, so I kept it. Weird thing is, the
> > manuals it came with 
> > and one of the AC adaptors are for the 1755.
> > I'm almost certain it's a dead CMOS battery that is
> > causing the 
> > problems,
> > as when I turn it on or reboot it it works normally,
> > and only stops 
> > when I turn it off and let it sit for a few minutes.
> > It then gives me 
> > an error message... something along the lines of
> > "Invalid 
> > configuration information. Code 02.
> > Press F1 to continue."
> > Then I CTRL-ALT-DEL and it gives me the clock
> > message, then boots 
> > normally.
> > 
> > BTW, has anyone else had any luck with the internal
> > modem?
> > It would be great to be able to do email or usenet
> > away from my PC,
> > and a text browser like DOSLynx or NetTamer probably
> > wouldn't be too 
> > bad on a 2400 baud modem.
> > I got NetTamer to see the modem, initialize it, and
> > dial my ISP, but 
> > it couldn't connect.
> > Anyone else get it to work, and is there a way to
> > turn off the modem 
> > speaker?
> > It's the noisiest modem I've ever heard...
> > --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., Shawn <Shawnerz@S...>
> > wrote:
> > > Beirnan,
> > > My name is Shawn and welcome to the group.
> > > Cool beans on the 1520.  Did the seller advertise
> > it as a 1520 or a
> > > 1755?  I'm no GRiD expert but I'm pretty sure
> > those are two separate
> > > animals and it would be hard to confuse them.
> > > 
> > > As far as your errors, it sounds like the Dallas
> > Real Time clock 
> > chip is
> > > preventing the computer from booting.  Try this
> > (it's a fix from
> > > Lawrence-another list member):
> > > 
> > > Check out message 330 on the list's Yahoo site.
> > Depends on whether 
> > you 
> > > have the Dallas clock chip DS12887A or not on your
> > Grid. The "A" 
> > > designates it as resettable. Otherwise I believe
> > you just short the 
> > > internal 
> > > battery on the Grid. The Dallas chip is soldered
> > to the motherboard 
> > so
> > > it's necessary to get at the underside of the
> > motherboard unless 
> > the 
> > > chip
> > > wasn't fully inserted before soldering and you are
> > able to access 
> > the 
> > > pins 
> > > from the top-side. You then short pins 12 and 21.
> > The Dallas chip 
> > has 
> > > its
> > > own internal battery.
> > >  This is a recurring question. I have the
> > schematics of the chip 
> > and 
> > > specs
> > > from Dallas in a PDF file and another small info
> > file from a 
> > firmware 
> > > ftp site.
> > >  If Charles is in agreement I could upload it to
> > him for insertion 
> > in 
> > > the files 
> > > section.
> > > 
> > > Lawrence
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Did the file ever get into the Files section of
> > the Group?
> > > 
> > > Also, Beirman, please let us know if this works
> > out for you.
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Shawn
> > > 
> > > beirnan wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Well, it happened again. This time, instead of
> > the 1755 I bought, 
> > I
> > > > received a GRiDCase 1520. But then again, I
> > suppose I like this 
> > more.
> > > > The problem is, it doesn't seem to work right.
> > > > When I boot it up, it gives me either some weird
> > error message
> > > > (forgot what it was), tells me to press f1 to
> > continue, and does
> > > > nothing. Other times it says the real time clock
> > is not set, 
> > tells me
> > > > to set it, then boots normally and works. Other
> > times it boots
> > > > perfectly.
> > > > Any idea what is going on?
> > > > And how do I set this thing's clock?
> > > > And how the heck to I get into the BIOS?
> > > > 
> > > > BTW, I finally gave up on my 1530. It no longer
> > does anything
> > > > whatsoever when I turn it on, and it's been in
> > several peices on 
> > my
> > > > desk for days. Guess I won't need those BIOS
> > EPROMs after all...
> > > > 
> > > > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 518
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 04:25:38 -0000
From: "eagelview"
Subject: 1530

Note of thanks to all that worked on the 1530 rom patch, it worked
great.  Took me a while to find a programmer, but I finally got one on
ebay and the program loaded with no problems.  Now I got my 1530 to
recognize a cfs420a conner.  My next project is to upgrade the memory.
 All I have at present is 1 meg.  Any suggestions will be greatly
appreciated.  thanks, mb

Yahoo! Message number: 519
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:24:30 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!

Well, I finally found a way to power these things. The power supply 
that came with my 1520 had the same weird plug on the back that 
prevented me from finding a power supply. Luckily, it also came with 
the cable needed to plug in a source of power. The first one I tried 
didn't boot correctly, giving the error message "Invalid 
configuration settings. Factory defaults restored. Press f1 to 
continue" which sounds like a dead CMOS battery to me.
  Unfortunately, that 1537 also refused to boot from a floppy, giving 
me a "non-system disk or disk error replace the disk and press any 
key" message every time. The second one, which I had disassembled out 
of sheer curiousity, I put back together and booted it. It refused to 
see the conner 40 meg hard drive I put in the removable slide-in hard 
drive tray, but did boot from a floppy.

Now, since it has no hard drive and I can't fit everything I want on 
a floppy, I made a boot disk with as many system files as I could fit 
on it. When I boot it from this disk, the config.sys creates a 1.5 
meg RAMDisk and the autoexec.bat transfers all the files into said 
ramdisk, so I can use everything without the need for the floppy. 
It's been working perfectly, although it's only a temporary solution.

Does anyone know what kind of HDD this thing will take? The card in 
the removable tray has the same physical layout as the connectors in 
the 1520/30, and so only those old Conner hard disks, and certain 
others, will fit.

Yahoo! Message number: 520
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:08:30 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!

Beirnan,
What power plug do you have on the back of your 1520?  My 1520's and
GRiDCase 2 all have the coaxial barrel type connector.  I'm not sure if
you're in the US or not, but those connectors are easily found at Radio
Shack (or Tandy if you're outside the US).

Hopefully, this will answer your hard drive question.  It's for a 1530,
but I'm sure you will find it useful.
I think I originally copied this from Rob's GridBoard.
Eagleview:  Is this the procedure that you followed?
-Shawn

Hello everybody,

I found a way to connect a Conner CFS210A Harddisk to my GRiDCASE 1530.
(Yes, I have a 200MB HDD AND a 3,5" FDD in my GRiDCASE!) I think it
should
work with each Conner Harddisk which fits mechanically and is below the
520MB border.
The trick is, you have to patch the BIOS.

One (or a few more ;-)) word before you start patching your EPROM:

DON'T USE THE ORIGINAL BIOS EPROMS OR MAKE A BACKUP OF YOUR BIOS EPROMS!
YOU MAKE ALL CHANGES ON YOUR OWN RISK!
Note the Checksum of each original EPROM, you need it later on.

How the BIOS works:
My GRiDCASE has the Version "80386 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 10/25/89".
First the BIOS uses the Harddisk-command ECh to identify it; then it
looks into the identification for the Harddisk-type and compares this
with a BIOS-internal table of
allowed Harddisk. In my BIOS the table starts at F000:F63C and includes
the following types CP3022, CP3024, CP3044, CP3042, CP344 and CP3104.
You can check
this with DOS debug and using "d f000:f63c" it corresponds with the
EPROM-address 763Ch in byte- and 3B1Eh in word-mode.
Then there must be a second table with six pointers, one for each
HDD-type, I didn't search for this table till now, because I found a
workaround by chance.
This pointer points to an entry in a third table, the table of
HDD-parameters. It starts at BIOS-address F000:E400, EPROM-address 6400h
in byte- and 3200h in
word-mode. Each entry is 16 (10h) bytes long. Then the BIOS uses this
parameters.

Now to the solution. You have to change three points into the BIOS:
1. the HDD-type; 2. the parameter entry; 3. the BIOS-checksum.

Step 1:
I changed the first and the second entry in the type-table (3B1Eh):
The original content was (in ASCII):
CP3022CP3024CP3044CP3042CP344CP3104
to the following:
CFS210ACP344CP3044CP3042CP344CP3104
The first entry is the type of the HDD you will use (for me CFS210A), I
changed the second entry to another valid entry (CP344). So I didn't
change the table length
and all enntries are valid. You may change more then this entrys, but
use only valid entries and don't change the table length.

Step 2:
By chance I found out, that entry two in the parameter-table belongs to
entry one in the type-table. Entry two starts at BIOS-address F000:E410,
EPROM-address
6410h in byte- and 3208h in word-mode.

The CFS210A HDD has the following parameters:
Cyl 685 2ADh
Hds 16 10h
WPComp 0 0h
LZone 2477 9ADh
Sect 38 26h

meaning ? Cyl Hds ? ? WPComp ? ? ? ? ? LZone Sect
original entry 00 | 67 02 | 04 | 00 00 | 2C 01 | 00 00 00 00 00 | 67 02
| 11
patched entry 00 | AD 02 | 10 | 00 00 | 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 00 | AD 09 |
26

Remember, you have to exchange high and low byte (Cyl, WPComp and
LZone).

Step 3:
Change the checksum of each EPROM to the original value. By making the
above patches, you changed the checksum of the EPROMs. I used a trick to
restore the
original values. At the beginning of each EPROM is a string with a
copyright note "Copyright 1985,1986 Phoenix Technologies Ltd.". You may
change this strings in a
form, that brings you back to the original checksum. This string is only
(and not more) a copyright note. The checksum of my even-EPROM is F600h
and of the
odd-EPROM is 8600h.

May be you can help me, I am looking for a battery slide in module (is
it the correct formulation?) for my 1530 because it came without one and
for an ethernet adapter. 
If you have documentation about the connectors, specially the internal
and the external peripheral or if you find out more about connecting
HDD's, please mail it to me.

Please, don't use this information commercially (without giving me a
little bonus ;-}), I worked hard for two days to find out this
informations!

I wish you good luck and success, many greetings from germany

Michael

beirnan wrote:
> 
> Well, I finally found a way to power these things. The power supply
> that came with my 1520 had the same weird plug on the back that
> prevented me from finding a power supply. Luckily, it also came with
> the cable needed to plug in a source of power. The first one I tried
> didn't boot correctly, giving the error message "Invalid
> configuration settings. Factory defaults restored. Press f1 to
> continue" which sounds like a dead CMOS battery to me.
>   Unfortunately, that 1537 also refused to boot from a floppy, giving
> me a "non-system disk or disk error replace the disk and press any
> key" message every time. The second one, which I had disassembled out
> of sheer curiousity, I put back together and booted it. It refused to
> see the conner 40 meg hard drive I put in the removable slide-in hard
> drive tray, but did boot from a floppy.
> 
> Now, since it has no hard drive and I can't fit everything I want on
> a floppy, I made a boot disk with as many system files as I could fit
> on it. When I boot it from this disk, the config.sys creates a 1.5
> meg RAMDisk and the autoexec.bat transfers all the files into said
> ramdisk, so I can use everything without the need for the floppy.
> It's been working perfectly, although it's only a temporary solution.
> 
> Does anyone know what kind of HDD this thing will take? The card in
> the removable tray has the same physical layout as the connectors in
> the 1520/30, and so only those old Conner hard disks, and certain
> others, will fit.
> 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
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Yahoo! Message number: 521
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:37:18 -0600
From: Mike Brashear
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!

Yahoo! Message number: 522
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:52:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!

--- Shawn <Shawnerz@...> wrote:
> Beirnan,
> What power plug do you have on the back of your 1520?  My 1520's and
> GRiDCase 2 all have the coaxial barrel type connector.  I'm not sure if
> you're in the US or not, but those connectors are easily found at Radio
> Shack (or Tandy if you're outside the US).
> 

Oh sum had a 3 prong DIN.  Two prongs large (current) and one smaller
(shell ground)  IT think this was for the Tempest hardining.

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Yahoo! Message number: 523
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 06:31:52 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Re: I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!

Huh. It looked like a DIN plug, but I never saw a 3-prong one before.
As for the harddrive, I don't have an EPROM programmer, and even if I 
did, I would have no idea how to make the necessary additions/changes.
The 1537's BIOS is totally different.
I don't even know where the BIOS ROMs are, this thing is very 
difficult to disassemble.
--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., Charles Ford <cjford1@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- Shawn <Shawnerz@S...> wrote:
> > Beirnan,
> > What power plug do you have on the back of your 1520?  My 1520's 
and
> > GRiDCase 2 all have the coaxial barrel type connector.  I'm not 
sure if
> > you're in the US or not, but those connectors are easily found at 
Radio
> > Shack (or Tandy if you're outside the US).
> > 
> 
> Oh sum had a 3 prong DIN.  Two prongs large (current) and one 
smaller
> (shell ground)  IT think this was for the Tempest hardining.
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Yahoo! Message number: 524
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:11:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!

--- beirnan <gkbennett@...> wrote:
> Huh. It looked like a DIN plug, but I never saw a 3-prong one before.
> As for the harddrive, I don't have an EPROM programmer, and even if I 
> did, I would have no idea how to make the necessary additions/changes.
> The 1537's BIOS is totally different.
> I don't even know where the BIOS ROMs are, this thing is very 
> difficult to disassemble.
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., Charles Ford <cjford1@y...> wrote:
> > 

Gee if I had your address I would send you the ROMs that are waiting for
you.  :-)

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Yahoo! Message number: 525
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:09:21 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I've been trying to get a compact flash card to work with little success
at the moment, as my 1530sx won't boot either.
 But it appears to be the best solution
 
-----Original Message-----
From: beirnan [mailto:gkbennett@...] 
Sent: 30 November 2002 08:25
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
 
Well, I finally found a way to power these things. The power supply 
that came with my 1520 had the same weird plug on the back that 
prevented me from finding a power supply. Luckily, it also came with 
the cable needed to plug in a source of power. The first one I tried 
didn't boot correctly, giving the error message "Invalid 
configuration settings. Factory defaults restored. Press f1 to 
continue" which sounds like a dead CMOS battery to me.
  Unfortunately, that 1537 also refused to boot from a floppy, giving 
me a "non-system disk or disk error replace the disk and press any 
key" message every time. The second one, which I had disassembled out 
of sheer curiousity, I put back together and booted it. It refused to 
see the conner 40 meg hard drive I put in the removable slide-in hard 
drive tray, but did boot from a floppy.

Now, since it has no hard drive and I can't fit everything I want on 
a floppy, I made a boot disk with as many system files as I could fit 
on it. When I boot it from this disk, the config.sys creates a 1.5 
meg RAMDisk and the autoexec.bat transfers all the files into said 
ramdisk, so I can use everything without the need for the floppy. 
It's been working perfectly, although it's only a temporary solution.

Does anyone know what kind of HDD this thing will take? The card in 
the removable tray has the same physical layout as the connectors in 
the 1520/30, and so only those old Conner hard disks, and certain 
others, will fit.





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Yahoo! Message number: 526
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:24:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Power Problems

All,
Something I forgot 'till just now:

> Well, I finally found a way to power these things.
> The power supply 
> that came with my 1520 had the same weird plug on
> the back that 
> prevented me from finding a power supply. Luckily,
> it also came with 
> the cable needed to plug in a source of power. 

My 1550sx had the same power connector.  I totally
forgot about that.  What I did is use two small nails
inserted into the porecepticleical on the GRiD and
then connect the power supply to the computer via
aligator clips.  Not fancy, not safe, but it worked. 
My 1550 died for reasons not related to the power
supply and ended up in the trash.
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Yahoo! Message number: 527
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:26:39 -0600
From: Robert C Wittig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Power Problems

Hello Shawnerz,

Monday, December 2, 2002, 8:24:04 AM, you wrote:

S> My 1550sx had the same power connector.  I totally
S> forgot about that.  What I did is use two small nails
S> inserted into the porecepticleical on the GRiD and
S> then connect the power supply to the computer via
S> aligator clips.  Not fancy, not safe, but it worked. 
S> My 1550 died for reasons not related to the power
S> supply and ended up in the trash.

I've been following this interesting conversation, and was a little
surprised. I have 3 GRiD 1520's. They all have the coaxial-looking
power connector that I have seen mentioned, and the also all have the
battery slot in back... for the GRiD battery that has a cross-section
profile of a rectangle with one corner clipped off. I picked up a GRiD
1040, which is one of the cheapo-plastic laptops, and it arrived with
a couple power supplies that are shaped exactly to fit into the 1520
battery receptacle, and accept a normal 110v computer power cable on
the outside face, and have both contact points for the 1520 battery well,
and a five prong female barrel plug jack on the inside face, so that
it works for 1520's and any other computer that has the same power
requirements, and can handle the five prong jack.


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Yahoo! Message number: 528
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:07:56 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Power Problems
text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Hi Robert
What spec is your 1040, i.e processor type etc?
Would be interested to know.
pete
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert C Wittig [mailto:rwittig@...] 
Sent: 02 December 2002 15:27
To: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Power Problems
 
Hello Shawnerz,

Monday, December 2, 2002, 8:24:04 AM, you wrote:

S> My 1550sx had the same power connector.  I totally
S> forgot about that.  What I did is use two small nails
S> inserted into the porecepticleical on the GRiD and
S> then connect the power supply to the computer via
S> aligator clips.  Not fancy, not safe, but it worked. 
S> My 1550 died for reasons not related to the power
S> supply and ended up in the trash.

I've been following this interesting conversation, and was a little
surprised. I have 3 GRiD 1520's. They all have the coaxial-looking
power connector that I have seen mentioned, and the also all have the
battery slot in back... for the GRiD battery that has a cross-section
profile of a rectangle with one corner clipped off. I picked up a GRiD
1040, which is one of the cheapo-plastic laptops, and it arrived with
a couple power supplies that are shaped exactly to fit into the 1520
battery receptacle, and accept a normal 110v computer power cable on
the outside face, and have both contact points for the 1520 battery
well,
and a five prong female barrel plug jack on the inside face, so that
it works for 1520's and any other computer that has the same power
requirements, and can handle the five prong jack.


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Yahoo! Message number: 529
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:42:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Power Problems

All,
IIRC, my 1550sx needed the 5 pin prong that Robert
describes.  I think the reason is the 1550 (and
possibly the 1537 as well) need a higher turn on
current.  IIRC the power supply is spec-ed at 16.25V @
3.25 amps.  The other 16.25 V power supply's with the
traditional coaxial barrel type connector were spec-ed
at 2 or 2.5 amps.
I'm sure someone has a better memory than me and could
elaborate.
-Shawn

--- Robert C Wittig <rwittig@...>
wrote:
> Hello Shawnerz,
> 
> Monday, December 2, 2002, 8:24:04 AM, you wrote:
> 
> S> My 1550sx had the same power connector.  I
> totally
> S> forgot about that.  What I did is use two small
> nails
> S> inserted into the porecepticleical on the GRiD
> and
> S> then connect the power supply to the computer via
> S> aligator clips.  Not fancy, not safe, but it
> worked. 
> S> My 1550 died for reasons not related to the power
> S> supply and ended up in the trash.
> 
> I've been following this interesting conversation,
> and was a little
> surprised. I have 3 GRiD 1520's. They all have the
> coaxial-looking
> power connector that I have seen mentioned, and the
> also all have the
> battery slot in back... for the GRiD battery that
> has a cross-section
> profile of a rectangle with one corner clipped off.
> I picked up a GRiD
> 1040, which is one of the cheapo-plastic laptops,
> and it arrived with
> a couple power supplies that are shaped exactly to
> fit into the 1520
> battery receptacle, and accept a normal 110v
> computer power cable on
> the outside face, and have both contact points for
> the 1520 battery well,
> and a five prong female barrel plug jack on the
> inside face, so that
> it works for 1520's and any other computer that has
> the same power
> requirements, and can handle the five prong jack.
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 530
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:39:38 -0000
From: "peter_renaud"
Subject: Help 1755 info request

I just picked up 3 GRiD 1755 laptops. All work and boot DoS from
the floppy but FDISK fails for the hard drive. I can hear the hard
drive spin up but FDISK returns an error message. I tried SET1755
but the menu responds with beeps for every keystrock. I know the 
keyboard's ok because I can type. Any suggestions?

Thanks. 

Yahoo! Message number: 531
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:36:26 -0600
From: Mike Brashear
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Help 1755 info request

Yahoo! Message number: 532
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 06:39:42 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Need a LCD VGA for 1520

Well, the major problem that keeps me from doing much of anything 
with my 1520 isn't the lack of memory or the slow processor, it's the 
fact that nothing will work with a CGA screen!
If anyone out there has a VGA screen for a 1520/30 out there they're 
willing to sell...

Yahoo! Message number: 533
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:21:23 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Help 1755 info request

 It is a long narrow tube under the keyboard at the front of the 
motherboard. I haven't taken the battery apart but I would bet the 
package contains 3 or 4 easily available from radio-shack ni-cad 
batteries. Be very carefull about changing the boot option to HD,
it could create later problems when the lousy OConner drive fails,
as it will inevitably do.

Lawrence

> I have a 1755 with the same problem.   Sometimes the set1755 does not
> work.   My 1755 has a weak CMOS battery and will not hold the
> configuration settings if turned off.   After the main battery charges,
> try re-booting on the floppy and change the sequence to boot from hard
> disk.  If it will let you change this, then save and reboot.   This
> works for mine until I power down and then its back to the above.   I
> have taken the laptop apart, but have yet to discover where the CMOS
> battery is located.   Hope this helps. mb
> 
> peter_renaud wrote:
> 
> > I just picked up 3 GRiD 1755 laptops. All work and boot DoS from
> > the floppy but FDISK fails for the hard drive. I can hear the hard
> > drive spin up but FDISK returns an error message. I tried SET1755 but
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Yahoo! Message number: 534
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:26:34 EST
From: atsimonson@...
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Help 1755 info request

I have had a 1755 for many years and it has always recognized the c drive. It 
has been very stable and the hard drive has never crashed on me. I am 
wondering if the f disk is a rather harsh approach to getting the c drive to 
go. Can you get to a c prompt at all? If so you might type dir and look at 
the directories. You could also type edit and look at the autoexec.bat files 
and see if it is set up so it can start up. It should have a smart drive 
command and then take you to windows or some kind of menu program. Hope this 
is helpful. Andy Simonson

Yahoo! Message number: 535
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:04:48 -0000
From: "peter_renaud"
Subject: Re: Help 1755 info request

Thanks for all of the replies. I tried HSECT but the program prints
the "Formatting ...." but did not print the "complete" message even
after 1 hour. I guess now I'll try to find another hard drive to 
try. Funny thing is I picked up these units hoping to get parts to 
fix my first GRiD 1530. 
Cheers.

PS: I looked for the drive parameters but found different values.
The HSECT from Tandy say type 45 but the drive parameters differ 
from the info at the Conner site for the 80Mg drive. I tried both 
but still Hsect failed.




--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., Mike Brashear <phoenix@c...> wrote:
> I have a 1755 with the same problem.   Sometimes the set1755 does 
not 
> work.   My 1755 has a weak CMOS battery and will not hold the 
> configuration settings if turned off.   After the main battery 
charges, 
> try re-booting on the floppy and change the sequence to boot from 
hard 
> disk.  If it will let you change this, then save and reboot.   This 
> works for mine until I power down and then its back to the above.   
I 
> have taken the laptop apart, but have yet to discover where the 
CMOS 
> battery is located.   Hope this helps. mb
> 
> peter_renaud wrote:
> 
> > I just picked up 3 GRiD 1755 laptops. All work and boot DoS from
> > the floppy but FDISK fails for the hard drive. I can hear the hard
> > drive spin up but FDISK returns an error message. I tried SET1755
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Yahoo! Message number: 536
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:46:46 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Need a LCD VGA for 1520

 Actually what you are looking for is a VGA Pod that fits in the battery
slot. If you look inside the slot you will see the 9pin and 15 pin VGA
connectors as well as the battery terminals. I've often wondered if 
one could simply plug into one and simply run VGA, but the VGA 
pod is the same size as the battery or ACpower pod so I imagine 
there is also some logic in there.

lawrence

> Well, the major problem that keeps me from doing much of anything 
> with my 1520 isn't the lack of memory or the slow processor, it's the
> fact that nothing will work with a CGA screen! If anyone out there has a
> VGA screen for a 1520/30 out there they're willing to sell...
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Yahoo! Message number: 537
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:58:59 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Re: Need a LCD VGA for 1520

I honestly don't think it would matter if I had the adapter or not, 
as the screen itself is still only capable of CGA display.
That's the problem.

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@y..., "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker@m...> wrote:
>  Actually what you are looking for is a VGA Pod that fits in the 
battery
> slot. If you look inside the slot you will see the 9pin and 15 pin 
VGA
> connectors as well as the battery terminals. I've often wondered if 
> one could simply plug into one and simply run VGA, but the VGA 
> pod is the same size as the battery or ACpower pod so I imagine 
> there is also some logic in there.
> 
> lawrence
> 
> > Well, the major problem that keeps me from doing much of anything 
> > with my 1520 isn't the lack of memory or the slow processor, it's 
the
> > fact that nothing will work with a CGA screen! If anyone out 
there has a
> > VGA screen for a 1520/30 out there they're willing to sell...
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Yahoo! Message number: 538
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:23:50 -0800 (PST)
From: steve adams
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: 1755 CMOS Battery

The long, skinny battery at the front of the keyboard
is actually the "suspend" battery. The CMOS battery is
integral with the "Dallas" CMOS chip. The only way to
change the battery is to replace the chip! The good
news is, they seem to last almost forever.
FYI: the 80 MB Conner drive seems to be the only drive
that the 1755 will autodetect. By using an overlay (I
used a program called "Snooper"), you can use hard
drives up to about 120MB. The only downside is, you
have to run the overlay every you change settings in
SET1755. 

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Yahoo! Message number: 539
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:17:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: 1755 CMOS Battery

Carefull...

Back in 89 there was no "suspend"  that is actually the CMOS battery.

This would be on systems tat used the 18618 CMOS / RTC chip (provide your
own backup power and clock referance)

--- steve adams <Mobat99@...> wrote:
> The long, skinny battery at the front of the keyboard
> is actually the "suspend" battery. The CMOS battery is
> integral with the "Dallas" CMOS chip. The only way to
> change the battery is to replace the chip! The good
> news is, they seem to last almost forever.

Actually they start to fall out after about 15 years.  This is why we are
seeing this more frequently now.

> FYI: the 80 MB Conner drive seems to be the only drive
> that the 1755 will autodetect. By using an overlay (I
> used a program called "Snooper"), you can use hard
> drives up to about 120MB. The only downside is, you
> have to run the overlay every you change settings in
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Yahoo! Message number: 540
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:20:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Need a LCD VGA for 1520

Larry:

I have some VGA cards for the 1520 but no screens that are udable. (all
dim backlite)  

Is your screen bad?  or just looking to upgrade?


--- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  Actually what you are looking for is a VGA Pod that fits in the
> battery
> slot. If you look inside the slot you will see the 9pin and 15 pin VGA
> connectors as well as the battery terminals. I've often wondered if 
> one could simply plug into one and simply run VGA, but the VGA 
> pod is the same size as the battery or ACpower pod so I imagine 
> there is also some logic in there.
> 
> lawrence
> 
> > Well, the major problem that keeps me from doing much of anything 
> > with my 1520 isn't the lack of memory or the slow processor, it's the
> > fact that nothing will work with a CGA screen! If anyone out there
> has a
> > VGA screen for a 1520/30 out there they're willing to sell...
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 541
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:24:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: Gridcase model 1520

Thanks!  I will forward this to the list

--- Mike & Brenda Gray <megrayjr@...> wrote:
> Hello Charles. My name is Mike. I was doing a little research on this
> model and came across pd.com and it's gridforum. I noticed that you
> have some authourity and experience as well as your own forum. So I
> thought I might be of some help for anyone looking for this model or
> it's parts. I'm selling mine on e-bay
> athttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2077556190.  No
> reserve and starting at $1.00.  I hope I have been of some help to you
> or someone in your forums. Thank you for your time.
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 542
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:30:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!

Pete:

I think the compact flash is PCMCIA and NOT miniture IDE  You may have to
set up a translator board.

--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> I've been trying to get a compact flash card to work with little
> success
> at the moment, as my 1530sx won't boot either.
>  But it appears to be the best solution
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beirnan [mailto:gkbennett@...] 
> Sent: 30 November 2002 08:25
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
>  
> Well, I finally found a way to power these things. The power supply 
> that came with my 1520 had the same weird plug on the back that 
> prevented me from finding a power supply. Luckily, it also came with 
> the cable needed to plug in a source of power. The first one I tried 
> didn't boot correctly, giving the error message "Invalid 
> configuration settings. Factory defaults restored. Press f1 to 
> continue" which sounds like a dead CMOS battery to me.
>   Unfortunately, that 1537 also refused to boot from a floppy, giving 
> me a "non-system disk or disk error replace the disk and press any 
> key" message every time. The second one, which I had disassembled out 
> of sheer curiousity, I put back together and booted it. It refused to 
> see the conner 40 meg hard drive I put in the removable slide-in hard 
> drive tray, but did boot from a floppy.
> 
> Now, since it has no hard drive and I can't fit everything I want on 
> a floppy, I made a boot disk with as many system files as I could fit 
> on it. When I boot it from this disk, the config.sys creates a 1.5 
> meg RAMDisk and the autoexec.bat transfers all the files into said 
> ramdisk, so I can use everything without the need for the floppy. 
> It's been working perfectly, although it's only a temporary solution.
> 
> Does anyone know what kind of HDD this thing will take? The card in 
> the removable tray has the same physical layout as the connectors in 
> the 1520/30, and so only those old Conner hard disks, and certain 
> others, will fit.
> 
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 543
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:01:48 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Need a LCD VGA for 1520

 No, that was a response to "beirnan". Sorry, I'll have to adjust the 
"attribute" in my mailer. I am perfectly happy with my red plasma 
display and if I do need a VGA output I always have my VGA pod,
or other computers that have the capability of doing more demanding 
graphic intensive operations. It is after all a 286 which came out in 
the 80s and has remarkable capabilities for a computer of that era.  
 With my 2MB memory I am delighted that I can use Win 3.1, 
MSWorks and other graphic programs. I have been debating about
installing Quarterdeck's Deskview which was a very capable MSDOS
multitasking environment.

 I tried using the 1meg SIPPS in position 1,3,5,7 of the memory bank 
but the 1520 choked on that and only acknowledged 512k. The full 
bank of 4 1meg and 4 256k SIPPs is recognized as 2 meg.  I guess it
only recognizes 256k. Possibly a BIOS limitation cause 286s were
capable of recognizing 16megs of memory.

Lawrence

> 
> I have some VGA cards for the 1520 but no screens that are udable. (all
> dim backlite)  
> 
> Is your screen bad?  or just looking to upgrade?
> 
> 
> --- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
> >  Actually what you are looking for is a VGA Pod that fits in the
> > battery
> > slot. If you look inside the slot you will see the 9pin and 15 pin VGA
> > connectors as well as the battery terminals. I've often wondered if
> > one could simply plug into one and simply run VGA, but the VGA pod is
> > the same size as the battery or ACpower pod so I imagine there is also
> > some logic in there.
> > 
> > lawrence
> > 
> > > Well, the major problem that keeps me from doing much of anything
> > > with my 1520 isn't the lack of memory or the slow processor, it's
> > > the fact that nothing will work with a CGA screen! If anyone out
> > > there
> > has a
> > > VGA screen for a 1520/30 out there they're willing to sell...
> > > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 544
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:38:45 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Charles:
 
How can I tell the difference?
The current part is a Memorex 128Mb type 1 compact flash memory card.
Using an adapter card to plug into an IDE cable.
Help!
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...] 
Sent: 05 December 2002 05:30
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
 
Pete:

I think the compact flash is PCMCIA and NOT miniture IDE  You may have
to
set up a translator board.

--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> I've been trying to get a compact flash card to work with little
> success
> at the moment, as my 1530sx won't boot either.
>  But it appears to be the best solution
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beirnan [mailto:gkbennett@...] 
> Sent: 30 November 2002 08:25
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
>  
> Well, I finally found a way to power these things. The power supply 
> that came with my 1520 had the same weird plug on the back that 
> prevented me from finding a power supply. Luckily, it also came with 
> the cable needed to plug in a source of power. The first one I tried 
> didn't boot correctly, giving the error message "Invalid 
> configuration settings. Factory defaults restored. Press f1 to 
> continue" which sounds like a dead CMOS battery to me.
>   Unfortunately, that 1537 also refused to boot from a floppy, giving 
> me a "non-system disk or disk error replace the disk and press any 
> key" message every time. The second one, which I had disassembled out 
> of sheer curiousity, I put back together and booted it. It refused to 
> see the conner 40 meg hard drive I put in the removable slide-in hard 
> drive tray, but did boot from a floppy.
> 
> Now, since it has no hard drive and I can't fit everything I want on 
> a floppy, I made a boot disk with as many system files as I could fit 
> on it. When I boot it from this disk, the config.sys creates a 1.5 
> meg RAMDisk and the autoexec.bat transfers all the files into said 
> ramdisk, so I can use everything without the need for the floppy. 
> It's been working perfectly, although it's only a temporary solution.
> 
> Does anyone know what kind of HDD this thing will take? The card in 
> the removable tray has the same physical layout as the connectors in 
> the 1520/30, and so only those old Conner hard disks, and certain 
> others, will fit.
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 545
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:14:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!

Shoot I'll just take me a walk over to the engeneerin lab monday and get
some learnin for ya.

That's Texas for 'Engeneering'


--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> Charles:
>  
> How can I tell the difference?
> The current part is a Memorex 128Mb type 1 compact flash memory card.
> Using an adapter card to plug into an IDE cable.
> Help!
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...] 
> Sent: 05 December 2002 05:30
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
>  
> Pete:
> 
> I think the compact flash is PCMCIA and NOT miniture IDE  You may have
> to
> set up a translator board.
> 
> --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> > I've been trying to get a compact flash card to work with little
> > success
> > at the moment, as my 1530sx won't boot either.
> >  But it appears to be the best solution
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: beirnan [mailto:gkbennett@...] 
> > Sent: 30 November 2002 08:25
> > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
> >  
> > Well, I finally found a way to power these things. The power supply 
> > that came with my 1520 had the same weird plug on the back that 
> > prevented me from finding a power supply. Luckily, it also came with 
> > the cable needed to plug in a source of power. The first one I tried 
> > didn't boot correctly, giving the error message "Invalid 
> > configuration settings. Factory defaults restored. Press f1 to 
> > continue" which sounds like a dead CMOS battery to me.
> >   Unfortunately, that 1537 also refused to boot from a floppy, giving
> 
> > me a "non-system disk or disk error replace the disk and press any 
> > key" message every time. The second one, which I had disassembled out
> 
> > of sheer curiousity, I put back together and booted it. It refused to
> 
> > see the conner 40 meg hard drive I put in the removable slide-in hard
> 
> > drive tray, but did boot from a floppy.
> > 
> > Now, since it has no hard drive and I can't fit everything I want on 
> > a floppy, I made a boot disk with as many system files as I could fit
> 
> > on it. When I boot it from this disk, the config.sys creates a 1.5 
> > meg RAMDisk and the autoexec.bat transfers all the files into said 
> > ramdisk, so I can use everything without the need for the floppy. 
> > It's been working perfectly, although it's only a temporary solution.
> > 
> > Does anyone know what kind of HDD this thing will take? The card in 
> > the removable tray has the same physical layout as the connectors in 
> > the 1520/30, and so only those old Conner hard disks, and certain 
> > others, will fit.
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 546
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:35:58 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Doh thought it was spelt with an j as enjineering ;-)
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...] 
Sent: 08 December 2002 04:15
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
 
Shoot I'll just take me a walk over to the engeneerin lab monday and get
some learnin for ya.

That's Texas for 'Engeneering'


--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> Charles:
>  
> How can I tell the difference?
> The current part is a Memorex 128Mb type 1 compact flash memory card.
> Using an adapter card to plug into an IDE cable.
> Help!
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...] 
> Sent: 05 December 2002 05:30
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
>  
> Pete:
> 
> I think the compact flash is PCMCIA and NOT miniture IDE  You may have
> to
> set up a translator board.
> 
> --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> > I've been trying to get a compact flash card to work with little
> > success
> > at the moment, as my 1530sx won't boot either.
> >  But it appears to be the best solution
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: beirnan [mailto:gkbennett@...] 
> > Sent: 30 November 2002 08:25
> > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
> >  
> > Well, I finally found a way to power these things. The power supply 
> > that came with my 1520 had the same weird plug on the back that 
> > prevented me from finding a power supply. Luckily, it also came with

> > the cable needed to plug in a source of power. The first one I tried

> > didn't boot correctly, giving the error message "Invalid 
> > configuration settings. Factory defaults restored. Press f1 to 
> > continue" which sounds like a dead CMOS battery to me.
> >   Unfortunately, that 1537 also refused to boot from a floppy,
giving
> 
> > me a "non-system disk or disk error replace the disk and press any 
> > key" message every time. The second one, which I had disassembled
out
> 
> > of sheer curiousity, I put back together and booted it. It refused
to
> 
> > see the conner 40 meg hard drive I put in the removable slide-in
hard
> 
> > drive tray, but did boot from a floppy.
> > 
> > Now, since it has no hard drive and I can't fit everything I want on

> > a floppy, I made a boot disk with as many system files as I could
fit
> 
> > on it. When I boot it from this disk, the config.sys creates a 1.5 
> > meg RAMDisk and the autoexec.bat transfers all the files into said 
> > ramdisk, so I can use everything without the need for the floppy. 
> > It's been working perfectly, although it's only a temporary
solution.
> > 
> > Does anyone know what kind of HDD this thing will take? The card in 
> > the removable tray has the same physical layout as the connectors in

> > the 1520/30, and so only those old Conner hard disks, and certain 
> > others, will fit.
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 547
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:41:02 -0000
From: "peter_renaud "
Subject: Grid 1755 almost working

I picked up 3 GRiD 1755s hoping to find some parts for a 1530.
The 1755s did not boot from the hard  disk and hsect/fdisk were 
useless. Taking apart one the units must have jarred the disk because 
it booted after being reassembled. So, I got my rubber mallet out and 
fixed the other two. 
Now the remaining problems:
Units 1 and 2 boot from the hard disk but the LED status panel for 
the disc/caploc/numloc.. does not light up or is intermittent. I 
thought it was a bad wire or solder joint but everything looks ok.
Unit 3's led status panel is ok but it fails to boot with the 
message "boot sector not found". Running fdisk finds the disk but I 
don't want to erase the OS.

Any suggestions or should I just be content with 2 out 3?

Yahoo! Message number: 548
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:44:56 -0000
From: "peter_renaud "
Subject: 1530 now working

Thanks to all who responded with advice for my broken 1530.
I posted a hard drive request on my local bulletin board and found 
another suitable drive. Not only did the 1530 recognize the drive but 
it also booted with a menu based OS. (Arrow key driven but then I 
guess you can't be picky with the screen type).

Now I was wondering if I should try to install Linux or GEM.
Any suggestions?

Cheers.

Yahoo! Message number: 549
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:15:04 -0000
From: "beirnan "
Subject: help w/ 2270

Well, The 2270 I bought off ebay just arrived.
The seller said it no longer powered up, but, after some testing, I 
learned that the AC adaptor was dead.
I found a suitable adaptor, and, after charging the battery, tried to 
turn it on.
The lights come on, and the hard drive spins up (usually), but 
nothing else happens. I hooked it up to my monitor think maybe the 
backlight was dead, but nothing happened.
During one failed attempt to boot it the backlight did come on, and 
several bright lines appeared across the screen, but it didn't do 
anything else.
Any ideas?
And if anyone has a manual for this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Yahoo! Message number: 550
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:02:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!

Hay now...  Yall cut me a break..  I'm lisdyxic.

--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> Doh thought it was spelt with an j as enjineering ;-)
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...] 
> Sent: 08 December 2002 04:15
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
>  
> Shoot I'll just take me a walk over to the engeneerin lab monday and
> get
> some learnin for ya.
> 
> That's Texas for 'Engeneering'
> 
> 
> --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> > Charles:
> >  
> > How can I tell the difference?
> > The current part is a Memorex 128Mb type 1 compact flash memory card.
> > Using an adapter card to plug into an IDE cable.
> > Help!
> >  
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...] 
> > Sent: 05 December 2002 05:30
> > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
> >  
> > Pete:
> > 
> > I think the compact flash is PCMCIA and NOT miniture IDE  You may
> have
> > to
> > set up a translator board.
> > 
> > --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> > > I've been trying to get a compact flash card to work with little
> > > success
> > > at the moment, as my 1530sx won't boot either.
> > >  But it appears to be the best solution
> > >  
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: beirnan [mailto:gkbennett@...] 
> > > Sent: 30 November 2002 08:25
> > > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I got my 1537 TEMPEST working!
> > >  
> > > Well, I finally found a way to power these things. The power supply
> 
> > > that came with my 1520 had the same weird plug on the back that 
> > > prevented me from finding a power supply. Luckily, it also came
> with
> 
> > > the cable needed to plug in a source of power. The first one I
> tried
> 
> > > didn't boot correctly, giving the error message "Invalid 
> > > configuration settings. Factory defaults restored. Press f1 to 
> > > continue" which sounds like a dead CMOS battery to me.
> > >   Unfortunately, that 1537 also refused to boot from a floppy,
> giving
> > 
> > > me a "non-system disk or disk error replace the disk and press any 
> > > key" message every time. The second one, which I had disassembled
> out
> > 
> > > of sheer curiousity, I put back together and booted it. It refused
> to
> > 
> > > see the conner 40 meg hard drive I put in the removable slide-in
> hard
> > 
> > > drive tray, but did boot from a floppy.
> > > 
> > > Now, since it has no hard drive and I can't fit everything I want
> on
> 
> > > a floppy, I made a boot disk with as many system files as I could
> fit
> > 
> > > on it. When I boot it from this disk, the config.sys creates a 1.5 
> > > meg RAMDisk and the autoexec.bat transfers all the files into said 
> > > ramdisk, so I can use everything without the need for the floppy. 
> > > It's been working perfectly, although it's only a temporary
> solution.
> > > 
> > > Does anyone know what kind of HDD this thing will take? The card in
> 
> > > the removable tray has the same physical layout as the connectors
> in
> 
> > > the 1520/30, and so only those old Conner hard disks, and certain 
> > > others, will fit.
> > > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 551
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:04:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1530 now working

I have had LINUX 2.2 kernel running with xfree86 an old version

It was a bit slow  but it worked

--- "peter_renaud <prenaud@...>" <prenaud@...>
wrote:
> Thanks to all who responded with advice for my broken 1530.
> I posted a hard drive request on my local bulletin board and found 
> another suitable drive. Not only did the 1530 recognize the drive but 
> it also booted with a menu based OS. (Arrow key driven but then I 
> guess you can't be picky with the screen type).
> 
> Now I was wondering if I should try to install Linux or GEM.
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Cheers.
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Yahoo! Message number: 552
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:10:38 -0000
From: "trance_appeal "
Subject: Wanted Floppy for 1550sx ?

Hi all,

The floppy drive on my 1550sx has failed (seeks but does not spin), Anyone 
know a fix for it .. I think its dead beyond easy repair so i'm intersted if anyone 
has one they would not mind parting with

thanks in advance 

Mike

Yahoo! Message number: 553
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:33:40 -0000
From: "afecu "
Subject: Re: 1755 CMOS Battery

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford 
<cjford1@y...> wrote:
> Carefull...
> 
> Back in 89 there was no "suspend"  that is 
actually the CMOS battery.


Sorry, Steve is right and that skinny battery pack 
*is* the resume battery.  Take a look at 
http://support.tandy.com/support_computer/doc1/1515
.htm (you may have to paste that URL back together) 
which is for the Tandy 3820 HD, which is the same 
inside as the GRiD 1755.

--Aron Eisenpress

Yahoo! Message number: 554
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:44:36 -0000
From: "afecu "
Subject: Re: Grid 1755 almost working

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "peter_renaud 
<prenaud@s...>" <prenaud@s...> wrote:
> Units 1 and 2 boot from the hard disk but the LED 
status panel for 
> the disc/caploc/numloc.. does not light up or is 
intermittent. I 
> thought it was a bad wire or solder joint but 
everything looks ok.

I've seen this problem, and it's probably a failed 
surface-mount inductor that feeds the +5v (I think 
it is) for the whole status panel.  I can check 
which location it is but it'll take me a few days 
to dig out the info and you may be able to trace 
the circuitry faster yourself.

> Unit 3's led status panel is ok but it fails to 
boot with the 
> message "boot sector not found". Running fdisk 
finds the disk but I 
> don't want to erase the OS.

You may not have an OS to erase at this point, and 
the 1755 will run pretty much any DOS you have 
around.  Can you seen anything on the C: partition 
when you boot from a diskette?

Yahoo! Message number: 555
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:48:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Games for my 1520

All,
I have a 1520 and I was wondering if anyone can
suggest games to run on the 1520.  I have a 5 year old
and the GRiD should be able to stand up the abuse of a
5 year old. ;-)

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Yahoo! Message number: 556
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:57:48 -0600
From: Mike Brashear
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] help w/ 2270

I bought a 2270 on ebay that did power up, but did not recognize the 
floppy.   After charging for hours, I did finally get it to recognize 
the setup program of which I changed to boot from floppy.  After booting 
from the floppy I changed the CMOS date and did a soft boot to which it 
finally recognized the floppy drive.   I finally realized that it had a 
weak CMOS battery.  Radio Shack sells a 3.6v lithium battery, however it 
does not have any leads to solder to,  so I used a phone 3.6v battery 
from Best Buy.  Charged it up on my cordless phone first and then 
soldered it in place using the modem location.   You can fit the small 
3.6v lithium phone battery in the middle if it is the slim battery pack. 
 After that my 2270 worked great.  I'm not sure what all the CMOS 
controls, all I know is when the CMOS battery is weak, you can have any 
no. of problems with these guys.   Hope this helps. mb

beirnan wrote:

> Well, The 2270 I bought off ebay just arrived.
> The seller said it no longer powered up, but, after some testing, I
> learned that the AC adaptor was dead.
> I found a suitable adaptor, and, after charging the battery, tried to
> turn it on.
> The lights come on, and the hard drive spins up (usually), but
> nothing else happens. I hooked it up to my monitor think maybe the
> backlight was dead, but nothing happened.
> During one failed attempt to boot it the backlight did come on, and
> several bright lines appeared across the screen, but it didn't do
> anything else.
> Any ideas?
> And if anyone has a manual for this, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 557
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:20:52 -0000
From: "beirnan "
Subject: Re: Games for my 1520

I, too, have been searching for another source of mindless 
entertainment when I'm on the road with my 1520 -unfortunately the 
CGA screen is rather limiting.
There are several good sites out there with educational (and some... 
not so) games out there that will work on a 286, as for real games 
all I've found is a pac-man clone, and two sidescrolling adventure 
games...
There must be more but I haven't found anything.

If you really want some games, I suggest you make them yourself.
QBasic comes with DOS, is pretty easy to learn, and hey, it doesn't 
always take much to impress a 5 year old.

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> All,
> I have a 1520 and I was wondering if anyone can
> suggest games to run on the 1520.  I have a 5 year old
> and the GRiD should be able to stand up the abuse of a
> 5 year old. ;-)
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Yahoo! Message number: 558
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:00:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: 1755 CMOS Battery

My bad. I was thinking 1520 / 1530

--- "afecu <afecu@...>" <afecu@...> wrote:
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford 
> <cjford1@y...> wrote:
> > Carefull...
> > 
> > Back in 89 there was no "suspend"  that is 
> actually the CMOS battery.
> 
> 
> Sorry, Steve is right and that skinny battery pack 
> *is* the resume battery.  Take a look at 
> http://support.tandy.com/support_computer/doc1/1515
> .htm (you may have to paste that URL back together) 
> which is for the Tandy 3820 HD, which is the same 
> inside as the GRiD 1755.
> 
> --Aron Eisenpress
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 559
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:03:17 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Games for my 1520

 The 1520 display is only limited if you've been conditioned to expect 
the gee-whiz graphics of Dr. Doom and the other graphic intensive 
games of the newer video machines. My 1520 with 2megs of memory
has no problems with the graphics of Win 3.1. There are a multitude 
of games out there available, that will run fine on it's display. I just
downloaded a great collection of Basic games that were geared to an
even earlier technology. I suspect the limitations are yours not the 
1520. Try Googling.

 You have mentioned this before. And I must question how much 
experience you've actually had with older video displays. The video
adapter certainly is more capable than the original VGA display that 
came out with the IBM 8580.

 Could you detail the problems you have, so that we might comment 
on them. You can't expect a computer of that era to be able to do
Playstation games. Be realistic. Check out Simtel. For a graphic
program see if NeoPaint will work. I have both CGA and EGA 
monitors and the 1520 display certainly surpasses any of them. 
Should I really get picky I can also attach a VGA monitor, using
the VGA pod. Of course when it came out most users didn't buy it
for CAD or graphic-intensive games. It was a serious computer  
geared to the military and corporate users.

 What is it that you are really trying to say ?

Lawrence

On 11 Dec 2002, , beirnan gkbennett@... wrote:

> I, too, have been searching for another source of mindless 
> entertainment when I'm on the road with my 1520 -unfortunately the CGA
> screen is rather limiting. There are several good sites out there with
> educational (and some... not so) games out there that will work on a
> 286, as for real games all I've found is a pac-man clone, and two
> sidescrolling adventure games... There must be more but I haven't found
> anything.
> 
> If you really want some games, I suggest you make them yourself.
> QBasic comes with DOS, is pretty easy to learn, and hey, it doesn't
> always take much to impress a 5 year old.
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote: >
> All, > I have a 1520 and I was wondering if anyone can > suggest games
> to run on the 1520.  I have a 5 year old > and the GRiD should be able
> to stand up the abuse of a > 5 year old. ;-) > >
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Yahoo! Message number: 560
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:08:52 -0500
From: Peter Renaud
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Grid 1755 almost working
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Thanks for the info. I'll try to trace back the voltage supply of the LEDs.

Cheers.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: afecu <afecu@...> [mailto:afecu@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:45 PM
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Grid 1755 almost working

 

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "peter_renaud 
<prenaud@s...>" <prenaud@s...> wrote:
> Units 1 and 2 boot from the hard disk but the LED 
status panel for 
> the disc/caploc/numloc.. does not light up or is 
intermittent. I 
> thought it was a bad wire or solder joint but 
everything looks ok.

I've seen this problem, and it's probably a failed 
surface-mount inductor that feeds the +5v (I think 
it is) for the whole status panel.  I can check 
which location it is but it'll take me a few days 
to dig out the info and you may be able to trace 
the circuitry faster yourself.

> Unit 3's led status panel is ok but it fails to 
boot with the 
> message "boot sector not found". Running fdisk 
finds the disk but I 
> don't want to erase the OS.

You may not have an OS to erase at this point, and 
the 1755 will run pretty much any DOS you have 
around.  Can you seen anything on the C: partition 
when you boot from a diskette?


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Yahoo! Message number: 561
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:29:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Games for my 1520

I am thinking I still have the old collection from "Back in the day"  
I know that some of them are licenced gameware but I am sure that we
could dredge up some old shareware that is approprate for a K-

--- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  The 1520 display is only limited if you've been conditioned to expect 
> the gee-whiz graphics of Dr. Doom and the other graphic intensive 
> games of the newer video machines. My 1520 with 2megs of memory
> has no problems with the graphics of Win 3.1. There are a multitude 
> of games out there available, that will run fine on it's display. I
> just
> downloaded a great collection of Basic games that were geared to an
> even earlier technology. I suspect the limitations are yours not the 
> 1520. Try Googling.
> 
>  You have mentioned this before. And I must question how much 
> experience you've actually had with older video displays. The video
> adapter certainly is more capable than the original VGA display that 
> came out with the IBM 8580.
> 
>  Could you detail the problems you have, so that we might comment 
> on them. You can't expect a computer of that era to be able to do
> Playstation games. Be realistic. Check out Simtel. For a graphic
> program see if NeoPaint will work. I have both CGA and EGA 
> monitors and the 1520 display certainly surpasses any of them. 
> Should I really get picky I can also attach a VGA monitor, using
> the VGA pod. Of course when it came out most users didn't buy it
> for CAD or graphic-intensive games. It was a serious computer  
> geared to the military and corporate users.
> 
>  What is it that you are really trying to say ?
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> On 11 Dec 2002, , beirnan gkbennett@... wrote:
> 
> > I, too, have been searching for another source of mindless 
> > entertainment when I'm on the road with my 1520 -unfortunately the
> CGA
> > screen is rather limiting. There are several good sites out there
> with
> > educational (and some... not so) games out there that will work on a
> > 286, as for real games all I've found is a pac-man clone, and two
> > sidescrolling adventure games... There must be more but I haven't
> found
> > anything.
> > 
> > If you really want some games, I suggest you make them yourself.
> > QBasic comes with DOS, is pretty easy to learn, and hey, it doesn't
> > always take much to impress a 5 year old.
> > 
> > --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> >
> > All, > I have a 1520 and I was wondering if anyone can > suggest
> games
> > to run on the 1520.  I have a 5 year old > and the GRiD should be
> able
> > to stand up the abuse of a > 5 year old. ;-) > >
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Yahoo! Message number: 562
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:43:27 -0000
From: "afecu "
Subject: Re: Grid 1755 almost working

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Peter Renaud 
<prenaud@s...> wrote:
> Thanks for the info. I'll try to trace back the 
voltage supply of the LEDs.
> 
> Cheers.


Peter,

I was able to dig out the service manual, and the 
component I suspect is actually a ferrite bead (not 
an inductor), FB109, located on the bottom of the 
system board not far from the connector CN18 that 
the LED board cable plugs into.  You can just short 
it out; I think its purpose is to isolate 
mini-power surges (these boards use a lot of these 
little ferrite beads).

There doesn't seem to be a way to provide an 
external CMOS battery source, by the way; the only 
thing to do would be to replace the DS1287 RTC chip 
(probably with a DS12887), but the desoldering 
isn't easy.  Maybe clip the leads to the old chip 
and solder to them?

--Aron

Yahoo! Message number: 563
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:22:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: EL backlite panels.

Does anybody know where I can find EL backlite panels sutable for a 10
inch LCD display.

My GRiD seems to cook them prety regularraly after a couple months of
use.  I think the inverter voltage is too high but I do not have any of
the engineering spec.  

Someone who has proper sizes (8 1/2 X 6 1/2) or cutable EL sheet or even
a process for 'do it yourself'   


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Yahoo! Message number: 564
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:27:22 -0000
From: "Discotronic1 "
Subject: GRiD 1520 hard drive not recognized

Hello everyone, 
   I hope someone can be of help here. I have a GRiD 1520 and it 
doesn't recognize the hard drive. It is the original (as far as I 
know) 20MB Conner. Here is what I have done:

1. I tried the setup programs. Didn't work. 
2. I pulled the hard drive and put it in another laptop. It works 
just fine. 
3. I put another hard drive in to see if it would take. It didn't. 

   
  The setup programs doesn't seem to work anyway. I don't think the 
CMOS battery is working. I also get an error message upon boot up. It 
says "invalid configuration information; code 2" Any ideas on what 
this means? 
  I was thinking the problem could be the hard drive controller but I 
am not sure where it is exactly. The hard drive does power up and you 
can here it spin.

Also, it has a blue screen. Is this common with this model GRiD. I 
actually bought it to resell but I have deceided I am going to hang 
on to it. I am going back to school soon and I figure I can get some 
use out of it.   

Any help would be great. Thanks for your time.

Michael

Yahoo! Message number: 565
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:15:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GRiD 1520 hard drive not recognized

Oh...

Make sure the jumpers are set 
If it is a CP3024
Short C/D and ACT  

FYI You cannot set the hard drive type it is automatic and limited to 4
conner models.  CP344 CP3024 CP3044 CP3104  The BIOS actually reads the
model number data in the drive ID table.


--- "Discotronic1 <mjsanson1@...>" <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
> Hello everyone, 
>    I hope someone can be of help here. I have a GRiD 1520 and it 
> doesn't recognize the hard drive. It is the original (as far as I 
> know) 20MB Conner. Here is what I have done:
> 
> 1. I tried the setup programs. Didn't work. 
> 2. I pulled the hard drive and put it in another laptop. It works 
> just fine. 
> 3. I put another hard drive in to see if it would take. It didn't. 
> 
>    
>   The setup programs doesn't seem to work anyway. I don't think the 
> CMOS battery is working. I also get an error message upon boot up. It 
> says "invalid configuration information; code 2" Any ideas on what 
> this means? 
>   I was thinking the problem could be the hard drive controller but I 
> am not sure where it is exactly. The hard drive does power up and you 
> can here it spin.
> 
> Also, it has a blue screen. Is this common with this model GRiD. I 
> actually bought it to resell but I have deceided I am going to hang 
> on to it. I am going back to school soon and I figure I can get some 
> use out of it.   
> 
> Any help would be great. Thanks for your time.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 566
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:05:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Sanson
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GRiD 1520 hard drive not recognized

I looked at the jumper settings and they are set
correctly. It is the CP3024 model. Still doing the
same thing. Any other options?
--- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
> Oh...
> 
> Make sure the jumpers are set 
> If it is a CP3024
> Short C/D and ACT  
> 
> FYI You cannot set the hard drive type it is
> automatic and limited to 4
> conner models.  CP344 CP3024 CP3044 CP3104  The BIOS
> actually reads the
> model number data in the drive ID table.
> 
> 
> --- "Discotronic1 <mjsanson1@...>"
> <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
> > Hello everyone, 
> >    I hope someone can be of help here. I have a
> GRiD 1520 and it 
> > doesn't recognize the hard drive. It is the
> original (as far as I 
> > know) 20MB Conner. Here is what I have done:
> > 
> > 1. I tried the setup programs. Didn't work. 
> > 2. I pulled the hard drive and put it in another
> laptop. It works 
> > just fine. 
> > 3. I put another hard drive in to see if it would
> take. It didn't. 
> > 
> >    
> >   The setup programs doesn't seem to work anyway.
> I don't think the 
> > CMOS battery is working. I also get an error
> message upon boot up. It 
> > says "invalid configuration information; code 2"
> Any ideas on what 
> > this means? 
> >   I was thinking the problem could be the hard
> drive controller but I 
> > am not sure where it is exactly. The hard drive
> does power up and you 
> > can here it spin.
> > 
> > Also, it has a blue screen. Is this common with
> this model GRiD. I 
> > actually bought it to resell but I have deceided I
> am going to hang 
> > on to it. I am going back to school soon and I
> figure I can get some 
> > use out of it.   
> > 
> > Any help would be great. Thanks for your time.
> > 
> > Michael
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> Charles Ford
> KC5-OWZ
> cjford1@...
> cjford1@...
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Yahoo! Message number: 567
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 05:31:06 -0000
From: "trance_appeal "
Subject: WTB : GridCase series

Sorry if you consider this spam.

I am looking for any of the following 

GRiD GRiDCase 1550sx
GRiD GRiDCase 1520 
GRiD GRiDCase 1530
GRiD GRiDCase 
GRiD GRiDCase2 
GRiD GRiDCase3  
GRiD Compass 1101 

if you are intersted in parting with on of thease please contact me. I will pay a 
fair price and consider reasonable prices. I am a private collector based in 
Australia and I have no intention to resell thease items.

Thanks in advance.

Mike.

Yahoo! Message number: 568
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:39:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] WTB : GridCase series

Actually I don't think anybody minds dealing GRiD Laptops on this list. 
If however, you where trying to sell viagra...


--- "trance_appeal <mturnerc@...>" <mturnerc@...>
wrote:
> Sorry if you consider this spam.
> 
> I am looking for any of the following 
> 
> GRiD GRiDCase 1550sx
> GRiD GRiDCase 1520 
> GRiD GRiDCase 1530
> GRiD GRiDCase 
> GRiD GRiDCase2 
> GRiD GRiDCase3  
> GRiD Compass 1101 
> 
> if you are intersted in parting with on of thease please contact me. I
> will pay a 
> fair price and consider reasonable prices. I am a private collector
> based in 
> Australia and I have no intention to resell thease items.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Mike.
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 569
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:41:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GRiD 1520 hard drive not recognized

There must be a problem with the interface...   sorry

Let me check my junkpile  

Do you have a floppy also?

--- Michael Sanson <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
> I looked at the jumper settings and they are set
> correctly. It is the CP3024 model. Still doing the
> same thing. Any other options?
> --- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
> > Oh...
> > 
> > Make sure the jumpers are set 
> > If it is a CP3024
> > Short C/D and ACT  
> > 
> > FYI You cannot set the hard drive type it is
> > automatic and limited to 4
> > conner models.  CP344 CP3024 CP3044 CP3104  The BIOS
> > actually reads the
> > model number data in the drive ID table.
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Discotronic1 <mjsanson1@...>"
> > <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
> > > Hello everyone, 
> > >    I hope someone can be of help here. I have a
> > GRiD 1520 and it 
> > > doesn't recognize the hard drive. It is the
> > original (as far as I 
> > > know) 20MB Conner. Here is what I have done:
> > > 
> > > 1. I tried the setup programs. Didn't work. 
> > > 2. I pulled the hard drive and put it in another
> > laptop. It works 
> > > just fine. 
> > > 3. I put another hard drive in to see if it would
> > take. It didn't. 
> > > 
> > >    
> > >   The setup programs doesn't seem to work anyway.
> > I don't think the 
> > > CMOS battery is working. I also get an error
> > message upon boot up. It 
> > > says "invalid configuration information; code 2"
> > Any ideas on what 
> > > this means? 
> > >   I was thinking the problem could be the hard
> > drive controller but I 
> > > am not sure where it is exactly. The hard drive
> > does power up and you 
> > > can here it spin.
> > > 
> > > Also, it has a blue screen. Is this common with
> > this model GRiD. I 
> > > actually bought it to resell but I have deceided I
> > am going to hang 
> > > on to it. I am going back to school soon and I
> > figure I can get some 
> > > use out of it.   
> > > 
> > > Any help would be great. Thanks for your time.
> > > 
> > > Michael
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
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Yahoo! Message number: 570
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:25:38 +1100
From: Michael Turner-Craig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Digest Number 200

Ahh .. well.. its funny that you mention Viagra.......... l;-)

On a more serious note  has anyone been able to hack a more modern  
laptop into on the the 'classic' grid shells. Even though I appreciate  
the early systems I would love to figure out some way to get a more  
modern system into the Magnesium case of a 1520 or so. I more or less  
figured out how to modify my now very deceased 1550sx with a IBM  
Thinkpad 750c (still only a 486). But the limit I ran into was the need  
of a custom IC to translate the GRiD Keyboard (which I love and I want  
to keep at all costs) to PS2 or IBM's Laptop keyboard interface. Anyone  
been able to get similar ideas up and running ?

Just a thought

Mike


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> Subject: Re: WTB : GridCase series
>
> Actually I don't think anybody minds dealing GRiD Laptops on this list.
> If however, you where trying to sell viagra...
>
>
> --- "trance_appeal <mturnerc@...>" <mturnerc@...>
> wrote:
>> Sorry if you consider this spam.
>>
>> I am looking for any of the following
>>
>> GRiD GRiDCase 1550sx
>> GRiD GRiDCase 1520
>> GRiD GRiDCase 1530
>> GRiD GRiDCase
>> GRiD GRiDCase2
>> GRiD GRiDCase3
>> GRiD Compass 1101
>>
>> if you are intersted in parting with on of thease please contact me. I
>> will pay a
>> fair price and consider reasonable prices. I am a private collector
>> based in
>> Australia and I have no intention to resell thease items.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Mike.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>    Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:41:49 -0800 (PST)
>    From: Charles Ford <cjford1@...>
> Subject: Re: GRiD 1520 hard drive not recognized
>
> There must be a problem with the interface...   sorry
>
> Let me check my junkpile
>
> Do you have a floppy also?
>
> --- Michael Sanson <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
>> I looked at the jumper settings and they are set
>> correctly. It is the CP3024 model. Still doing the
>> same thing. Any other options?
>> --- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
>>> Oh...
>>>
>>> Make sure the jumpers are set
>>> If it is a CP3024
>>> Short C/D and ACT
>>>
>>> FYI You cannot set the hard drive type it is
>>> automatic and limited to 4
>>> conner models.  CP344 CP3024 CP3044 CP3104  The BIOS
>>> actually reads the
>>> model number data in the drive ID table.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- "Discotronic1 <mjsanson1@...>"
>>> <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>    I hope someone can be of help here. I have a
>>> GRiD 1520 and it
>>>> doesn't recognize the hard drive. It is the
>>> original (as far as I
>>>> know) 20MB Conner. Here is what I have done:
>>>>
>>>> 1. I tried the setup programs. Didn't work.
>>>> 2. I pulled the hard drive and put it in another
>>> laptop. It works
>>>> just fine.
>>>> 3. I put another hard drive in to see if it would
>>> take. It didn't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   The setup programs doesn't seem to work anyway.
>>> I don't think the
>>>> CMOS battery is working. I also get an error
>>> message upon boot up. It
>>>> says "invalid configuration information; code 2"
>>> Any ideas on what
>>>> this means?
>>>>   I was thinking the problem could be the hard
>>> drive controller but I
>>>> am not sure where it is exactly. The hard drive
>>> does power up and you
>>>> can here it spin.
>>>>
>>>> Also, it has a blue screen. Is this common with
>>> this model GRiD. I
>>>> actually bought it to resell but I have deceided I
>>> am going to hang
>>>> on to it. I am going back to school soon and I
>>> figure I can get some
>>>> use out of it.
>>>>
>>>> Any help would be great. Thanks for your time.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =====
>>> Charles Ford
>>> KC5-OWZ
>>> cjford1@...
>>> cjford1@...
>>>
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Yahoo! Message number: 571
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:52:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Digest Number 200

What?  and waste a perfectly good GRiD :-)

I have looked into this some.  Best I could figure is to design one from
the ground up.  GRiD UK does have some high performance tempest hardened
systems.  (bring your checkbook) 

Beyond that I have found it hard to locate any motherboards that do not
require wquipment that is unexceptable. e.g.  Unusual hard to find
memory, or unstable chipsets, or incorrect LCD size (10 inches is rather
rare. In the common are  8", 12", 14", 15"...  

--- Michael Turner-Craig <mturnerc@...> wrote:
> Ahh .. well.. its funny that you mention Viagra.......... l;-)
> 
> On a more serious note  has anyone been able to hack a more modern  
> laptop into on the the 'classic' grid shells. Even though I appreciate 
> 
> the early systems I would love to figure out some way to get a more  
> modern system into the Magnesium case of a 1520 or so. I more or less  
> figured out how to modify my now very deceased 1550sx with a IBM  
> Thinkpad 750c (still only a 486). But the limit I ran into was the need
>  
> of a custom IC to translate the GRiD Keyboard (which I love and I want 
> 
> to keep at all costs) to PS2 or IBM's Laptop keyboard interface. Anyone
>  
> been able to get similar ideas up and running ?
> 
> Just a thought
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 08:14 PM,  
> RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> >       1. Re: WTB : GridCase series
> >            From: Charles Ford <cjford1@...>
> >       2. Re: GRiD 1520 hard drive not recognized
> >            From: Charles Ford <cjford1@...>
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 1
> >    Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:39:52 -0800 (PST)
> >    From: Charles Ford <cjford1@...>
> > Subject: Re: WTB : GridCase series
> >
> > Actually I don't think anybody minds dealing GRiD Laptops on this
> list.
> > If however, you where trying to sell viagra...
> >
> >
> > --- "trance_appeal <mturnerc@...>"
> <mturnerc@...>
> > wrote:
> >> Sorry if you consider this spam.
> >>
> >> I am looking for any of the following
> >>
> >> GRiD GRiDCase 1550sx
> >> GRiD GRiDCase 1520
> >> GRiD GRiDCase 1530
> >> GRiD GRiDCase
> >> GRiD GRiDCase2
> >> GRiD GRiDCase3
> >> GRiD Compass 1101
> >>
> >> if you are intersted in parting with on of thease please contact me.
> I
> >> will pay a
> >> fair price and consider reasonable prices. I am a private collector
> >> based in
> >> Australia and I have no intention to resell thease items.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >> Mike.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > =====
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> >    Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:41:49 -0800 (PST)
> >    From: Charles Ford <cjford1@...>
> > Subject: Re: GRiD 1520 hard drive not recognized
> >
> > There must be a problem with the interface...   sorry
> >
> > Let me check my junkpile
> >
> > Do you have a floppy also?
> >
> > --- Michael Sanson <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
> >> I looked at the jumper settings and they are set
> >> correctly. It is the CP3024 model. Still doing the
> >> same thing. Any other options?
> >> --- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
> >>> Oh...
> >>>
> >>> Make sure the jumpers are set
> >>> If it is a CP3024
> >>> Short C/D and ACT
> >>>
> >>> FYI You cannot set the hard drive type it is
> >>> automatic and limited to 4
> >>> conner models.  CP344 CP3024 CP3044 CP3104  The BIOS
> >>> actually reads the
> >>> model number data in the drive ID table.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- "Discotronic1 <mjsanson1@...>"
> >>> <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
> >>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>    I hope someone can be of help here. I have a
> >>> GRiD 1520 and it
> >>>> doesn't recognize the hard drive. It is the
> >>> original (as far as I
> >>>> know) 20MB Conner. Here is what I have done:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. I tried the setup programs. Didn't work.
> >>>> 2. I pulled the hard drive and put it in another
> >>> laptop. It works
> >>>> just fine.
> >>>> 3. I put another hard drive in to see if it would
> >>> take. It didn't.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   The setup programs doesn't seem to work anyway.
> >>> I don't think the
> >>>> CMOS battery is working. I also get an error
> >>> message upon boot up. It
> >>>> says "invalid configuration information; code 2"
> >>> Any ideas on what
> >>>> this means?
> >>>>   I was thinking the problem could be the hard
> >>> drive controller but I
> >>>> am not sure where it is exactly. The hard drive
> >>> does power up and you
> >>>> can here it spin.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, it has a blue screen. Is this common with
> >>> this model GRiD. I
> >>>> actually bought it to resell but I have deceided I
> >>> am going to hang
> >>>> on to it. I am going back to school soon and I
> >>> figure I can get some
> >>>> use out of it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any help would be great. Thanks for your time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Yahoo! Message number: 572
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:41:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Sanson
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GRiD 1520 hard drive not recognized

That would be great. Thanks for your help.


--- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
> There must be a problem with the interface...  
> sorry
> 
> Let me check my junkpile  
> 
> Do you have a floppy also?
> 
> --- Michael Sanson <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
> > I looked at the jumper settings and they are set
> > correctly. It is the CP3024 model. Still doing the
> > same thing. Any other options?
> > --- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
> > > Oh...
> > > 
> > > Make sure the jumpers are set 
> > > If it is a CP3024
> > > Short C/D and ACT  
> > > 
> > > FYI You cannot set the hard drive type it is
> > > automatic and limited to 4
> > > conner models.  CP344 CP3024 CP3044 CP3104  The
> BIOS
> > > actually reads the
> > > model number data in the drive ID table.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- "Discotronic1 <mjsanson1@...>"
> > > <mjsanson1@...> wrote:
> > > > Hello everyone, 
> > > >    I hope someone can be of help here. I have
> a
> > > GRiD 1520 and it 
> > > > doesn't recognize the hard drive. It is the
> > > original (as far as I 
> > > > know) 20MB Conner. Here is what I have done:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. I tried the setup programs. Didn't work. 
> > > > 2. I pulled the hard drive and put it in
> another
> > > laptop. It works 
> > > > just fine. 
> > > > 3. I put another hard drive in to see if it
> would
> > > take. It didn't. 
> > > > 
> > > >    
> > > >   The setup programs doesn't seem to work
> anyway.
> > > I don't think the 
> > > > CMOS battery is working. I also get an error
> > > message upon boot up. It 
> > > > says "invalid configuration information; code
> 2"
> > > Any ideas on what 
> > > > this means? 
> > > >   I was thinking the problem could be the hard
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> > > > am not sure where it is exactly. The hard
> drive
> > > does power up and you 
> > > > can here it spin.
> > > > 
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> with
> > > this model GRiD. I 
> > > > actually bought it to resell but I have
> deceided I
> > > am going to hang 
> > > > on to it. I am going back to school soon and I
> > > figure I can get some 
> > > > use out of it.   
> > > > 
> > > > Any help would be great. Thanks for your time.
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Yahoo! Message number: 573
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:08:31 -0000
From: "Dave "
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR

HAPPY  NEW YEAR TO ALL IN THE GRID GROUP
DAVE WD8CYV IN  WV USA

NOT DOING TO MUCH WITH COMPUTERS THIS FALL 
I DO READ THE GRID POSTINGS

I HAVE A NEW MZ RT125 MOTORCYCLE TO RIDE (FIRST NEW BIKE SINCE 1974) 
AND HAVE GONE 2771 MILES ON IT SINCE JULY 17 2002

SEE IT AT www.muz.de 
IT IS A BLACK RT125

ALSO DOING A REBUILD ON MY 40 YEAR OLD BMW R50S 

USING A GRID 1755 TO GET A GRIP ON THE BIG PILE OF OLD PARTS
I HAVE FROM 43 YEARS OF RIDING BMW MOTORCYCLES
CARD FILE IN 3.1 DOES A GOOD JOB
AR DAVE 

Yahoo! Message number: 574
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:44:12 -0000
From: "Linda "
Subject: Hi from your newest member! HELP!

I was sure happy to find this club! I've been given 14 Grid Case 
laptops and know nothing about them.. I've powered up 4 of them and 
two work great and two need to be reconfigured.. do I need to fdisk 
and reinstall dos?... I haven't checked out the others yet, hopefully 
there all in pretty good shape... they are mostly 1535 exp\360's with 
40 mb hdrives... some are Grid 2's
     would someone head me in the right direction so i can figure out 
how to use these laptops.. dos 5 and wordperfect among other programs 
seem to be installed, but I truly don't know anything about these 
laptops.... any chance theres a manual hiding out there somewhere.  
Also, I didn't see much on 1535's in the message boards. Are the 
components simular to the 1530's...
I do appreciate any help i can get and will eventually be unloading 
some of these if anyone is interested.. but first I need to make sure 
they are in working condition.  Thanks again, country_lala@... )
Linda)

Yahoo! Message number: 575
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:16:24 -0000
From: "trance_appeal "
Subject: Re: Hi from your newest member! HELP!

Hi Linda,

Please check out the GRiD Board via the link below , there are quite a few 
posts relating to the 1535ex and 1535. Its an excellent resource along with 
this group.

BTW, I will definatly be intersted when your ready to part with a grid or 2

Mike


http://www.pd.com/gb15xx/wwwboard.html





--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Linda <country_lala@y...>" <
country_lala@y...> wrote:
> I was sure happy to find this club! I've been given 14 Grid Case 
> laptops and know nothing about them.. I've powered up 4 of them and 
> two work great and two need to be reconfigured.. do I need to fdisk 
> and reinstall dos?... I haven't checked out the others yet, hopefully 
> there all in pretty good shape... they are mostly 1535 exp&#92;360's with 
> 40 mb hdrives... some are Grid 2's
>      would someone head me in the right direction so i can figure out 
> how to use these laptops.. dos 5 and wordperfect among other programs 
> seem to be installed, but I truly don't know anything about these 
> laptops.... any chance theres a manual hiding out there somewhere.  
> Also, I didn't see much on 1535's in the message boards. Are the 
> components simular to the 1530's...
> I do appreciate any help i can get and will eventually be unloading 
> some of these if anyone is interested.. but first I need to make sure 
> they are in working condition.  Thanks again, country_lala@y... )
> Linda)

Yahoo! Message number: 576
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 06:12:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Hi from your newest member! HELP!

Hi Linda,
Welcome to the mailling list.  I'd be interested in a
GRiD as well.  Please contact me off list when you're
ready sell.
Thanks,
-Shawn

--- "Linda <country_lala@...>"
<country_lala@...> wrote:
> I was sure happy to find this club! I've been given
> 14 Grid Case 
> laptops and know nothing about them.. I've powered
> up 4 of them and 
> two work great and two need to be reconfigured.. do
> I need to fdisk 
> and reinstall dos?... I haven't checked out the
> others yet, hopefully 
> there all in pretty good shape... they are mostly
> 1535 exp&#92;360's with 
> 40 mb hdrives... some are Grid 2's
>      would someone head me in the right direction so
> i can figure out 
> how to use these laptops.. dos 5 and wordperfect
> among other programs 
> seem to be installed, but I truly don't know
> anything about these 
> laptops.... any chance theres a manual hiding out
> there somewhere.  
> Also, I didn't see much on 1535's in the message
> boards. Are the 
> components simular to the 1530's...
> I do appreciate any help i can get and will
> eventually be unloading 
> some of these if anyone is interested.. but first I
> need to make sure 
> they are in working condition.  Thanks again,
> country_lala@... )
> Linda)
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Yahoo! Message number: 577
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:31:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Linda Steves
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Hi from your newest member! HELP!

nice to meet you shawn, yes I'll difinitely let you
know when I've checked out the other laptops so know
what condition there in.. Thanks, Linda
--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> Hi Linda,
> Welcome to the mailling list.  I'd be interested in
> a
> GRiD as well.  Please contact me off list when
> you're
> ready sell.
> Thanks,
> -Shawn
> 
> --- "Linda <country_lala@...>"
> <country_lala@...> wrote:
> > I was sure happy to find this club! I've been
> given
> > 14 Grid Case 
> > laptops and know nothing about them.. I've powered
> > up 4 of them and 
> > two work great and two need to be reconfigured..
> do
> > I need to fdisk 
> > and reinstall dos?... I haven't checked out the
> > others yet, hopefully 
> > there all in pretty good shape... they are mostly
> > 1535 exp&#92;360's with 
> > 40 mb hdrives... some are Grid 2's
> >      would someone head me in the right direction
> so
> > i can figure out 
> > how to use these laptops.. dos 5 and wordperfect
> > among other programs 
> > seem to be installed, but I truly don't know
> > anything about these 
> > laptops.... any chance theres a manual hiding out
> > there somewhere.  
> > Also, I didn't see much on 1535's in the message
> > boards. Are the 
> > components simular to the 1530's...
> > I do appreciate any help i can get and will
> > eventually be unloading 
> > some of these if anyone is interested.. but first
> I
> > need to make sure 
> > they are in working condition.  Thanks again,
> > country_lala@... )
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Yahoo! Message number: 578
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:33:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Linda Steves
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Hi from your newest member! HELP!

Thanks mike, nice to meet ya, I'll definitely let you
know when I've finished checking the other laptops out
so we'll know what condition there all in..Thanks
again, Linda
--- "trance_appeal <mturnerc@...>"
<mturnerc@...> wrote:
> Hi Linda,
> 
> Please check out the GRiD Board via the link below ,
> there are quite a few 
> posts relating to the 1535ex and 1535. Its an
> excellent resource along with 
> this group.
> 
> BTW, I will definatly be intersted when your ready
> to part with a grid or 2
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> http://www.pd.com/gb15xx/wwwboard.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Linda
> <country_lala@y...>" <
> country_lala@y...> wrote:
> > I was sure happy to find this club! I've been
> given 14 Grid Case 
> > laptops and know nothing about them.. I've powered
> up 4 of them and 
> > two work great and two need to be reconfigured..
> do I need to fdisk 
> > and reinstall dos?... I haven't checked out the
> others yet, hopefully 
> > there all in pretty good shape... they are mostly
> 1535 exp&#92;360's with 
> > 40 mb hdrives... some are Grid 2's
> >      would someone head me in the right direction
> so i can figure out 
> > how to use these laptops.. dos 5 and wordperfect
> among other programs 
> > seem to be installed, but I truly don't know
> anything about these 
> > laptops.... any chance theres a manual hiding out
> there somewhere.  
> > Also, I didn't see much on 1535's in the message
> boards. Are the 
> > components simular to the 1530's...
> > I do appreciate any help i can get and will
> eventually be unloading 
> > some of these if anyone is interested.. but first
> I need to make sure 
> > they are in working condition.  Thanks again,
> country_lala@y... )
> > Linda)
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Yahoo! Message number: 579
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:59:14 -0000
From: "rbreslin2001 "
Subject: GRIDCASE 1520 won't recognize hard drive

I have had this machine in mothballs for a couple of years and it 
always worked fine before.  I tried to reactivate it as my scanner 
contoller and now I get the following messages.

Invalid configuration information; code 02
Strike the F1 key to continue

I would like to find out:

1.  How to get to the BIOS setup and reset the HDD.  Or how do I 
check to find out if the drive is bad.

2.  Is there any problem running DOS 6.22 on this machine.

3.  How in the world do you get the case off this monster?

4.  Is there any way to replace the internal BIOS battery if that is 
a problem.

Any and all help with these problems would be appreciated.

I am really stupid when it comes to this machine so please bear with 
me if I ask foolish questions.

Thank You

Yahoo! Message number: 580
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:37:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GRIDCASE 1520 won't recognize hard drive

Rbreslin:
Don't feel bad about the questions.  Everybody has to
start somewhere. :-)
Scanner controller?  Like are you running Trunker,
ETrunk, or Demo88?  If so, I'd like to know if it
works.  I wasn't sure if those programs would work on
a 286.
As far as the GRiD, what happeneds when you press F1? 
Does it boot normally?
I suspect the CMOS battery is dead.  If the battery
can still hold a charge, try letting the computer  run
for a few hours.

To remove the case, look at the rear of the unit.  You
should be looking at the serial, parallel, and monitor
ports.  On the top left and top right, you should see
two rubber or hard plastic "feet".  Use a small
flatblade screwdriver to remove those feet.  Behind
those feet are Phillips screws.  Once you remove those
screws, place the computer in front of you as if you
were going to use it.  The top cover should slide to
the rear about 1/2 inch and allow you to remove it.
IIRC, the CMOS battery is on the right side, forward
(towards the keyboard) side of the hard drive.

I have run DOS 6.22 on my 1520 until about a month
ago.  It appears as if my hard drive is failing.  I
ran scandisk and it said there were errors.  It went
though trying to fix the "errors" on just about every
sector.  It died with an error in the middle of
"fixing" the hard drvie and now it won't boot.  I
haven't had time/motivation/a need to reinstall DOS.

I hope that helped and let us know if yo have any more
questions.
-Shawn 

--- "rbreslin2001 <rbreslin@...>"
<rbreslin@...> wrote:
> I have had this machine in mothballs for a couple of
> years and it 
> always worked fine before.  I tried to reactivate it
> as my scanner 
> contoller and now I get the following messages.
> 
> Invalid configuration information; code 02
> Strike the F1 key to continue
> 
> I would like to find out:
> 
> 1.  How to get to the BIOS setup and reset the HDD. 
> Or how do I 
> check to find out if the drive is bad.
> 
> 2.  Is there any problem running DOS 6.22 on this
> machine.
> 
> 3.  How in the world do you get the case off this
> monster?
> 
> 4.  Is there any way to replace the internal BIOS
> battery if that is 
> a problem.
> 
> Any and all help with these problems would be
> appreciated.
> 
> I am really stupid when it comes to this machine so
> please bear with 
> me if I ask foolish questions.
> 
> Thank You
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Yahoo! Message number: 581
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:26:50 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Hi from your newest member! HELP!

 At the risk of appearing as an AOL'er,
ME TOO

Lawrence

On 26 Dec 2002, , Shawnerz wrote:

> Hi Linda,
> Welcome to the mailling list.  I'd be interested in a
> GRiD as well.  Please contact me off list when you're
> ready sell.
> Thanks,
> -Shawn
> 
> --- "Linda <country_lala@...>"
> <country_lala@...> wrote:
> > I was sure happy to find this club! I've been given
> > 14 Grid Case 
> > laptops and know nothing about them.. I've powered
> > up 4 of them and 
> > two work great and two need to be reconfigured.. do
> > I need to fdisk 
> > and reinstall dos?... I haven't checked out the
> > others yet, hopefully 
> > there all in pretty good shape... they are mostly
> > 1535 exp&#92;360's with 
> > 40 mb hdrives... some are Grid 2's
> >      would someone head me in the right direction so
> > i can figure out 
> > how to use these laptops.. dos 5 and wordperfect
> > among other programs 
> > seem to be installed, but I truly don't know
> > anything about these 
> > laptops.... any chance theres a manual hiding out
> > there somewhere.  
> > Also, I didn't see much on 1535's in the message
> > boards. Are the 
> > components simular to the 1530's...
> > I do appreciate any help i can get and will
> > eventually be unloading 
> > some of these if anyone is interested.. but first I
> > need to make sure 
> > they are in working condition.  Thanks again,
> > country_lala@... )
> > Linda)
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Yahoo! Message number: 582
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:05:52 -0000
From: "rbreslin2001 "
Subject: Re: GRIDCASE 1520 won't recognize hard drive

Shawn,

To answer your question I am running Probe V7 to drive a Radio Shack 
PRO-2035 with an OptoScan S535 board installed.  This combination 
works well on the grid with the trade-off of speed.  If you are not 
in a big hurry it will scan approx. 50 freqs per sec.  Will go higher 
on faster system but more than a 486 is overkill for this.

After pressing F1 it gives me a disk boot error and continues until I 
put a system disk in a:.

I finally got it up and running but I had to let it run for over an 
hour and try rebooting the machine every so often.  The disk seems to 
be ok so I would guess it is either the battery and/or something else.

DOS 6.22 runs fine on this machine and I also have Lotus Works 
running on it (Word Processor/Spreadsheet/Database)and works fine.

DOS 6.22 gives me scandisk and defrag which show no problems with HDD.

I have access to another 1520 and will see if I can transfer my 
software

My special thanks for the info on getting inside.  I will try it when 
I get the other grid up and running.

It's really sad that I have about a dozen battery packs for this 
machine and none of them will hold a charge.  Fortunately the AC 
adaptor still works really well.

Can you replace the CMOS battery in the Grid?

I have a really good running 586 which I am going to transfer to if I 
can't get one of the Grids running.

Bob

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> Rbreslin:
> Don't feel bad about the questions.  Everybody has to
> start somewhere. :-)
> Scanner controller?  Like are you running Trunker,
> ETrunk, or Demo88?  If so, I'd like to know if it
> works.  I wasn't sure if those programs would work on
> a 286.
> As far as the GRiD, what happeneds when you press F1? 
> Does it boot normally?
> I suspect the CMOS battery is dead.  If the battery
> can still hold a charge, try letting the computer  run
> for a few hours.
> 
> To remove the case, look at the rear of the unit.  You
> should be looking at the serial, parallel, and monitor
> ports.  On the top left and top right, you should see
> two rubber or hard plastic "feet".  Use a small
> flatblade screwdriver to remove those feet.  Behind
> those feet are Phillips screws.  Once you remove those
> screws, place the computer in front of you as if you
> were going to use it.  The top cover should slide to
> the rear about 1/2 inch and allow you to remove it.
> IIRC, the CMOS battery is on the right side, forward
> (towards the keyboard) side of the hard drive.
> 
> I have run DOS 6.22 on my 1520 until about a month
> ago.  It appears as if my hard drive is failing.  I
> ran scandisk and it said there were errors.  It went
> though trying to fix the "errors" on just about every
> sector.  It died with an error in the middle of
> "fixing" the hard drvie and now it won't boot.  I
> haven't had time/motivation/a need to reinstall DOS.
> 
> I hope that helped and let us know if yo have any more
> questions.
> -Shawn 
> 
> --- "rbreslin2001 <rbreslin@m...>"
> <rbreslin@m...> wrote:
> > I have had this machine in mothballs for a couple of
> > years and it 
> > always worked fine before.  I tried to reactivate it
> > as my scanner 
> > contoller and now I get the following messages.
> > 
> > Invalid configuration information; code 02
> > Strike the F1 key to continue
> > 
> > I would like to find out:
> > 
> > 1.  How to get to the BIOS setup and reset the HDD. 
> > Or how do I 
> > check to find out if the drive is bad.
> > 
> > 2.  Is there any problem running DOS 6.22 on this
> > machine.
> > 
> > 3.  How in the world do you get the case off this
> > monster?
> > 
> > 4.  Is there any way to replace the internal BIOS
> > battery if that is 
> > a problem.
> > 
> > Any and all help with these problems would be
> > appreciated.
> > 
> > I am really stupid when it comes to this machine so
> > please bear with 
> > me if I ask foolish questions.
> > 
> > Thank You
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Yahoo! Message number: 583
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:36:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GRIDCASE 1520 won't recognize hard drive

Cool beans on the Computer Aided Scanning.  One day,
I'll get around to something like that...one day...


> It's really sad that I have about a dozen battery
> packs for this 
> machine and none of them will hold a charge. 

Yeah, 10-15 year old ni-cad's really don't hold much
of a charge. :-(  They can be rebuilt, however.  I
think Charles has a link or an address for a couple of
companies that will do it.
 
> Can you replace the CMOS battery in the Grid?

As a general rule, nothing is impossible with enough
time and money. ;-)

IIRC, the battery has pigtail leads and is soldered to
the motherboard.  The replacement that I bought from
Radio Shack did not have pigtail leads.  I think I cut
the battery away from the board but I cut it close to
the battery side of the leads.  Then, I (carefully)
soldered the new battery to the remaining leads.  If
you go this route, be careful.  Ni-Cad's don't like
being heated up to soldering iron temperatures.  Make
your soldering time quick.  If the core heats up and
the battery outgasses, then battery starts to loose
capacity.  Also, I'm sure nickle and cadmium fumes
aren't the greatest to be breathing.  
Spot welding is the way to go, but I don't have access
to a spot welding machine.

Good luck.
-Shawn


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Yahoo! Message number: 584
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:41:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GRIDCASE 1520 won't recognize hard drive

Er..  The only compain that I know of is Bateries+  
They have a rebuild shop but bring your checkbook.

Maybe someone on the list could venture into this.

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> Cool beans on the Computer Aided Scanning.  One day,
> I'll get around to something like that...one day...
> 
> 
> > It's really sad that I have about a dozen battery
> > packs for this 
> > machine and none of them will hold a charge. 
> 
> Yeah, 10-15 year old ni-cad's really don't hold much
> of a charge. :-(  They can be rebuilt, however.  I
> think Charles has a link or an address for a couple of
> companies that will do it.
>  
> > Can you replace the CMOS battery in the Grid?
> 
> As a general rule, nothing is impossible with enough
> time and money. ;-)
> 
> IIRC, the battery has pigtail leads and is soldered to
> the motherboard.  The replacement that I bought from
> Radio Shack did not have pigtail leads.  I think I cut
> the battery away from the board but I cut it close to
> the battery side of the leads.  Then, I (carefully)
> soldered the new battery to the remaining leads.  If
> you go this route, be careful.  Ni-Cad's don't like
> being heated up to soldering iron temperatures.  Make
> your soldering time quick.  If the core heats up and
> the battery outgasses, then battery starts to loose
> capacity.  Also, I'm sure nickle and cadmium fumes
> aren't the greatest to be breathing.  
> Spot welding is the way to go, but I don't have access
> to a spot welding machine.
> 
> Good luck.
> -Shawn
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 585
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:14:32 -0600
From: "Robert Breslin"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GRIDCASE 1520 won't recognize hard drive

Thanks Charles, I'll put them on my list for when I get this monster working
properly.  Maybe I can salvage 1 or 2 packs out of all the ones I have.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Ford" <cjford1@...>
To: <RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GRIDCASE 1520 won't recognize hard drive


> Er..  The only compain that I know of is Bateries+
> They have a rebuild shop but bring your checkbook.
>
> Maybe someone on the list could venture into this.
>
> --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> > Cool beans on the Computer Aided Scanning.  One day,
> > I'll get around to something like that...one day...
> >
> >
> > > It's really sad that I have about a dozen battery
> > > packs for this
> > > machine and none of them will hold a charge.
> >
> > Yeah, 10-15 year old ni-cad's really don't hold much
> > of a charge. :-(  They can be rebuilt, however.  I
> > think Charles has a link or an address for a couple of
> > companies that will do it.
> >
> > > Can you replace the CMOS battery in the Grid?
> >
> > As a general rule, nothing is impossible with enough
> > time and money. ;-)
> >
> > IIRC, the battery has pigtail leads and is soldered to
> > the motherboard.  The replacement that I bought from
> > Radio Shack did not have pigtail leads.  I think I cut
> > the battery away from the board but I cut it close to
> > the battery side of the leads.  Then, I (carefully)
> > soldered the new battery to the remaining leads.  If
> > you go this route, be careful.  Ni-Cad's don't like
> > being heated up to soldering iron temperatures.  Make
> > your soldering time quick.  If the core heats up and
> > the battery outgasses, then battery starts to loose
> > capacity.  Also, I'm sure nickle and cadmium fumes
> > aren't the greatest to be breathing.
> > Spot welding is the way to go, but I don't have access
> > to a spot welding machine.
> >
> > Good luck.
> > -Shawn
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 586
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:25:22 -0600
From: "Robert Breslin"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GRIDCASE 1520 won't recognize hard drive

Shawn,

Thanks for the CMOS battery info.  I live in a very small town but we do
have a computer repair place here and I may try to get them to replace the
battery instead of attempting it myself if they don't charge me a lot.
There are a few places here that I could get the battery spot welded if it
comes to that.  I have soldered ni-cads together before with a very high
heat Weller soldering gun and they worked fine but they were larger
batteries and could handle it.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawnerz" <shawnerz@...>
To: <RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GRIDCASE 1520 won't recognize hard drive


> Cool beans on the Computer Aided Scanning.  One day,
> I'll get around to something like that...one day...
>
>
> > It's really sad that I have about a dozen battery
> > packs for this
> > machine and none of them will hold a charge.
>
> Yeah, 10-15 year old ni-cad's really don't hold much
> of a charge. :-(  They can be rebuilt, however.  I
> think Charles has a link or an address for a couple of
> companies that will do it.
>
> > Can you replace the CMOS battery in the Grid?
>
> As a general rule, nothing is impossible with enough
> time and money. ;-)
>
> IIRC, the battery has pigtail leads and is soldered to
> the motherboard.  The replacement that I bought from
> Radio Shack did not have pigtail leads.  I think I cut
> the battery away from the board but I cut it close to
> the battery side of the leads.  Then, I (carefully)
> soldered the new battery to the remaining leads.  If
> you go this route, be careful.  Ni-Cad's don't like
> being heated up to soldering iron temperatures.  Make
> your soldering time quick.  If the core heats up and
> the battery outgasses, then battery starts to loose
> capacity.  Also, I'm sure nickle and cadmium fumes
> aren't the greatest to be breathing.
> Spot welding is the way to go, but I don't have access
> to a spot welding machine.
>
> Good luck.
> -Shawn
>
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 587
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:47:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: I know this is off topic

> Please take a minuet and fill out the following survey.  
> It is for a class (focus group) project.
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 588
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:48:56 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] I know this is off topic

 Well this is certainly off-topic but dear to my heart.
 There is a whole realm of alternate energy sources
out there and if this was the focus of the USA populace 
there would be no need for the coming war, which really
is about control of mid-east oil and USA need for
stability in oil supply.

 Then again if internal combustion engines are an
outmoded energy force, one can only expect the
corporate producers to put up a hell of a fight.

 GM's budget has been declared larger than most
small nations, Big Oil corporations likely larger.
They will protect thier turf and as I would propound
Dubya and Cheyney are owned by oil. This is why
the US has not signed onto the Kyoto accords
despite the overwhelming evidence of the danger 
to our planet of the present course. Like most
CEOs their jobs depend on present profits not
the well-being of the future occupants of this planet.

 The technology is already there that would move
us out of this self-destructive angst, but it involves
the loss of a whole lifestyle and hundreds of 
thousands of jobs and we have few leaders who 
aren't tied to vested interests.

 Like some religious seminar who hopes the basic
goodness of man will triumph in the end, I do hope
that we can triumph over this seeming impass.
 But it won't be easy. The alternative is death and
destuction. If not, once man is gone perhaps mother
earth will be able to restore herself.

Lawrence Walker


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Yahoo! Message number: 589
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:42:49 -0000
From: "trance_appeal "
Subject: Ebay

Just thought I would send out a few quick E-Bay links just in case anyone is 
looking for reasonable parts at decent prices (except for the GRIDCASE 3 in 
this list which is currently at $150!!!!). Non of these are my auctions. 

2x GRiDCASE1530's + manuals and other parts 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=
2086383430

and out of a matter of amazement  the GRiDCASE3 at $115
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=
2085735792

Hope this is maybe useful / interesting for some on the list

Mike

Yahoo! Message number: 590
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 06:19:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Ebay

Even more amazing is someone actually has a bid on
it!!!  Man, PT Barnum was right!!!

-Shawn

--- "trance_appeal <mturnerc@...>"
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> Just thought I would send out a few quick E-Bay
> links just in case anyone is 
> looking for reasonable parts at decent prices
> (except for the GRIDCASE 3 in 
> this list which is currently at $150!!!!). Non of
> these are my auctions. 
> 
> 2x GRiDCASE1530's + manuals and other parts 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=
> 2086383430
> 
> and out of a matter of amazement  the GRiDCASE3 at
> $115
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=
> 2085735792
> 
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> the list
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 591
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 06:51:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: P. T. Barnem

A little something for the suckers out there.
> 
> Time to get that Model I out of the closet?
> 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2085217285
> 
> Final bid  US $1,000.00     Starting bid  US $9.99  
> Quantity  1   # of bids  13
> 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2084917980
> 
> Final bid  US $255.00     Starting bid  US $19.95  
> Quantity  1   # of bids  14
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 592
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:43:37 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Ebay

 I believe I have found a source for SIPPs. It's a company 
that manufactures ram and has them in stock. When I get
further info I'll let the list know. Hopefully they are the 
right form factor, they are presently still supplying them to
Telco's but it would seem they would sell in small 
quantities at decent prices or maybe we could do a group 
buy.

Lawrence

On 7 Jan 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:

> Even more amazing is someone actually has a bid on
> it!!!  Man, PT Barnum was right!!!
> 
> -Shawn
> 
> --- "trance_appeal <mturnerc@...>"
> <mturnerc@...> wrote:
> > Just thought I would send out a few quick E-Bay
> > links just in case anyone is 
> > looking for reasonable parts at decent prices
> > (except for the GRIDCASE 3 in 
> > this list which is currently at $150!!!!). Non of
> > these are my auctions. 
> > 
> > 2x GRiDCASE1530's + manuals and other parts 
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&i
> tem= > 2086383430 > > and out of a matter of amazement  the
> GRiDCASE3 at > $115 >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&i
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Yahoo! Message number: 593
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:47:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: CNN Article On Vintage Computers

Looks like older computers are going up in value. 
Check this out:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/01/06/old.computers.reut/index.html
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Yahoo! Message number: 594
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:07:36 +1100
From: Michael Turner-Craig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Digest Number 209

I seem to remember somewhere seeing that a GRiD Compass sold recently 
for around the $8000 in a non-ebay auction, (maybe I am over estimating 
the price , my memory is a little fuzzy on the compass). It seems the 
Compass has been tagged as the first "Clam Shell" laptop/portable 
computer design. I also don't know how accurate this is as with most 
things in the computer industry it all depends on who you believe

Mike


> Message: 1
>    Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:47:31 -0800 (PST)
>    From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
> Subject: CNN Article On Vintage Computers
>
> Looks like older computers are going up in value.
> Check this out:
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/01/06/old.computers.reut/index.html
> -Shawn

Yahoo! Message number: 595
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:46:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Grid 1040/1044

There is a GRiD 1040 and 1044 on eBay.  What does this
series have on the inside?  Are they 8088's?
Are they part of the Gridcase series?
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 596
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:44:00 -0000
From: "bigwalk_ca "
Subject: 15xx eproms ?

 What eproms do the 15xx Grids use ? I have access to some at a cheap 
price.

Lawrence

Yahoo! Message number: 597
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:08:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 15xx eproms ?

Lawrence:

Depending on the location?

The BIOS ROM is a pair of 27C128

IF you have the 152X or 153X with CGA adapter there are two slots under
the door in the keyboard.  These would be for ROM-Disk applications and
use 27C1024 (or equ 128K by 8)

--- "bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...>" <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  What eproms do the 15xx Grids use ? I have access to some at a cheap 
> price.
> 
> Lawrence
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 598
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:22:37 -0000
From: "trance_appeal "
Subject: Yahoo groups and Tracer Cookies.

Thought it might be worth sending this to everyone just in case it has slipped passed. Rather nasty little business If you ask me :)

Mike


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Yahoo! Message number: 599
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:10:37 -0600
From: "Mike Brashear"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 15xx eproms ?
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I ordered a few at about $.50 a chip for a quantity of 15 or so.  I think
they may have dropped in price since then.   I bought a few already erased,
however the erasers are not very expensive either.  Used them on my 1530 and
they work great.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...]
  Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:09 PM
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 15xx eproms ?


  Lawrence:

  Depending on the location?

  The BIOS ROM is a pair of 27C128

  IF you have the 152X or 153X with CGA adapter there are two slots under
  the door in the keyboard.  These would be for ROM-Disk applications and
  use 27C1024 (or equ 128K by 8)

  --- "bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...>" <lgwalker@...> wrote:
  >  What eproms do the 15xx Grids use ? I have access to some at a cheap
  > price.
  >
  > Lawrence
  >
  >


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Yahoo! Message number: 600
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:05:57 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 15xx eproms ?

 Thanks Charles. I know the number had been posted 
before but couldn't find it in the archive. It's for my 1520s.
Now hopefully he has that type. Thinking of putting the
O.S. in there.
 He posted that he had 2716 thru 27512, CMOS and 
regular. I know very little about EPROMs. Based on the 
"C" in the 27C1024 designation I'm guessing it's a CMOS
with 1 meg available. Wonder if the 512s could be used ?

 BTW how does one dump the BIOS using Debug just to 
see what all is in there ?

Lawrence

On 16 Jan 2003, , Charles Ford wrote:

> Lawrence:
> 
> Depending on the location?
> 
> The BIOS ROM is a pair of 27C128
> 
> IF you have the 152X or 153X with CGA adapter there are two
> slots under the door in the keyboard.  These would be for
> ROM-Disk applications and use 27C1024 (or equ 128K by 8)
> 
> --- "bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...>" <lgwalker@...>
> wrote: >  What eproms do the 15xx Grids use ? I have access
> to some at a cheap > price. > > Lawrence > > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 601
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:17:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 15xx eproms ?

Lawrence:

I have a DOS 3.1 ROM-disk.  I can send you the file.
 
--- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  Thanks Charles. I know the number had been posted 
> before but couldn't find it in the archive. It's for my 1520s.
> Now hopefully he has that type. Thinking of putting the
> O.S. in there.
>  He posted that he had 2716 thru 27512, CMOS and 
> regular. I know very little about EPROMs. Based on the 
> "C" in the 27C1024 designation I'm guessing it's a CMOS
> with 1 meg available. Wonder if the 512s could be used ?
> 
>  BTW how does one dump the BIOS using Debug just to 
> see what all is in there ?
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> On 16 Jan 2003, , Charles Ford wrote:
> 
> > Lawrence:
> > 
> > Depending on the location?
> > 
> > The BIOS ROM is a pair of 27C128
> > 
> > IF you have the 152X or 153X with CGA adapter there are two
> > slots under the door in the keyboard.  These would be for
> > ROM-Disk applications and use 27C1024 (or equ 128K by 8)
> > 
> > --- "bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...>" <lgwalker@...>
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Yahoo! Message number: 602
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:19:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Yahoo groups and Tracer Cookies.

Wow!  Thanks,
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Yahoo! Message number: 603
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:48:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Walworth
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 15xx eproms ?
text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Charles,  This is what I have been looking for.  Please direct me to get these eproms.

 

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Yahoo! Message number: 604
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 03:56:32 -0000
From: "bobkaster "
Subject: Gridcase 1535 EXP and Hard Drive Configuration

Hello,
I have a Gridcase 1535 EXP and the hard drive froze solid on it.  I
picked up a Connor CP3104 on Ebay a while ago, which was rumored to
work with the GRID.  I looked at Seagate's configuration site, played
with the jumpers, but I cannot get it to work properly.  In one
configuration, I can get the computer to work from the floppy, but
when I try to fdisk the hard drive, it says none detected.  Does
anyone have any hints how to get them to work together?  I have an
interface board, one side goes through two sets of flat cables to the
expansion connector on the bottom of the GRID, the other hooks up to
the HD connector.  I had to add power wires for 12/5V.  Are there any
tricks that I need to do to get it to recognize the hard drive?

Thanks for your help,
Bob

Yahoo! Message number: 605
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:56:08 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 15xx eproms ?

 Mike what is your source for these. Turned out the chap 
that was selling them only had smaller sizes.

Lawrence

On 16 Jan 2003, , Mike Brashear wrote:

> I ordered a few at about $.50 a chip for a quantity of 15 or
> so.  I think they may have dropped in price since then.   I
> bought a few already erased, however the erasers are not
> very expensive either.  Used them on my 1530 and they work
> great.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Charles Ford [mailto:cjford1@...]
>   Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:09 PM
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 15xx eproms ?
> 
> 
>   Lawrence:
> 
>   Depending on the location?
> 
>   The BIOS ROM is a pair of 27C128
> 
>   IF you have the 152X or 153X with CGA adapter there are
>   two slots under the door in the keyboard.  These would be
>   for ROM-Disk applications and use 27C1024 (or equ 128K by
>   8)
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 606
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:03:33 +1100
From: Michael Turner-Craig
Subject: Flash IDE ?

Just wondering (with all the chats about Hard-drives of late) if anyone 
has had success using one of those FLASH CARD to IDE bus converters on 
a grid. They are supposed to let you use the flash card like a small 
hard-drive ?  I was thinking for longevity alone it might be a good idea

  Mike

Yahoo! Message number: 607
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:05:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Walworth
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1535 EXP and Hard Drive Configuration
text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I will search for a website for you.  You need a drive configuration software to get your grid case to see the hard drive.

 

But I must worn you.....

After loading this to get the hard drive to work the system asked for a password.  I have been locked out of my gridcase for one year.   It just sits on the shelf.  maybe yours will work.  but that is what you need is a program to setup the harddrive.

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Yahoo! Message number: 608
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:50:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 15xx eproms ?

Robert:

Which eproms are you looking for?
--- Robert Walworth <rwalworth1@...> wrote:
> 
> Charles,  This is what I have been looking for.  Please direct me to
> get these eproms.
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 609
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:12:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1535 EXP and Hard Drive Configuration

I will look at my old drive when I get home tonight.  

Have you tried the drive an a diferent machiene?

--- "bobkaster <bobkaster@...>" <bobkaster@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> I have a Gridcase 1535 EXP and the hard drive froze solid on it.  I
> picked up a Connor CP3104 on Ebay a while ago, which was rumored to
> work with the GRID.  I looked at Seagate's configuration site, played
> with the jumpers, but I cannot get it to work properly.  In one
> configuration, I can get the computer to work from the floppy, but
> when I try to fdisk the hard drive, it says none detected.  Does
> anyone have any hints how to get them to work together?  I have an
> interface board, one side goes through two sets of flat cables to the
> expansion connector on the bottom of the GRID, the other hooks up to
> the HD connector.  I had to add power wires for 12/5V.  Are there any
> tricks that I need to do to get it to recognize the hard drive?
> 
> Thanks for your help,
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Yahoo! Message number: 610
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:52:11 -0000
From: "a100manonline "
Subject: New User :) Battery Help

Hello All,

I Just Recieved A 1520 From Earl Today. Damn Cool Looking :) Anyhow, 
Anyone Have Spec Sheets? What's In This Thing? Any Recommendiations 
For Batterys? I Would Love To Drag This Along On A Trip, And Play 
Abandonware On It. What About Running A Cord To A Cigarette Lighter?

Dane

Yahoo! Message number: 611
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:24:06 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] New User :) Battery Help

Hello there, Dane.  Welcome to the group.
I have 2 1520's.  One has the amber EL display and the other has the
non-backlit LCD display.  Currently, only one has a hard drive. :-(
What's inside the 1520?  It's a 286 and it may or may not have a working
hard drive.  You probably have between 1 and 4 meg of memory.
Battery's are available for it but I don't have a source.
As far as running it from a car adapter, yes, you can.  Just be sure the
power supply or DC to DC converter can supply 16 volts at about 2 amps
and you'll be fine.  The auto adapters I've seen on eBay recently seem
to have the plug for the 1550SX and not the coaxial barrel type that
found on the 1520.
Let me know if this info is helpful and good luck with your GRiD's!
-Shawn

"a100manonline " wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I Just Recieved A 1520 From Earl Today. Damn Cool Looking :) Anyhow,
> Anyone Have Spec Sheets? What's In This Thing? Any Recommendiations
> For Batterys? I Would Love To Drag This Along On A Trip, And Play
> Abandonware On It. What About Running A Cord To A Cigarette Lighter?
> 
> Dane
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Yahoo! Message number: 612
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:27:34 -0000
From: "abdulx "
Subject: GRID 1530 BIOS

Hello all:

I have a GRID 1530.

When I power it on, the screen reads:

------
Phoenix 80386 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 10/25/89
Copyright <blah blah blah>

640K Base Memory, 00384K Extended
Invalid configuration information: code 02
 Strike F1 key to continue
------

When I hit F1, it gives me "Disk Boot Error" about every 25 secs, and 
tries to access the floppy. When I put a DOS 6.20 floppy in, it boots.

I'm guessing the battery's bad, 'cause it can't remember what day it 
is.

My questions:

1) What is 'code 02'?
2) How do I access the bios? I tried several of the usual keys: no 
luck.
3) Does it have a hard drive? I typed 'c:' at the a: dos prompt and 
it says 'Invalid Drive specification'

Thanks in advance,
Ben

Yahoo! Message number: 613
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:01:43 -0000
From: "edselmanonline "
Subject: Re: New User :) Battery Help

Hello Shawn,

Pretty Cool Group :) Thanks For Your Help. Is It Possible To Upgrade 
This Laptop? I Would Be Interested In Upgrading The Following:

Memory (For Windows 95)
Hard Disk (Again, For Windows 95)
CDROM?
Processor?

Is It Possible To Upgrade The 1520 Series? What Should I Do To Use A 
PS/2 Barcode Scanner On This Laptop?

Dane

Yahoo! Message number: 614
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:09:06 -0000
From: "edselmanonline "
Subject: Grid Laptop Battery

Hello,

I Found A Website That Has A Grid Laptop Battery. Now, The Question 
Is, How Do I Know It Will Work? The Site Doesn't Have A Picture. 
http://www.sarrio.com/sarrio/laptopfe2gvc.html $79.00 Seems Good, 
But? How Can I Be Sure That It Will Work? In The Battery Tray, I Have 
A Slide In Option For A Power That Goes Into The Back Of A Typical 
IBM PC, And Then Into House Hold Current. Is This Where The Battery 
Goes? How Do I Get A Charger?

Dane

Yahoo! Message number: 615
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 06:40:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: New User :) Battery Help

Dane,
Sorry, I get a lot of email and I can't remember
specifically which GRiD you have.
I seem to remember you saying you have the 1520.  As
far as upgrades, generally, nothing is impossible with
enough time and and money! :-)
Yes, the memory can be upgraded but I think 4 Meg is
as high as it will go.  The trick is finding 1 Meg
SIPP's.  Not SIMM's but SIPP's.
I haven't seen any pricing on those.  Because they're
hard to find, they tend to be expensive.

Hard Disk:  Yes, but.....  The GRiD BIOS only allows 4
different model Conner harddrives to be connected.  I
think 40 Meg (yes, megabyte) is the largest it with
natively support.  The BIOS can be edited with a hex
editor and PROM programmer, but you have to know what
you're doing.  You can go through the archieves to
find the instructions.  If you can't find it, I can
dig it up.

CD-ROM: Probably not.  I don't think the GRiD is dual
channel IDE.  Even if it is, I don't know where you'd
plug it in.

Processor: No.  The 286 is soldered to the board.  I
think Charlie Ford (another list member) has some
experience upgrading and overclocking GRiD's, but I
don't think the 1520 was one of them.  Hopefully,
he'll chime in.

Good luck,
-Shawn

--- "edselmanonline <nochay@...>"
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> Hello Shawn,
> 
> Pretty Cool Group :) Thanks For Your Help. Is It
> Possible To Upgrade 
> This Laptop? I Would Be Interested In Upgrading The
> Following:
> 
> Memory (For Windows 95)
> Hard Disk (Again, For Windows 95)
> CDROM?
> Processor?
> 
> Is It Possible To Upgrade The 1520 Series? What
> Should I Do To Use A 
> PS/2 Barcode Scanner On This Laptop?
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 616
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:16:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Grid Laptop Battery

OK Dane,
Let's take your questions one by one.

> I Found A Website That Has A Grid Laptop Battery.
> Now, The Question 
> Is, How Do I Know It Will Work? 

As a general rule, over the Internet sales,
nothingguaranteedteed.  In looking over
gentelman'san's website, however, he doesn't look like
he's out to take your money and run.  But with any
Internet purchase, it is a gamble.

>The Site Doesn't Have A Picture. 
> http://www.sarrio.com/sarrio/laptopfe2gvc.html
> $79.00 Seems Good, 
> But? How Can I Be Sure That It Will Work? 

See the above.

>In The Battery Tray, I Have 
> A Slide In Option For A Power That Goes Into The
> Back Of A Typical 
> IBM PC, And Then Into House Hold Current. 

I do not have a GRiD power supply so I'm not sure what
you mean by  '...power that goes into the back of a
typical IBM PC...'
I think you meant 'power cord.' 
I think you have a GRID power supply that slides into
the computer.  That power supply should slide out from
the computer.  

>Is This Where The Battery Goes? 

Yes.

>How Do I Get A Charger?

I think the charger is built into the computer.  I am
not 100% sure because I do not have a battery or
external power supply.  I think thereceptacleply has a
coaxial barrel type recepticle. I know the computer
has a coaxial barrel type connector.  This is where
the 16 volts DC is applied.  In order to charge the
battery, remove the power supply from the computer. 
Put the battery into the computer.  Then, connect a
jumper cable from the power supply to the 16 volt
input on the computer.
Maybe there is someone that has more information.
-Shawn
 
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Yahoo! Message number: 617
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:06:39 -0000
From: "dalalwllja "
Subject: GRiDCASE 1550sx

Hey I'm new to Grid Computers but from what I have read and seen on 
the net they seem to be pretty cool laptops. what I want to know is 
what OS can intsall on my 1550sx that I recently got. When I boot it 
up it goes through all the normal stuff but then it gets a hard disk 
failure message. Is there anything I can do about that to fix the 
problem. 

Yahoo! Message number: 618
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:26:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GRiDCASE 1550sx

Andre,
The 1550SX is a 386SX so you can install any OS that
will run on the 386.
HHmmm...hard drive failure....that's a can of worms
that I don't have time at this second to go through. 
But now that you're a member of the list, look through
thte archieves and you'll see recent messages from
other people with the same problem.
-Shawn
--- "dalalwllja <smith_andre@...>"
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> Hey I'm new to Grid Computers but from what I have
> read and seen on 
> the net they seem to be pretty cool laptops. what I
> want to know is 
> what OS can intsall on my 1550sx that I recently
> got. When I boot it 
> up it goes through all the normal stuff but then it
> gets a hard disk 
> failure message. Is there anything I can do about
> that to fix the 
> problem. 
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Yahoo! Message number: 619
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 21:59:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Fwd: INFO: Shuttle Debris in TEXAS

Us Texan's are used to large objects falling from the sky...  But this
was no hail storm, and just a bit too close.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/maps/us/nacogdoches.texas/popup.shuttle.map.gif

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2153370

http://abc.net.au/news/2003/02/item20030202054641_1.htm

http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2003-02-01T205318Z_01_HOU01D_RTRIDSP_2_SHUTTLE.jpg

http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2003-02-01T161624Z_01_WAS101D_RTRIDSP_2_SPACE-SHUTTLE.jpg

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> Subject: INFO: Shuttle Debris in TEXAS
> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 11:46:42 -0500
> 
> Texas residents who come in contact with any debris from the explosion
> of
> shuttle Comlumbia should immediately contact local authorities.
> 
> Residents warned not to pick up any fallen debris.
> Debris is potentially dangerous.
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Yahoo! Message number: 620
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:18:35 -0500
From: "Tim"
Subject: Re: Fwd: INFO: Shuttle Debris in TEXAS

It's a damn shame. But not completly unbelievable. Indeed sts-107 was
delayed for 6mos.  Frankly, if we spent a quater what we do on tanks and
guns on science and space-exploration we wouldnt be running a vehicle
designed in the 70's and built with 80's tech....not that 80's tech is
necissarliy bad of course.  I have a bad feeling that this may have a very
bad impact on the US manned space program.

Tim

P.s. an example of why the media in the US cannot be trusted -applicable to
most "news" story's lately
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/032/nation/Columbia_streaks_toward_Florid:.s
html

p.p.s. Sorry for the rant

Yahoo! Message number: 621
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 04:37:44 -0000
From: "johnet32000 "
Subject: Re: Yahoo groups and Tracer Cookies.

Thanks, Didn't know this.
Done it.

Yahoo! Message number: 622
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:54:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Fwd: INFO: Shuttle Debris in TEXAS

> P.s. an example of why the media in the US cannot be trusted
> -applicable to
> most "news" story's lately
>
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/032/nation/Columbia_streaks_toward_Florid:.shtml

Yes I saw that too.  Oops!

Here is an interesting site...

go to http://www.rap.ucar.edu/staff/pneilley/NIDS_archives.html

Under Individual NEXRAD Sites: select "SHV" for Shreveport, LA.
Date feb 1  time UTC 12:00  Loop Duration 3 hr and frequency 15min

The suttle apparently began to break up just south of directly over our
heads here in Fort Worth.  NEXRAD will show the falling debris field.

Nothing fell here but there was debris as close as Nacogdoches.  The
RACES repeater was cloged with requests for help searching for debris by
noon saturday.

Anyway.  Its still safer then driving.





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Yahoo! Message number: 623
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 11:33:34 -0000
From: "beirnan "
Subject: Palmpad SL

Does anyone have a spare sundisk card for a GRiD Palmpad SL? If 
anyone does I'd be willing to buy it...
Also would it be possible to use a bigger card with more storage 
capacity with this thing?

Yahoo! Message number: 624
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:26:18 -0600
From: Robert C Wittig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Palmpad SL

Hello beirnan,

Monday, February 3, 2003, 5:33:34 AM, you wrote:

bgjn> Does anyone have a spare sundisk card for a GRiD Palmpad SL? If 
bgjn> anyone does I'd be willing to buy it...
bgjn> Also would it be possible to use a bigger card with more storage 
bgjn> capacity with this thing?


Try emailing northidaho@...

This is a business. They were selling GRiD Pads and SunDisk cards on
eBay a few months back, and I bought a few of each. On Rob's
GRiDBoard, they said they had hundreds to sell, so they might still
have some to offer.

 
-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
A business is as honest as its advertising.
.

Yahoo! Message number: 625
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 13:29:06 -0500
From: "Andre Smith"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Palmpad SL

Can anyone tell me how to take a GRiD 1550sx a part to replace the hard disk






>From: Robert C Wittig <rwittig@...>
>Reply-To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
>To: "beirnan <gkbennett@...>" <RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Palmpad SL
>Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:26:18 -0600
>
>Hello beirnan,
>
>Monday, February 3, 2003, 5:33:34 AM, you wrote:
>
>bgjn> Does anyone have a spare sundisk card for a GRiD Palmpad SL? If
>bgjn> anyone does I'd be willing to buy it...
>bgjn> Also would it be possible to use a bigger card with more storage
>bgjn> capacity with this thing?
>
>
>Try emailing northidaho@...
>
>This is a business. They were selling GRiD Pads and SunDisk cards on
>eBay a few months back, and I bought a few of each. On Rob's
>GRiDBoard, they said they had hundreds to sell, so they might still
>have some to offer.
>
>
>-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
>A business is as honest as its advertising.
>.
>


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Yahoo! Message number: 626
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:38:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Palmpad SL

Looking at the unit form the back there are two rectangular plastic
covers on hte uper right and left corner of the back plate.  If you
remove those covers there are screws under them.  Remove those two screws
and the top plate slides forward and comes off.   

The drive mounts are directly under that plate.  

--- Andre Smith <ministersmith@...> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how to take a GRiD 1550sx a part to replace the hard
> disk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Robert C Wittig <rwittig@...>
> >Reply-To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> >To: "beirnan <gkbennett@...>" <RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Palmpad SL
> >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:26:18 -0600
> >
> >Hello beirnan,
> >
> >Monday, February 3, 2003, 5:33:34 AM, you wrote:
> >
> >bgjn> Does anyone have a spare sundisk card for a GRiD Palmpad SL? If
> >bgjn> anyone does I'd be willing to buy it...
> >bgjn> Also would it be possible to use a bigger card with more storage
> >bgjn> capacity with this thing?
> >
> >
> >Try emailing northidaho@...
> >
> >This is a business. They were selling GRiD Pads and SunDisk cards on
> >eBay a few months back, and I bought a few of each. On Rob's
> >GRiDBoard, they said they had hundreds to sell, so they might still
> >have some to offer.
> >
> >
> >-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> >A business is as honest as its advertising.
> >.
> >
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 627
Date: 4 Feb 2003 20:17:24 -0000
From: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New file uploaded to RuGRiD-Laptop

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RuGRiD-Laptop 
group.

  File        : /grideprom.pdf 
  Uploaded by : bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...> 
  Description : Docs for EPROM build from Grid  

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/grideprom.pdf 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...>
 

Yahoo! Message number: 628
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:17:57 -0800
From: Mike
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] New file uploaded to RuGRiD-Laptop (verification)
text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Mike here,

I'm protecting myself from receiving junk mail.


Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails.
You won't have to do this again.

http://spamarrest.com/a?31045303:210986




Spam Arrest - Take control of your inbox!
http://spamarrest.com

------------------------------------------------------------
You are receiving this message in response to your email to
Mike, a Spam Arrest customer.

Spam Arrest requests that senders verify themselves before
their email is delivered.

When you click the above link, you will be taken to a page
with a graphic on it. Simply read the word in the graphic,
type it into the form, and you're verified.

You will only need to do this once per Spam Arrest customer.
------------------------------------------------------------

Yahoo! Message number: 629
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:00:03 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] New file uploaded to RuGRiD-Laptop (verification)
text/plain; charset=us-ascii

And you think this is going to stop the SPAM?  Most its going to do is
cause your friends problems because they are not going to be able to
send you email, if they happen to put something in a message that this
spam thing don't like then you won't get the mail.

Many ISP's are implementing this kind of stuff and  it is cause people
to miss all kinds of email.

The spammers are always one step ahead.


Mike wrote:

> Mike here,
>
> I'm protecting myself from receiving junk mail.
> Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails. You
> won't have to do this again. http://spamarrest.com/a?31045303:210986
>
>
>
>
> [Image]
>
> You are receiving this message in response to your email to Mike, a
> Spam Arrest customer.
>
> Spam Arrest requests that senders verify themselves before their email
> is delivered.
>
> When you click the above link, you will be taken to a page with a
> graphic on it. Simply read the word in the graphic, type it into the
> form, and you're verified.
>
> You will only need to do this once per Spam Arrest customer.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> RuGRiD-Laptop-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 630
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:19:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] New file uploaded to RuGRiD-Laptop (verification)

Len, Good to see you back on the list.
Yes, I agree, this is bad.  In fact, I have the power
to remove this individual.
If no one objects, he's gone.
-Shawn
--- "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@...> wrote:
> And you think this is going to stop the SPAM?  Most
> its going to do is
> cause your friends problems because they are not
> going to be able to
> send you email, if they happen to put something in a
> message that this
> spam thing don't like then you won't get the mail.
> 
> Many ISP's are implementing this kind of stuff and 
> it is cause people
> to miss all kinds of email.
> 
> The spammers are always one step ahead.
> 
> 
> Mike wrote:
> 
> > Mike here,
> >
> > I'm protecting myself from receiving junk mail.
> > Just this once, click the link below so I can
> receive your emails. You
> > won't have to do this again.
> http://spamarrest.com/a?31045303:210986
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Image]
> >
> > You are receiving this message in response to your
> email to Mike, a
> > Spam Arrest customer.
> >
> > Spam Arrest requests that senders verify
> themselves before their email
> > is delivered.
> >
> > When you click the above link, you will be taken
> to a page with a
> > graphic on it. Simply read the word in the
> graphic, type it into the
> > form, and you're verified.
> >
> > You will only need to do this once per Spam Arrest
> customer.
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > RuGRiD-Laptop-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
> Terms of Service.
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Yahoo! Message number: 631
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 23:01:48 -0000
From: "beirnan "
Subject: Re: Palmpad SL

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Robert C Wittig <rwittig@c...> 
wrote:
> Hello beirnan,
> 
> Monday, February 3, 2003, 5:33:34 AM, you wrote:
> 
> bgjn> Does anyone have a spare sundisk card for a GRiD Palmpad SL? 
If 
> bgjn> anyone does I'd be willing to buy it...
> bgjn> Also would it be possible to use a bigger card with more 
storage 
> bgjn> capacity with this thing?
> 
> 
> Try emailing northidaho@i...
> 
> This is a business. They were selling GRiD Pads and SunDisk cards on
> eBay a few months back, and I bought a few of each. On Rob's
> GRiDBoard, they said they had hundreds to sell, so they might still
> have some to offer.
> 
>  
> -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> A business is as honest as its advertising.
> .



I emailed them quite awhile ago, and got no response...

Yahoo! Message number: 632
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:59:33 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] New file uploaded to RuGRiD-Laptop (verification)

Well the thing is how long has he been on the list?  He posted the message
twice, makes me think he is new and if he is then chances are this is just ot
get people to click on that to get email addies so they can SPAM the people
that get sucked in.


Shawnerz wrote:

> Len, Good to see you back on the list.
> Yes, I agree, this is bad.  In fact, I have the power
> to remove this individual.
> If no one objects, he's gone.
> -Shawn
> --- "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@...> wrote:
> > And you think this is going to stop the SPAM?  Most
> > its going to do is
> > cause your friends problems because they are not
> > going to be able to
> > send you email, if they happen to put something in a
> > message that this
> > spam thing don't like then you won't get the mail.
> >
> > Many ISP's are implementing this kind of stuff and
> > it is cause people
> > to miss all kinds of email.
> >
> > The spammers are always one step ahead.
> >
> >
> > Mike wrote:
> >
> > > Mike here,
> > >
> > > I'm protecting myself from receiving junk mail.
> > > Just this once, click the link below so I can
> > receive your emails. You
> > > won't have to do this again.
> > http://spamarrest.com/a?31045303:210986
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Image]
> > >
> > > You are receiving this message in response to your
> > email to Mike, a
> > > Spam Arrest customer.
> > >
> > > Spam Arrest requests that senders verify
> > themselves before their email
> > > is delivered.
> > >
> > > When you click the above link, you will be taken
> > to a page with a
> > > graphic on it. Simply read the word in the
> > graphic, type it into the
> > > form, and you're verified.
> > >
> > > You will only need to do this once per Spam Arrest
> > customer.
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > RuGRiD-Laptop-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Yahoo! Message number: 633
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 03:35:25 -0000
From: "Shawnerz "
Subject: Only a test

This is a test

Yahoo! Message number: 634
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:48:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: SPAM law

By the way...

IF you live in the US AND you receive SPAM form a US source AND you have
aprinter attached to your machiene AND you have a scanner attached to
your machiene...  Lodeg a complaint to FCC.gov concering violations to
Title 47 Part 64.1200 subpart L   "No person may (a.2) send an
unsolicited advertisement to a facsimily machiene.

There is an $11000.00 per violation fine. :-)


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Yahoo! Message number: 635
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:32:19 -0600
From: Robert C Wittig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law

Hello Charles,

Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 10:48:46 PM, you wrote:

CF> By the way...

CF> IF you live in the US AND you receive SPAM form a US source AND you have
CF> aprinter attached to your machiene AND you have a scanner attached to
CF> your machiene...  Lodeg a complaint to FCC.gov concering violations to
CF> Title 47 Part 64.1200 subpart L   "No person may (a.2) send an
CF> unsolicited advertisement to a facsimily machiene.

CF> There is an $11000.00 per violation fine. :-)

Heh!

Now, if I was going to get any significant part of that $11K as a
bounty, for turning in the spammer, I might be willing to invest the
time, ink, and postage necessary, to pursue the matter.

 
-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
A business is as honest as its advertising.
.

Yahoo! Message number: 636
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:16:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law

This sort of thing is for the "advanced" vindictave revenge stage that
comes following a balegerent responce from the spamer.  (he's askin for
it) You get no more satisfaction from it then you would from kicking the
@$$ of your favorite video game.  :-)


--- Robert C Wittig <rwittig@...> wrote:
> Hello Charles,
> 
> Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 10:48:46 PM, you wrote:
> 
> CF> By the way...
> 
> CF> IF you live in the US AND you receive SPAM form a US source AND you
> have
> CF> aprinter attached to your machiene AND you have a scanner attached
> to
> CF> your machiene...  Lodeg a complaint to FCC.gov concering violations
> to
> CF> Title 47 Part 64.1200 subpart L   "No person may (a.2) send an
> CF> unsolicited advertisement to a facsimily machiene.
> 
> CF> There is an $11000.00 per violation fine. :-)
> 
> Heh!
> 
> Now, if I was going to get any significant part of that $11K as a
> bounty, for turning in the spammer, I might be willing to invest the
> time, ink, and postage necessary, to pursue the matter.
> 
>  
> -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
> A business is as honest as its advertising.
> .
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 637
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:33:15 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

does anyone have the emails sent to them about the email lists?
my personal response is to ask if they have my email address upon the list to remove it
and show me the proof!

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charles Ford
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law


  This sort of thing is for the "advanced" vindictave revenge stage that
  comes following a balegerent responce from the spamer.  (he's askin for
  it) You get no more satisfaction from it then you would from kicking the
  @$$ of your favorite video game.  :-)


  --- Robert C Wittig <rwittig@...> wrote:
  > Hello Charles,
  >
  > Tuesday, February 4, 2003, 10:48:46 PM, you wrote:
  >
  > CF> By the way...
  >
  > CF> IF you live in the US AND you receive SPAM form a US source AND you
  > have
  > CF> aprinter attached to your machiene AND you have a scanner attached
  > to
  > CF> your machiene...  Lodeg a complaint to FCC.gov concering violations
  > to
  > CF> Title 47 Part 64.1200 subpart L   "No person may (a.2) send an
  > CF> unsolicited advertisement to a facsimily machiene.
  >
  > CF> There is an $11000.00 per violation fine. :-)
  >
  > Heh!
  >
  > Now, if I was going to get any significant part of that $11K as a
  > bounty, for turning in the spammer, I might be willing to invest the
  > time, ink, and postage necessary, to pursue the matter.
  >
  >
  > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
  > A business is as honest as its advertising.
  > .
  >
  >


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Yahoo! Message number: 638
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:16:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law

--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> does anyone have the emails sent to them about the email lists?
> my personal response is to ask if they have my email address upon the
> list to remove it
> and show me the proof!
> 

I have gotten "advertize with us" messages.  I don't even respond to
those.  Just turn them in.  If SPAM was drugs the these guys are the
pushers.

Let me get a link to the on line form for that


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Yahoo! Message number: 639
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:28:32 -0600
From: Robert C Wittig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law

Hello Charles,

Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 9:16:45 AM, you wrote:

CF> This sort of thing is for the "advanced" vindictave revenge stage that
CF> comes following a balegerent responce from the spamer.  (he's askin for
CF> it) You get no more satisfaction from it then you would from kicking the
CF> @$$ of your favorite video game.  :-)

Heh! One of my email addys is abuse@... <g>

I get to see a whopping lot of spam, bounces, scams, and other
moron stuff from the server, and also deal with spamcop.org and other
RBL's, whenever anyone spoofs one of our headers in a spam, virus, or
occasionally, when someone actually sends spam from our domain.

Fortunately, I have most of this automated, or would go crazy.<g>

Printing and snail postage, though, I don't do... too expensive.

 
-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
A business is as honest as its advertising.
.

Yahoo! Message number: 640
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:54:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law

Pete,


> my personal response is to ask if they have my email
> address upon the list to remove it and show me the >
proof!

This does nothing more than validate your email
address.  It may remove you from *their* list, but
they could turn around and now sell your email address
to another company and have a validated address.
And, what if the spammer is running more than one
list?
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 641
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:26:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law

This is true...  I you are not going to undertake a rigerous campain of
spam shooting don't even comunicate with them.  et, al, Don't do anything
halfway.  All or nothing. 

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> Pete,
> 
> 
> > my personal response is to ask if they have my email
> > address upon the list to remove it and show me the >
> proof!
> 
> This does nothing more than validate your email
> address.  It may remove you from *their* list, but
> they could turn around and now sell your email address
> to another company and have a validated address.
> And, what if the spammer is running more than one
> list?
> -Shawn
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 642
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:02:29 -0600
From: Robert C Wittig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law

Hello Charles,

Wednesday, February 5, 2003, 12:26:36 PM, you wrote:

CF> This is true...  I you are not going to undertake a rigerous campain of
CF> spam shooting don't even comunicate with them.  et, al, Don't do anything
CF> halfway.  All or nothing.

I never communicate directly with a spammer. I only parse headers, and
then send copies of the spam (with full header) to the owner of the IP
address.

If I keep receiving spam from the IP, I next report them to ordb
or spamhaus, whichever seems appropriate.

 
-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
A business is as honest as its advertising.
.

Yahoo! Message number: 643
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:45:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] SPAM law

Ok...

The FCC spot for raging about this is here

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cib/fcc475.cfm

Be sure that you Unsolicited advertisement to a facsimile machine under
6.a and explain in the complaint section that it is SPAM and that you use
your computer as a fax..

You can only report if you can find a contact phone number.  This
varifies US jurisdiction and gives FCC a way to locate the violator.  

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Yahoo! Message number: 644
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 21:09:57 -0000
From: "bigwalk_ca "
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to RuGRiD-Laptop (verification)

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> Len, Good to see you back on the list.
> Yes, I agree, this is bad.  In fact, I have the power
> to remove this individual.
> If no one objects, he's gone.
> -Shawn

 This SPAM was initiated when I uploaded the EPROM files
and clicked on notify the list. It was already there when I
checked to see if the notification was on the message list.
He must have had a "notify when new files are added" and
then when coupled to the stupid anti-spam bot it immediately
kicked in. I had received the message several times when posting
to the list off-web and while annoyed, ignored it.

 I don't think it was maliscious spam, but just a newby going
along with some jerk's "brilliant antispam idea" and course a
clever way of garnering valid addresses from the compliant and
unsuspecting.( large authenticated address lists must go for big 
bucks). These intrusions are an all too prevalent and accepted 
corporate software practice now with all the newbies unaware
that you shouldn't have to conform to unsolicited requests.
Just like the blasted pop-ups and demands to install some crappy 
program, or you won't be able to use all the "wonderful" features
of some webpage. I got rid of Real Audio because of their over-
agressive marketing and contempt for users. 

 Have you contacted this guy to explain that this sort of intrusion 
is not acceptable on the net, and certainly verbotten on the web,
despite what the software company may say ?

 On another non-web mail-list I'm on, those using HTML, RTF, or
business cards were regularly flamed, and informed that text-only
is the etiquette on mail-lists, since some recipients only use Elm
as their email browser, and any attachments could also be a virus. 
Now a de-mimer program is in place that automatically strips 
formatted text or attachments.

 Over-all, for a web-based mail-list this has functioned quite well.
I rarely go on-line for it tho, and filter the email into a "Grid" 
folder.

Lawrence

Yahoo! Message number: 645
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:28:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: Shuttle Debris

--- Yakov Smirnoff <rockcast@...> wrote:
>      As long as the Chinese want to dominate space, we have no choice. 
> Rest assured that we will build another shuttle type to replace the
> current
> ones.  Maybe this one will replace the Intel 80286 computers and the
> Apple
> ][ 's with at least Athlon or Pentium types.  To be fair, I heard that
> they 
> were using '386s, but that is kinda 'old' to be used in such a machine.
>  On

Yup...  Somewhere out there in that field is sittin a few of em old GRiD 
1530s....   Probably still in one piece.


Do you think NASA could find a laptop that is that reliable.  mine has
never locked up running windows 311.    (except when I did something
wrong like shorted the external keyboard signals together)  



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Yahoo! Message number: 646
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:33:29 +0100 (MET)
From: Laust Brock-Nannestad
Subject: ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

Hi all,


I'm looking for information on which GRiD laptops are capabale of taking
ISA expansion cards. The information I can find on the net is a bit
sketchy, but the 1520/1530 appears to have an ISA slot, capable of taking
a full-length 16-bit card. What about the 1550sx? any others?

any info would be appreciated.


Regards,

Laust

Yahoo! Message number: 647
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:53:00 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

Laust,
I have 2 1520's and I used to have a 1550SX.  They do not have ISA
slots.  Perhaps, there is a docking station of external pod that has an
ISA slot.

Hey Charles/Lawrence, can the 1520 or 1550 accept an ISA slot?
-Shawn 

Laust Brock-Nannestad wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm looking for information on which GRiD laptops are capabale of taking
> ISA expansion cards. The information I can find on the net is a bit
> sketchy, but the 1520/1530 appears to have an ISA slot, capable of taking
> a full-length 16-bit card. What about the 1550sx? any others?
> 
> any info would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Laust
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 648
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 04:14:32 -0000
From: "johnet32001 "
Subject: 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

Hi, I am having trouble installing a harddrive into my gridcase 1520.
I have tried to locate a conner cp3022 or a cp3024 to replace the 
original with but can't find any.tried a seagate st3120a,computer 
will not detect it.downloaded one of seagates harddrive utility
programs and was able to see harddrive and format it but 1520 won't.
is there any way to force this drive into 1520's drive table?
i have tried the 1530rom program with no success. 
any help would be greatly welcomed.
John Trotter

Yahoo! Message number: 649
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:23:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Sanson
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

I have a 1520 that I am going to sell. Email me if you
are interested. I would consider it a parts machine
but the hard drive works perfect. 

Joe

--- "johnet32001 <johnet3@...>"
<johnet3@...> wrote:
> Hi, I am having trouble installing a harddrive into
> my gridcase 1520.
> I have tried to locate a conner cp3022 or a cp3024
> to replace the 
> original with but can't find any.tried a seagate
> st3120a,computer 
> will not detect it.downloaded one of seagates
> harddrive utility
> programs and was able to see harddrive and format it
> but 1520 won't.
> is there any way to force this drive into 1520's
> drive table?
> i have tried the 1530rom program with no success. 
> any help would be greatly welcomed.
> John Trotter
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 650
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:37:51 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

 Not to my knowledge. I'm receiving some 1520 manuals
shortly and maybe they will list all the options. I have the 
VGA pod and I know there were SCSI, and Ethernet ones
but of course the odds of finding them are pretty low.
 Robs Gridboard lists several others as well as some 3rd
party ones, including a General Purpose Interface Bus 
(ieee-488), fast serial, dual serial, analog-digital ones.

http://www.pd.com/GRiDpage.html

Lawrence 

On 13 Feb 2003, , Shawn wrote:

> Laust,
> I have 2 1520's and I used to have a 1550SX.  They do not
> have ISA slots.  Perhaps, there is a docking station of
> external pod that has an ISA slot.
> 
> Hey Charles/Lawrence, can the 1520 or 1550 accept an ISA
> slot? -Shawn 
> 
> Laust Brock-Nannestad wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm looking for information on which GRiD laptops are
> > capabale of taking ISA expansion cards. The information I
> > can find on the net is a bit sketchy, but the 1520/1530
> > appears to have an ISA slot, capable of taking a
> > full-length 16-bit card. What about the 1550sx? any
> > others?
> > 
> > any info would be appreciated.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Laust
> > 
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 651
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:46:29 -0800
From: "Dane Bruce"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?
text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Hey Lawrence,

Will You Be Posting The Manuals? ;) I'm Sure That Would Help Alot Of Us. did
you get them off ebay?

Dane

Yahoo! Message number: 652
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:18:42 +0100 (MET)
From: Laust Brock-Nannestad
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Shawn wrote:

> I have 2 1520's and I used to have a 1550SX.  They do not have ISA
> slots.  Perhaps, there is a docking station of external pod that has an
> ISA slot.

I see. I thought the 1520 had an ISA slot because of what's written on the
"virtual museum" page of griduk.com: "The GRiDCASE 1520 was also the first
portable PC to offer a peripheral bay with a full 16 bit ISA bus
interface.", but I suppose "ISA bus interface" does not equal an industry
standard ISA connector or even room for a real ISA card (although maybe
you can roll your own if it has the interface?).

I found one Usenet posting from someone who'd used a 1530 with a full
length ISA DSP card, so that one should be verified (sortof). But as I
said, details on these beasts are hard to find...


Regards,

Laust

Yahoo! Message number: 653
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:09:44 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

the unit has an add on pod that enables you to place a full length isa card in it, which is then connected to the GRiD
via a mini isa connector.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Laust Brock-Nannestad
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?


  On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Shawn wrote:

  > I have 2 1520's and I used to have a 1550SX.  They do not have ISA
  > slots.  Perhaps, there is a docking station of external pod that has an
  > ISA slot.

  I see. I thought the 1520 had an ISA slot because of what's written on the
  "virtual museum" page of griduk.com: "The GRiDCASE 1520 was also the first
  portable PC to offer a peripheral bay with a full 16 bit ISA bus
  interface.", but I suppose "ISA bus interface" does not equal an industry
  standard ISA connector or even room for a real ISA card (although maybe
  you can roll your own if it has the interface?).

  I found one Usenet posting from someone who'd used a 1530 with a full
  length ISA DSP card, so that one should be verified (sortof). But as I
  said, details on these beasts are hard to find...


  Regards,

  Laust

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Yahoo! Message number: 654
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:12:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

that would be a 1520EX 1530E or a 1535E

These units are made to ride on top of a module (doubling the size) that
contains one 8 bin and one 16 bit ISA slots.  

IT is best to leave these units assembled on the 'dock' as they seem to
get very pickey about the connection between the laptop and the dock.


 
--- Laust Brock-Nannestad <laustbn@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> I'm looking for information on which GRiD laptops are capabale of
> taking
> ISA expansion cards. The information I can find on the net is a bit
> sketchy, but the 1520/1530 appears to have an ISA slot, capable of
> taking
> a full-length 16-bit card. What about the 1550sx? any others?
> 
> any info would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Laust
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 655
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:14:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

Lawrence,
Where did you get the manuals?
-Shawn

--- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  Not to my knowledge. I'm receiving some 1520
> manuals shortly 

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Yahoo! Message number: 656
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:17:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

Has anybody made an efort towards a ROM mod for the 1520?


--- "johnet32001 <johnet3@...>" <johnet3@...> wrote:
> Hi, I am having trouble installing a harddrive into my gridcase 1520.
> I have tried to locate a conner cp3022 or a cp3024 to replace the 
> original with but can't find any.tried a seagate st3120a,computer 
> will not detect it.downloaded one of seagates harddrive utility
> programs and was able to see harddrive and format it but 1520 won't.
> is there any way to force this drive into 1520's drive table?
> i have tried the 1530rom program with no success. 
> any help would be greatly welcomed.
> John Trotter
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 657
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:17:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

Pete,
I heard a "pod" mentioned many times but what does it
connect to?
Also, is the mini ISA connector you're refering to on
the GRiD or the pod?
-Shawn

--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> the unit has an add on pod that enables you to place
> a full length isa card in it, which is then
> connected to the GRiD
> via a mini isa connector.

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Yahoo! Message number: 658
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:20:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

There is still the issue about schematics...

Many uf us would like to add our own options.  

For example I would dearly love to addapt my panasonic plasma VGA pannel
to fit my 1530...



--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> Lawrence,
> Where did you get the manuals?
> -Shawn
> 
> --- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
> >  Not to my knowledge. I'm receiving some 1520
> > manuals shortly 
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Yahoo! Message number: 659
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:23:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

John,
I saw the previous post of the other gentlemen
offering you his 1520.  If you decide not to take it,
you can force the 1520 to take the newer drive.  It
involves hex editing the BIOS, and an EEPROM
programmer.
The BIOS looks for only 4 types of Conner hard drives.
 If it's not on the list, the computer won't see it.
I have the instructions on another computer and I
won't be able to get to them until tonight or
tomorrow.
-Shawn

--- "johnet32001 <johnet3@...>"
<johnet3@...> wrote:
> Hi, I am having trouble installing a harddrive into
> my gridcase 1520.
> I have tried to locate a conner cp3022 or a cp3024
> to replace the 
> original with but can't find any.tried a seagate
> st3120a,computer 
> will not detect it.downloaded one of seagates
> harddrive utility
> programs and was able to see harddrive and format it
> but 1520 won't.
> is there any way to force this drive into 1520's
> drive table?
> i have tried the 1530rom program with no success. 
> any help would be greatly welcomed.
> John Trotter
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Yahoo! Message number: 660
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:46:12 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

 That's interesting stuff Charles. I haven't run across that
before. Damn, another Grid item on my wish list. Did they 
also have the Rugged metal case ?
 
 On the griduk.com site they have the newest Grid 
1580XL pics and specs. Oooh, I would kill for one.
Couldn't find a price and I guess if you have to ask you
can't afford one. Maybe they would accept your first-born.

 They say that the UK and Commonwealth Armed Forces
ordered them even before they were into production. If that
includes Canadian forces maybe 10 years down the line
some will come up for sale up here.

Lawrence

Lawrence

On 14 Feb 2003, , Charles Ford wrote:

> that would be a 1520EX 1530E or a 1535E
> 
> These units are made to ride on top of a module (doubling
> the size) that contains one 8 bin and one 16 bit ISA slots. 
> 
> 
> IT is best to leave these units assembled on the 'dock' as
> they seem to get very pickey about the connection between
> the laptop and the dock.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Laust Brock-Nannestad <laustbn@...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > 
> > I'm looking for information on which GRiD laptops are
> > capabale of taking ISA expansion cards. The information I
> > can find on the net is a bit sketchy, but the 1520/1530
> > appears to have an ISA slot, capable of taking a
> > full-length 16-bit card. What about the 1550sx? any
> > others?
> > 
> > any info would be appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Laust
> > 
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 661
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:46:12 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

 I thought it was only 4 Conner drives also, but on 
checking with Debug according to an old post on
Robs Gridboard by  Michael R. on June 25, 19101 at 
00:17:18: using  "d f000:f63c" it comes up with 6.
 types CP3022, CP3024, CP3044, CP3042, CP344 and 
CP3104.

 It was in referrence to a 1530, but my 1520 shows the 
same thing.

 I haven't compared his instructions to what's already in 
the list's file section but it might supplement what's 
already there for changing the BIOS EPROM and is only
a 4k text file. If it isn't the same and wouldn't cause 
confusion I could upload it. It could then just as easily
be deleted if Charles or the list thinks it's redundant or
if there's a problem since it was posted to Rob's board.

Lawrence


On 14 Feb 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:

> John,
> I saw the previous post of the other gentlemen
> offering you his 1520.  If you decide not to take it,
> you can force the 1520 to take the newer drive.  It
> involves hex editing the BIOS, and an EEPROM
> programmer.
> The BIOS looks for only 4 types of Conner hard drives.
>  If it's not on the list, the computer won't see it.
> I have the instructions on another computer and I
> won't be able to get to them until tonight or
> tomorrow.
> -Shawn
> 
> --- "johnet32001 <johnet3@...>"
> <johnet3@...> wrote:
> > Hi, I am having trouble installing a harddrive into
> > my gridcase 1520.
> > I have tried to locate a conner cp3022 or a cp3024
> > to replace the 
> > original with but can't find any.tried a seagate
> > st3120a,computer 
> > will not detect it.downloaded one of seagates
> > harddrive utility
> > programs and was able to see harddrive and format it
> > but 1520 won't.
> > is there any way to force this drive into 1520's
> > drive table?
> > i have tried the 1530rom program with no success. 
> > any help would be greatly welcomed.
> > John Trotter
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 662
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:46:12 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

 On E-Pay. A sniper drove the price up to $20 but either
gave up or time ran out. It also had some annoying buyer
restrictions. Had to be a USPS money order and he 
wouldn't ship to Canada. So a US friend bought and 
shipped off the M.O. and is receiving it and then sending 
it on to me. Twice the shipping costs
 Once I get the manuals I'll check out the feasability of
scanning them and making them available here.

Lawrence.

On 14 Feb 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:

> Lawrence,
> Where did you get the manuals?
> -Shawn
> 
> --- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
> >  Not to my knowledge. I'm receiving some 1520
> > manuals shortly 
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Yahoo! Message number: 663
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:55:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

That was for the 1530...

I have not compared it to the 1520 ROMs yet

--- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  I thought it was only 4 Conner drives also, but on 
> checking with Debug according to an old post on
> Robs Gridboard by  Michael R. on June 25, 19101 at 
> 00:17:18: using  "d f000:f63c" it comes up with 6.
>  types CP3022, CP3024, CP3044, CP3042, CP344 and 
> CP3104.
> 
>  It was in referrence to a 1530, but my 1520 shows the 
> same thing.
> 
>  I haven't compared his instructions to what's already in 
> the list's file section but it might supplement what's 
> already there for changing the BIOS EPROM and is only
> a 4k text file. If it isn't the same and wouldn't cause 
> confusion I could upload it. It could then just as easily
> be deleted if Charles or the list thinks it's redundant or
> if there's a problem since it was posted to Rob's board.
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> 
> On 14 Feb 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:
> 
> > John,
> > I saw the previous post of the other gentlemen
> > offering you his 1520.  If you decide not to take it,
> > you can force the 1520 to take the newer drive.  It
> > involves hex editing the BIOS, and an EEPROM
> > programmer.
> > The BIOS looks for only 4 types of Conner hard drives.
> >  If it's not on the list, the computer won't see it.
> > I have the instructions on another computer and I
> > won't be able to get to them until tonight or
> > tomorrow.
> > -Shawn
> > 
> > --- "johnet32001 <johnet3@...>"
> > <johnet3@...> wrote:
> > > Hi, I am having trouble installing a harddrive into
> > > my gridcase 1520.
> > > I have tried to locate a conner cp3022 or a cp3024
> > > to replace the 
> > > original with but can't find any.tried a seagate
> > > st3120a,computer 
> > > will not detect it.downloaded one of seagates
> > > harddrive utility
> > > programs and was able to see harddrive and format it
> > > but 1520 won't.
> > > is there any way to force this drive into 1520's
> > > drive table?
> > > i have tried the 1530rom program with no success. 
> > > any help would be greatly welcomed.
> > > John Trotter
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Yahoo! Message number: 664
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:29:32 -0600
From: Robert C Wittig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ISA-capable GRiD laptops?

Hello Lawrence,


Friday, February 14, 2003, 2:46:12 PM, you wrote:

LW>  On E-Pay.

Heh! I was bidding too, but the action was too rich for my blood!<g>

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Yahoo! Message number: 665
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:39:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

Yes, Lawrence, that was the post I was going to copy. 
But, here's a question: does anyone know why those are
the only drives it looks for?  What is special about
those model drives?  And, you're right, it is 6 models
of drives.
-Shawn
 
--- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  I thought it was only 4 Conner drives also, but on 
> checking with Debug according to an old post on
> Robs Gridboard by  Michael R. on June 25, 19101 at 
> 00:17:18: using  "d f000:f63c" it comes up with 6.
>  types CP3022, CP3024, CP3044, CP3042, CP344 and 
> CP3104.

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Yahoo! Message number: 666
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:57:13 -0000
From: "Dave "
Subject: using "overlay" for GRiD hard drives

This may have been discussed before, but I didn't see it in my search.
 Please forgive this newbie if it has.  I see a lot of discussion
about the BIOS of the Grids being particular about the hard drive
used.  In the past, in working with Zenith SupersPorts, the same issue
came up with me.  I was able to get around it somewhat, for some
versions of machines, by using the "overlay" software that came with
Quantum hard drives to kind of fool the bios into recognizing another
configuration of hard drive.

Has anyone tried such software on the GRiDs?  I would be willing to
try it but just haven't yet.  If there isn't anyone who has, the I
will when I have some time.  I have several versions of GRiDCase
systems.  Is it the 153X variety that most people are interested in?

Thanks.

Yahoo! Message number: 667
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 04:24:41 -0000
From: "johnet32001 "
Subject: Re: 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

Hi,I don't think i want to buy a harddrive just yet.
Thanks for offering though.
To Shawn,Hey that would be great,I'll look for your post.

Yahoo! Message number: 668
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:53:49 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

 Sorry I didn't put it better, but I did examine my 1520's
ROM at that location with Debug and it had those same 
Connor HDs listed.

Lawrence

On 14 Feb 2003, , Charles Ford wrote:

> That was for the 1530...
> 
> I have not compared it to the 1520 ROMs yet
> 
> --- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
> >  I thought it was only 4 Conner drives also, but on 
> > checking with Debug according to an old post on
> > Robs Gridboard by  Michael R. on June 25, 19101 at 
> > 00:17:18: using  "d f000:f63c" it comes up with 6.
> >  types CP3022, CP3024, CP3044, CP3042, CP344 and 
> > CP3104.
> > 
> >  It was in referrence to a 1530, but my 1520 shows the 
> > same thing.
> > 
> >  I haven't compared his instructions to what's already in 
> > the list's file section but it might supplement what's
> > already there for changing the BIOS EPROM and is only a 4k
> > text file. If it isn't the same and wouldn't cause
> > confusion I could upload it. It could then just as easily
> > be deleted if Charles or the list thinks it's redundant or
> > if there's a problem since it was posted to Rob's board.
> > 
> > Lawrence
> > 
> > 
> > On 14 Feb 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:
> > 
> > > John,
> > > I saw the previous post of the other gentlemen
> > > offering you his 1520.  If you decide not to take it,
> > > you can force the 1520 to take the newer drive.  It
> > > involves hex editing the BIOS, and an EEPROM programmer.
> > > The BIOS looks for only 4 types of Conner hard drives.
> > >  If it's not on the list, the computer won't see it.
> > > I have the instructions on another computer and I
> > > won't be able to get to them until tonight or
> > > tomorrow.
> > > -Shawn
> > > 
> > > --- "johnet32001 <johnet3@...>"
> > > <johnet3@...> wrote:
> > > > Hi, I am having trouble installing a harddrive into my
> > > > gridcase 1520. I have tried to locate a conner cp3022
> > > > or a cp3024 to replace the original with but can't
> > > > find any.tried a seagate st3120a,computer will not
> > > > detect it.downloaded one of seagates harddrive utility
> > > > programs and was able to see harddrive and format it
> > > > but 1520 won't. is there any way to force this drive
> > > > into 1520's drive table? i have tried the 1530rom
> > > > program with no success. any help would be greatly
> > > > welcomed. John Trotter
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Yahoo! Message number: 669
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:53:49 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] using "overlay" for GRiD hard drives

 Hi Dave, except for this list, you can hardly be called a
Grid newby. As you can see I uploaded your Gridcase
EPROM files you graciously sent me to the files section.

 I think most of us on this list are interested in the Grids
developed and sold by Grid, the last of which were the
15xx rugged grid models. 

 Most approaches to this problem of the small and flaky
Conner drives has focused on altering the EPROM BIOS
to accept other model Conner HDs and of course there is 
also the form factor (the Conner in the 1755 , DEC, and
TRS copies have a smaller Conner HD) and the 528 meg 
limitation. It also involves having access to an EPROM 
burner which few, including myself don't have. I think the
idea of using one of the overlays is great if one will work.

 I'm using an Ontrack overlay on the 10gig Samsung in
this box I'm writing this on, which uses that sort of 
approach. I also still have an old DOS OnTrack Disk 
Manager for Western Digital FM drives as well as 
Spinrite. HD disk managers are not new and surely there 
is one which could spoof the Grid 15xx BIOS. Since 
allegedly there was a modified Grid 15xx used as a 
controller on the original space shuttle I can't see NASA 
settling for an 80 meg HD.

 I don't know the Quantum one and will have to check out
their site, but if you're willing to try it, that would be lovely.

 BTW did you ever know any of the guys of GSCS a 
company formed by the last remaining employees of
GRiD Systems in Feb '94. Brad Loop and Jack Stoute
were a couple of the names I ran across on usenet.

 If any were still around and with fond memories of the 
real Grids they could be a good resource of info.

Lawrence
 

On 15 Feb 2003, , Dave davemabry@... wrote:

> This may have been discussed before, but I didn't see it in
> my search.
>  Please forgive this newbie if it has.  I see a lot of
>  discussion
> about the BIOS of the Grids being particular about the hard
> drive used.  In the past, in working with Zenith
> SupersPorts, the same issue came up with me.  I was able to
> get around it somewhat, for some versions of machines, by
> using the "overlay" software that came with Quantum hard
> drives to kind of fool the bios into recognizing another
> configuration of hard drive.
> 
> Has anyone tried such software on the GRiDs?  I would be
> willing to try it but just haven't yet.  If there isn't
> anyone who has, the I will when I have some time.  I have
> several versions of GRiDCase systems.  Is it the 153X
> variety that most people are interested in?
> 
> Thanks.
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Yahoo! Message number: 670
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:29:16 -0000
From: "Dave "
Subject: Burning EPROMs for GRiD

I see that Lawrence has uploaded a program to create ROM images for
the ROM sockets for GRiDCase models that have them.  I was just
wondering if anyone here has tried to use it.  I've used it many times
in the past, mostly for GRiDCase, GRiDCase 2, GRiDCase 3, the 8088 (or
is it 8086) versions.  It is kind of neat to see a computer with no
hard drive, no floppy in the drive, boot to dos and allow some of the
early dos software to be run.  The last time I did that I had Lotus
123 in EPROMs and could run the computer with a RAMDISK for files.
Today, of course, it isn't much more than a novelty, but fun
nonetheless.  So, has anyone used the ROMBUILD program that Lawrence
uploaded?  Any comments or questions that I might be able to help with?

Yahoo! Message number: 671
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:36:22 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

Sorry,
I was away from the computer for a few days.  Here's the original post:
Hello everybody,

I found a way to connect a Conner CFS210A Harddisk to my GRiDCASE 1530.
(Yes, I have a 200MB HDD AND a 3,5" FDD in my GRiDCASE!) I think it
should
work with each Conner Harddisk which fits mechanically and is below the
520MB border.
The trick is, you have to patch the BIOS.

One (or a few more ;-)) word before you start patching your EPROM:

DON'T USE THE ORIGINAL BIOS EPROMS OR MAKE A BACKUP OF YOUR BIOS EPROMS!
YOU MAKE ALL CHANGES ON YOUR OWN RISK!
Note the Checksum of each original EPROM, you need it later on.

How the BIOS works:
My GRiDCASE has the Version "80386 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 10/25/89".
First the BIOS uses the Harddisk-command ECh to identify it; then it
looks into the identification for the Harddisk-type and compares this
with a BIOS-internal table of
allowed Harddisk. In my BIOS the table starts at F000:F63C and includes
the following types CP3022, CP3024, CP3044, CP3042, CP344 and CP3104.
You can check
this with DOS debug and using "d f000:f63c" it corresponds with the
EPROM-address 763Ch in byte- and 3B1Eh in word-mode.
Then there must be a second table with six pointers, one for each
HDD-type, I didn't search for this table till now, because I found a
workaround by chance.
This pointer points to an entry in a third table, the table of
HDD-parameters. It starts at BIOS-address F000:E400, EPROM-address 6400h
in byte- and 3200h in
word-mode. Each entry is 16 (10h) bytes long. Then the BIOS uses this
parameters.

Now to the solution. You have to change three points into the BIOS:
1. the HDD-type; 2. the parameter entry; 3. the BIOS-checksum.

Step 1:
I changed the first and the second entry in the type-table (3B1Eh):
The original content was (in ASCII):
CP3022CP3024CP3044CP3042CP344CP3104
to the following:
CFS210ACP344CP3044CP3042CP344CP3104
The first entry is the type of the HDD you will use (for me CFS210A), I
changed the second entry to another valid entry (CP344). So I didn't
change the table length
and all enntries are valid. You may change more then this entrys, but
use only valid entries and don't change the table length.

Step 2:
By chance I found out, that entry two in the parameter-table belongs to
entry one in the type-table. Entry two starts at BIOS-address F000:E410,
EPROM-address
6410h in byte- and 3208h in word-mode.

The CFS210A HDD has the following parameters:
Cyl 685 2ADh
Hds 16 10h
WPComp 0 0h
LZone 2477 9ADh
Sect 38 26h

meaning ? Cyl Hds ? ? WPComp ? ? ? ? ? LZone Sect
original entry 00 | 67 02 | 04 | 00 00 | 2C 01 | 00 00 00 00 00 | 67 02
| 11
patched entry 00 | AD 02 | 10 | 00 00 | 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 00 | AD 09 |
26

Remember, you have to exchange high and low byte (Cyl, WPComp and
LZone).

Step 3:
Change the checksum of each EPROM to the original value. By making the
above patches, you changed the checksum of the EPROMs. I used a trick to
restore the
original values. At the beginning of each EPROM is a string with a
copyright note "Copyright 1985,1986 Phoenix Technologies Ltd.". You may
change this strings in a
form, that brings you back to the original checksum. This string is only
(and not more) a copyright note. The checksum of my even-EPROM is F600h
and of the
odd-EPROM is 8600h.

May be you can help me, I am looking for a battery slide in module (is
it the correct formulation?) for my 1530 because it came without one and
for an ethernet adapter. 
If you have documentation about the connectors, specially the internal
and the external peripheral or if you find out more about connecting
HDD's, please mail it to me.

Please, don't use this information commercially (without giving me a
little bonus ;-}), I worked hard for two days to find out this
informations!

I wish you good luck and success, many greetings from germany

Michael

"johnet32001 " wrote:
> 
> Hi,I don't think i want to buy a harddrive just yet.
> Thanks for offering though.
> To Shawn,Hey that would be great,I'll look for your post.

Yahoo! Message number: 672
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:24:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: 1520 Gridcase Harddrive??

The following link contain a program <.exe> and qbasic source code for
generating 1530 ROMs.  It was written using the method form this post.

IF someonw wants to edit it for 1520 ROMS I have absolutely no problem
(why I included the source)  it is fully commented IIRC so it should be a
simple matter to edit the bios file names and and addresses for the 1520

Go for it.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/1530ROM.zip


--- Shawn <Shawnerz@...> wrote:
> Sorry,
> I was away from the computer for a few days.  Here's the original post:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I found a way to connect a Conner CFS210A Harddisk to my GRiDCASE 1530.
> (Yes, I have a 200MB HDD AND a 3,5" FDD in my GRiDCASE!) I think it
> should
> work with each Conner Harddisk which fits mechanically and is below the
> 520MB border.
> The trick is, you have to patch the BIOS.
> 
> One (or a few more ;-)) word before you start patching your EPROM:
> 
> DON'T USE THE ORIGINAL BIOS EPROMS OR MAKE A BACKUP OF YOUR BIOS
> EPROMS!
> YOU MAKE ALL CHANGES ON YOUR OWN RISK!
> Note the Checksum of each original EPROM, you need it later on.
> 
> How the BIOS works:
> My GRiDCASE has the Version "80386 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 10/25/89".
> First the BIOS uses the Harddisk-command ECh to identify it; then it
> looks into the identification for the Harddisk-type and compares this
> with a BIOS-internal table of
> allowed Harddisk. In my BIOS the table starts at F000:F63C and includes
> the following types CP3022, CP3024, CP3044, CP3042, CP344 and CP3104.
> You can check
> this with DOS debug and using "d f000:f63c" it corresponds with the
> EPROM-address 763Ch in byte- and 3B1Eh in word-mode.
> Then there must be a second table with six pointers, one for each
> HDD-type, I didn't search for this table till now, because I found a
> workaround by chance.
> This pointer points to an entry in a third table, the table of
> HDD-parameters. It starts at BIOS-address F000:E400, EPROM-address
> 6400h
> in byte- and 3200h in
> word-mode. Each entry is 16 (10h) bytes long. Then the BIOS uses this
> parameters.
> 
> Now to the solution. You have to change three points into the BIOS:
> 1. the HDD-type; 2. the parameter entry; 3. the BIOS-checksum.
> 
> Step 1:
> I changed the first and the second entry in the type-table (3B1Eh):
> The original content was (in ASCII):
> CP3022CP3024CP3044CP3042CP344CP3104
> to the following:
> CFS210ACP344CP3044CP3042CP344CP3104
> The first entry is the type of the HDD you will use (for me CFS210A), I
> changed the second entry to another valid entry (CP344). So I didn't
> change the table length
> and all enntries are valid. You may change more then this entrys, but
> use only valid entries and don't change the table length.
> 
> Step 2:
> By chance I found out, that entry two in the parameter-table belongs to
> entry one in the type-table. Entry two starts at BIOS-address
> F000:E410,
> EPROM-address
> 6410h in byte- and 3208h in word-mode.
> 
> The CFS210A HDD has the following parameters:
> Cyl 685 2ADh
> Hds 16 10h
> WPComp 0 0h
> LZone 2477 9ADh
> Sect 38 26h
> 
> meaning ? Cyl Hds ? ? WPComp ? ? ? ? ? LZone Sect
> original entry 00 | 67 02 | 04 | 00 00 | 2C 01 | 00 00 00 00 00 | 67 02
> | 11
> patched entry 00 | AD 02 | 10 | 00 00 | 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 00 | AD 09
> |
> 26
> 
> Remember, you have to exchange high and low byte (Cyl, WPComp and
> LZone).
> 
> Step 3:
> Change the checksum of each EPROM to the original value. By making the
> above patches, you changed the checksum of the EPROMs. I used a trick
> to
> restore the
> original values. At the beginning of each EPROM is a string with a
> copyright note "Copyright 1985,1986 Phoenix Technologies Ltd.". You may
> change this strings in a
> form, that brings you back to the original checksum. This string is
> only
> (and not more) a copyright note. The checksum of my even-EPROM is F600h
> and of the
> odd-EPROM is 8600h.
> 
> May be you can help me, I am looking for a battery slide in module (is
> it the correct formulation?) for my 1530 because it came without one
> and
> for an ethernet adapter. 
> If you have documentation about the connectors, specially the internal
> and the external peripheral or if you find out more about connecting
> HDD's, please mail it to me.
> 
> Please, don't use this information commercially (without giving me a
> little bonus ;-}), I worked hard for two days to find out this
> informations!
> 
> I wish you good luck and success, many greetings from germany
> 
> Michael
> 
> "johnet32001 " wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,I don't think i want to buy a harddrive just yet.
> > Thanks for offering though.
> > To Shawn,Hey that would be great,I'll look for your post.
> 
> 


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Yahoo! Message number: 673
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 03:42:11 -0000
From: "johnet32001 "
Subject: harddrive??

Shawn,I don't want to sound stupid but i dont know how to change 
any entry's in bios. How do you read in word mode?
What would a seagate st3120a's parameters be?
The spec's are 1024 cyl, 12 heads, 17 sectors.
sorry if this a bother.

John

Yahoo! Message number: 674
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:51:30 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] harddrive??

John,
I haven't done this so I'm not exactly sure myself.  But what I do know
is you have open the laptop and pull the BIOS EPROM.  You need an EPROM
reader dump the EPROM contents to a file.  Then edit that file with a
hex editor.  You change the file with the editor, the burn the file back
into an EPROM.
Sorry, that's about all I know.
Perhaps there's someone else on the list that has more specific
information.
-Shawn

"johnet32001 " wrote:
> 
> Shawn,I don't want to sound stupid but i dont know how to change
> any entry's in bios. How do you read in word mode?
> What would a seagate st3120a's parameters be?
> The spec's are 1024 cyl, 12 heads, 17 sectors.
> sorry if this a bother.
> 
> John

Yahoo! Message number: 675
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 04:37:40 -0000
From: "John Trotter "
Subject: Re: harddrive??

Thanks Shawn,i think i'll look for a replacement drive.
I got everything else to work.cmos battery,back light,floppy drive.
just like messing with this old laptop.
when you tell people when it was made or what it's made of they can't 
believe it.
Thanks again
John

Yahoo! Message number: 676
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:00:40 -0000
From: "beirnan "
Subject: What the heck is this?!

Saw these things on eBay, thought someone here might recognize them. 
Anyone know what they are?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=3402159306&category=162

Yahoo! Message number: 677
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:57:04 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] What the heck is this?!

BS valuation at $40. nothing special an certainly not
with the case we all value.

 lawrence

On 18 Feb 2003, , beirnan gkbennett@... wrote:

> Saw these things on eBay, thought someone here might
> recognize them. Anyone know what they are?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=3402159306&category=162
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Yahoo! Message number: 678
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:57:04 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] harddrive??

 You need an Eprom burner if you want to change the
BIOS that is on the removable BIOS chip in the Grid. This 
is electrically impinted on the BIOS chip much like later
flash bios programs allowed you to upgrade CPU 
operating system BIOS's, or slower modem BIOS chips. 
You can "read" the existing BIOS in the Grid or most 
computers with requests using the DOS program Debug.

You figure out the necessary changes needed as shown
in many of the docs or simply inserting the changes you
need in the program forms from the executable program.
This "BIOS" is stored on disk, HD or Floppy, and is then 
transmitted serially to the Eprom burner, and the EProm 
burner electrically  "burns" or makes the programical 
instructions you have recorded on your disk BIOS, based
on an electronic path within the EPROM BIOS chip. This 
is the bootstrap instructions that then are taken further by
the operating system.

Lawrence

On 17 Feb 2003, , Shawn wrote:

> John,
> I haven't done this so I'm not exactly sure myself.  But
> what I do know is you have open the laptop and pull the BIOS
> EPROM.  You need an EPROM reader dump the EPROM contents to
> a file.  Then edit that file with a hex editor.  You change
> the file with the editor, the burn the file back into an
> EPROM. Sorry, that's about all I know. Perhaps there's
> someone else on the list that has more specific information.
> -Shawn
> 
> "johnet32001 " wrote:
> > 
> > Shawn,I don't want to sound stupid but i dont know how to
> > change any entry's in bios. How do you read in word mode?
> > What would a seagate st3120a's parameters be? The spec's
> > are 1024 cyl, 12 heads, 17 sectors. sorry if this a
> > bother.
> > 
> > John
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Yahoo! Message number: 679
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:07:36 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: more on overlays

 Dave Mabry brought up the possibility of using overlays
to overcome the HD limitations on the Grids.

 In going thru my culls from usenet I ran across one 
posted in 96 in which the poster mentions that he was
using OnTrack's Disk manager to overcome the small
Conner HD limitations on his 1450, as follows.

> I have a GRiD 1450sx myself, it only supports 20 and
> 40 megs drives, but in mine theres now a 720MB drive. 
> How? Ontrack disk manager and a homemade adapter.

> I don't know if you'll need the adapter, if your HDD  
> cable is now 44 strands (is that correct jargon?) 
> you'll probably not need it. If you do, I can give you 
> directions to make it, 

 The HD limitations in the 1420 BIOS were similar to 
the 1520. OnTrack made several versions of the Disk 
Manager. I have an old one for Western Digital MFM 
drives which of course wouldn't work with the IDE drives 
in the 1520. If one could obtain a suitable version of
Disk Manager or the Quantum one as Dave suggested,
this could be a solution which wouldn't entail the problems
for those of us that don't have access to an EPROM 
burner to change the BIOS. I don't know if it might also 
have a need for a 40 to 44 pin adapter. Anyone know the 
# of pins on the 1520 HD socket, to save me opening up 
my 1520 innards once more ? Or  more important, have a 
pre 1996 version of Disk Manager ?

Lawrence

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Yahoo! Message number: 680
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:56:59 -0000
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jake_Jammin=A9_?=
Subject: New GridCase user here,,, HELP!!

Ok I just got this GridCase 1520.
What do I need to boot it??? can someone email me the files to get 
it to boot to floppy???
I have tryed a 98 startup disk with no luck.
It gives me BOOT ERROR: no system file, press a key to reboot.
Can someone help PLEASE!
Thanks,
Jake Jammin

Yahoo! Message number: 681
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:12:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] New GridCase user here,,, HELP!!

Jake,
It sounds like there is an internal hard drive that
may be frozen/not responding/bad.
Try to get to to boot from floppy by turning the
computer on, wait for the first beep, then press and
hold the 'f' key.
After a while, it should try to boot from floppy.
You may have to open the case and disconnect the HD
from the motherboard so it no longer sees the HD.
To do that, remove the plastic feet at the rear of the
unit (near the serial and parallel ports.  Under each
of those feet, there should be a screw.  Remove the
screws and the top case should slide to the rear and
up for removal (with a little wiggling).
The HD is at the top right corner under the floppy (if
it's installed).
Good luck and let us know how you make out.
-Shawn

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> Ok I just got this GridCase 1520.
> What do I need to boot it??? can someone email me
> the files to get 
> it to boot to floppy???
> I have tryed a 98 startup disk with no luck.
> It gives me BOOT ERROR: no system file, press a key
> to reboot.
> Can someone help PLEASE!
> Thanks,
> Jake Jammin
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Yahoo! Message number: 682
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:53:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more on overlays

Lawrence and all,
Obviously, overlays work, but I don't understand how. 
Maybe someone can educate me.
>From what I understand, you turn on your computer. 
The computer does a Power-On Self Test (or POST) and
then starts reading Basic Input Output System or
"BIOS".  As a part of the BIOS read in, the
microprocessor (through BIOS) quiries the hard drive
to find what model it is.  After the BIOS is read,
then the Operating System (or OS) is loaded.  
Part of the info that is stored in GRiD BIOS EPROM is
the drive model number and (more importantly) hard
drive geometery.  That geometery is the Cylinder,
Head, and Sector (or CHS) information so when BIOS
tells the microprocessor to start reading from track
63 to load in the OS, the microprocessor figures out
which cylinder to go to, which head to use, and which
sector to start reading from.
>From what it sounds like, this "overlay" would reside
on the hard drive and "trick" the microprocessor into
thinking it was talking to a drive it knows.  

Finally, my questions: (1) how can a microprocessor
load the overlay (and OS) from a hard drive if track
63 is in a some other physical spot on the new hard
drive?
(2) From what I understand, the microprocessor to
BIOS, and BIOS to hard drive communication is
independant of any user input.  Further, the
microprocessor is requesting infromation that is
stored in an EPROM in BIOS and an EPROM on the hard
drive.  EPROM's are (more or less) "write once"
devices.  How is an overlay going to change values
that are hard coded in an EPROM?

Can someone explain how this overlay can work? 

Thanks,
-Shawn 


--- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  Dave Mabry brought up the possibility of using
> overlays
> to overcome the HD limitations on the Grids.


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Yahoo! Message number: 683
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:42:15 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more on overlays

Well as I understand it an overlay is an interpreter,

Me = harddrive = english
You = bios = french
Lawrence = overlay = translator

Somewhere Lawrence is doing the job of translating so that you and I can talk
to each other.

I hope this helps.

Cheers

Len


Shawnerz wrote:

> Lawrence and all,
> Obviously, overlays work, but I don't understand how.
> Maybe someone can educate me.
> >From what I understand, you turn on your computer.
> The computer does a Power-On Self Test (or POST) and
> then starts reading Basic Input Output System or
> "BIOS".  As a part of the BIOS read in, the
> microprocessor (through BIOS) quiries the hard drive
> to find what model it is.  After the BIOS is read,
> then the Operating System (or OS) is loaded.
> Part of the info that is stored in GRiD BIOS EPROM is
> the drive model number and (more importantly) hard
> drive geometery.  That geometery is the Cylinder,
> Head, and Sector (or CHS) information so when BIOS
> tells the microprocessor to start reading from track
> 63 to load in the OS, the microprocessor figures out
> which cylinder to go to, which head to use, and which
> sector to start reading from.
> >From what it sounds like, this "overlay" would reside
> on the hard drive and "trick" the microprocessor into
> thinking it was talking to a drive it knows.
>
> Finally, my questions: (1) how can a microprocessor
> load the overlay (and OS) from a hard drive if track
> 63 is in a some other physical spot on the new hard
> drive?
> (2) From what I understand, the microprocessor to
> BIOS, and BIOS to hard drive communication is
> independant of any user input.  Further, the
> microprocessor is requesting infromation that is
> stored in an EPROM in BIOS and an EPROM on the hard
> drive.  EPROM's are (more or less) "write once"
> devices.  How is an overlay going to change values
> that are hard coded in an EPROM?
>
> Can someone explain how this overlay can work?
>
> Thanks,
> -Shawn
>
> --- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
> >  Dave Mabry brought up the possibility of using
> > overlays
> > to overcome the HD limitations on the Grids.
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Yahoo! Message number: 684
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:31:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more on overlays

Yes, but as I understand it, the overlay resides on
the harddrive that the controller can't talk to
because the OS hasn't been loaded because the overlay
hasn't been loaded.
-Shawn

--- "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@...> wrote:
> Well as I understand it an overlay is an
> interpreter,
> 
> Me = harddrive = english
> You = bios = french
> Lawrence = overlay = translator
> 
> Somewhere Lawrence is doing the job of translating
> so that you and I can talk
> to each other.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Len
> 
> 
> Shawnerz wrote:
> 
> > Lawrence and all,
> > Obviously, overlays work, but I don't understand
> how.
> > Maybe someone can educate me.
> > >From what I understand, you turn on your
> computer.
> > The computer does a Power-On Self Test (or POST)
> and
> > then starts reading Basic Input Output System or
> > "BIOS".  As a part of the BIOS read in, the
> > microprocessor (through BIOS) quiries the hard
> drive
> > to find what model it is.  After the BIOS is read,
> > then the Operating System (or OS) is loaded.
> > Part of the info that is stored in GRiD BIOS EPROM
> is
> > the drive model number and (more importantly) hard
> > drive geometery.  That geometery is the Cylinder,
> > Head, and Sector (or CHS) information so when BIOS
> > tells the microprocessor to start reading from
> track
> > 63 to load in the OS, the microprocessor figures
> out
> > which cylinder to go to, which head to use, and
> which
> > sector to start reading from.
> > >From what it sounds like, this "overlay" would
> reside
> > on the hard drive and "trick" the microprocessor
> into
> > thinking it was talking to a drive it knows.
> >
> > Finally, my questions: (1) how can a
> microprocessor
> > load the overlay (and OS) from a hard drive if
> track
> > 63 is in a some other physical spot on the new
> hard
> > drive?
> > (2) From what I understand, the microprocessor to
> > BIOS, and BIOS to hard drive communication is
> > independant of any user input.  Further, the
> > microprocessor is requesting infromation that is
> > stored in an EPROM in BIOS and an EPROM on the
> hard
> > drive.  EPROM's are (more or less) "write once"
> > devices.  How is an overlay going to change values
> > that are hard coded in an EPROM?
> >
> > Can someone explain how this overlay can work?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Shawn
> >
> > --- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
> > >  Dave Mabry brought up the possibility of using
> > > overlays
> > > to overcome the HD limitations on the Grids.
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 685
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:32:00 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more on overlays

 I have an "Overlay" on the 10gig HD on my P200 to 
enable it to overcome the HD size limitations of my 
BIOS. It is a program Ontrack, the makers of Disk 
Manager, supply to various HD manufacturers. From my 
limited understanding of it, it spoofs the BIOS into thinking
that it has a smaller drive than it really has. After the 
POST and accessing the HD Master Boot Record it
executes the overlay, just as Dual Boot systems do
to enable you to choose what system you want to boot 
with, such as MSDos, OS/2, Linux, etc.. I believe the
Linux boots generally use a program called LILO.
 Disk doubler and other such programs are also
overlays I believe. Most virus's install themselves in
the MBR and some anti-virus programs will falsely identify
the overlays as a virus. I have an old DOS version of
Norton's DD that allowed you to read the MBR. Can't
remember whether it would also allow you to alter it.

 The down side is that sometimes it is difficult to remove 
the overlay and you lose functionality of that HD altho
it can usually be salvaged with FDisk. 

 The readme file from my installation disk gives a more
detailed explanation which I could forward to you if you
wish.

Lawrence

On 21 Feb 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:

> Lawrence and all,
> Obviously, overlays work, but I don't understand how. 
> Maybe someone can educate me.
> From what I understand, you turn on your computer. 
> The computer does a Power-On Self Test (or POST) and
> then starts reading Basic Input Output System or
> "BIOS".  As a part of the BIOS read in, the
> microprocessor (through BIOS) quiries the hard drive
> to find what model it is.  After the BIOS is read,
> then the Operating System (or OS) is loaded.  
> Part of the info that is stored in GRiD BIOS EPROM is
> the drive model number and (more importantly) hard
> drive geometery.  That geometery is the Cylinder,
> Head, and Sector (or CHS) information so when BIOS
> tells the microprocessor to start reading from track
> 63 to load in the OS, the microprocessor figures out
> which cylinder to go to, which head to use, and which
> sector to start reading from.
> From what it sounds like, this "overlay" would reside
> on the hard drive and "trick" the microprocessor into
> thinking it was talking to a drive it knows.  
> 
> Finally, my questions: (1) how can a microprocessor
> load the overlay (and OS) from a hard drive if track
> 63 is in a some other physical spot on the new hard
> drive?
> (2) From what I understand, the microprocessor to
> BIOS, and BIOS to hard drive communication is
> independant of any user input.  Further, the
> microprocessor is requesting infromation that is
> stored in an EPROM in BIOS and an EPROM on the hard
> drive.  EPROM's are (more or less) "write once"
> devices.  How is an overlay going to change values
> that are hard coded in an EPROM?
> 
> Can someone explain how this overlay can work? 
> 
> Thanks,
> -Shawn 
> 
> 
> --- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
> >  Dave Mabry brought up the possibility of using
> > overlays
> > to overcome the HD limitations on the Grids.
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 686
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:32:00 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] New GridCase user here,,, HELP!!

 On my 1520s when the HD "sticks" it makes repeated
efforts to read the HD until shut down. There is a sytem
boot file in the files section that can be downloaded and
transferred to floppy on a Windoze 98 box. He can try
loading this using the F-key at the beep.

 I haven't tried, nor would I, using a Win 98 startup disk
on a basicly DOS machine for startup. I would suggest
he get a book on MSDOS before trying to use a 1520.
 Not all the world of computers is Windoze and "Gasp"
some of it is not even Micro-Sloth.

Lawrence

On 20 Feb 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:

> Jake,
> It sounds like there is an internal hard drive that
> may be frozen/not responding/bad.
> Try to get to to boot from floppy by turning the
> computer on, wait for the first beep, then press and
> hold the 'f' key.
> After a while, it should try to boot from floppy.
> You may have to open the case and disconnect the HD
> from the motherboard so it no longer sees the HD.
> To do that, remove the plastic feet at the rear of the
> unit (near the serial and parallel ports.  Under each
> of those feet, there should be a screw.  Remove the
> screws and the top case should slide to the rear and
> up for removal (with a little wiggling).
> The HD is at the top right corner under the floppy (if
> it's installed).
> Good luck and let us know how you make out.
> -Shawn
>
> --- Jake_Jammin©_ <jakejammin@...>,
> UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERRO wrote:
> > Ok I just got this GridCase 1520.
> > What do I need to boot it??? can someone email me
> > the files to get
> > it to boot to floppy???
> > I have tryed a 98 startup disk with no luck.
> > It gives me BOOT ERROR: no system file, press a key
> > to reboot.
> > Can someone help PLEASE!
> > Thanks,
> > Jake Jammin
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 687
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 02:57:28 -0000
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jake_Jammin=A9_?=
Subject: Re: New GridCase user here,,, HELP!!

Thank you guys for helping me out.
the hard drive was stuck!
but got it going and was able to load dos and up and running!
Thank you again!!!!!!!
Jake









--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Lawrence Walker"
<lgwalker@m...> wrote:
>  On my 1520s when the HD "sticks" it makes repeated
> efforts to read the HD until shut down. There is a sytem
> boot file in the files section that can be downloaded and
> transferred to floppy on a Windoze 98 box. He can try
> loading this using the F-key at the beep.
>
>  I haven't tried, nor would I, using a Win 98 startup disk
> on a basicly DOS machine for startup. I would suggest
> he get a book on MSDOS before trying to use a 1520.
>  Not all the world of computers is Windoze and "Gasp"
> some of it is not even Micro-Sloth.
>
> Lawrence
>
> On 20 Feb 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:
>
> > Jake,
> > It sounds like there is an internal hard drive that
> > may be frozen/not responding/bad.
> > Try to get to to boot from floppy by turning the
> > computer on, wait for the first beep, then press and
> > hold the 'f' key.
> > After a while, it should try to boot from floppy.
> > You may have to open the case and disconnect the HD
> > from the motherboard so it no longer sees the HD.
> > To do that, remove the plastic feet at the rear of the
> > unit (near the serial and parallel ports.  Under each
> > of those feet, there should be a screw.  Remove the
> > screws and the top case should slide to the rear and
> > up for removal (with a little wiggling).
> > The HD is at the top right corner under the floppy (if
> > it's installed).
> > Good luck and let us know how you make out.
> > -Shawn
> >
> > --- Jake_Jammin©_ <jakejammin@y...>,
> > UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.... wrote:
> > > Ok I just got this GridCase 1520.
> > > What do I need to boot it??? can someone email me
> > > the files to get
> > > it to boot to floppy???
> > > I have tryed a 98 startup disk with no luck.
> > > It gives me BOOT ERROR: no system file, press a key
> > > to reboot.
> > > Can someone help PLEASE!
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jake Jammin
> > >
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Yahoo! Message number: 688
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:36:56 -0600
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: New GridCase user here,,, HELP!!

 Good ! Those blankety-blank Conner drives are the
achilles heel on an otherwise great computer.

Lawrence

On 22 Feb 2003, , Jake Jammin© jakejammin@yahoo wrote:

> Thank you guys for helping me out.
> the hard drive was stuck!
> but got it going and was able to load dos and up and
> running! Thank you again!!!!!!! Jake
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Lawrence Walker"
> <lgwalker@m...> wrote: >  On my 1520s when the HD "sticks"
> it makes repeated > efforts to read the HD until shut down.
> There is a sytem > boot file in the files section that can
> be downloaded and > transferred to floppy on a Windoze 98
> box. He can try > loading this using the F-key at the beep.
> > >  I haven't tried, nor would I, using a Win 98 startup
> disk > on a basicly DOS machine for startup. I would suggest
> > he get a book on MSDOS before trying to use a 1520. >  Not
> all the world of computers is Windoze and "Gasp" > some of
> it is not even Micro-Sloth. > > Lawrence > > On 20 Feb 2003,
> , Shawnerz wrote: > > > Jake, > > It sounds like there is an
> internal hard drive that > > may be frozen/not
> responding/bad. > > Try to get to to boot from floppy by
> turning the > > computer on, wait for the first beep, then
> press and > > hold the 'f' key. > > After a while, it should
> try to boot from floppy. > > You may have to open the case
> and disconnect the HD > > from the motherboard so it no
> longer sees the HD. > > To do that, remove the plastic feet
> at the rear of the > > unit (near the serial and parallel
> ports.  Under each > > of those feet, there should be a
> screw.  Remove the > > screws and the top case should slide
> to the rear and > > up for removal (with a little wiggling).
> > > The HD is at the top right corner under the floppy (if >
> > it's installed). > > Good luck and let us know how you
> make out. > > -Shawn > > > > --- Jake_Jammin©_
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Yahoo! Message number: 689
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:53:51 -0000
From: "androgenoide"
Subject: grid 1550sx

Here's the story:
I thought the 1550sx would be the DOS machine I really wanted.  It 
took some hunting and a couple mis-buys before I found one with the 
plasma display and big harddrive.  I reformatted,loaded it with the 
goodies I really wanted, stuffed it with RAM (8MB!),played with it, 
tried DOS networking, even the Arachne browser.  Everything worked 
great! (Well, not great, the browser gave a whole new meaning to the 
word "slow"...but I was satisfied that I had it.)  I chose it as THE 
laptop for a big job, packed it in the sno-cat that dropped us high 
in the Sierras in mid-winter.   I turned on the Grid and instead of 
booting it let out a tirade of angry beeps!   One of the other guys 
hiked to the ski-lift and went down the hill for another laptop and I 
felt a little silly.   In fact I developed an attitude toward the 
machine...I left it sitting as a heap of disassembled rubble on a 
back shelf for a couple months.   Today I thought I'd take a look at 
it.   I put it back together with a different mother board and power 
supply but kept the plasma display and big drive that I wanted.   I 
get no video.   External video works, the LCD that came with the 
mother board works, but the plasma display doesn't light up.   Does 
anyone know if this means the display is bad?   Is there a jumper or 
configuration setting for the display type?  Is there code in the 
BIOS chips for it?   I'm aware of some differences in the power 
supply/wiring and THINK I've done that stuff correctly...Thanx for 
considering the questions...James

Yahoo! Message number: 690
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:41:41 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] grid 1550sx

James,
Wow, that sucks.  You carefully pick your equipment, check it out, test
it, finally go to where you need to go and it fails.  What a bummer.
As far as the plasma display problem, you need the internal power supply
that generates the high voltage to the plasma display.  You mentioned
that you swapped mother boards.  Did the HV power supply stay in the
re-assembled unit?
As far as special jumpers to route power or control to the power supply,
I don't know of any.  However, if Len in Canada still gets these emails,
perhaps he can look on the schematic and see.
Thanks,
-Shawn 

androgenoide wrote:
> 
> Here's the story:
> I thought the 1550sx would be the DOS machine I really wanted.  It
> took some hunting and a couple mis-buys before I found one with the
> plasma display and big harddrive.  I reformatted,loaded it with the
> goodies I really wanted, stuffed it with RAM (8MB!),played with it,
> tried DOS networking, even the Arachne browser.  Everything worked
> great! (Well, not great, the browser gave a whole new meaning to the
> word "slow"...but I was satisfied that I had it.)  I chose it as THE
> laptop for a big job, packed it in the sno-cat that dropped us high
> in the Sierras in mid-winter.   I turned on the Grid and instead of
> booting it let out a tirade of angry beeps!   One of the other guys
> hiked to the ski-lift and went down the hill for another laptop and I
> felt a little silly.   In fact I developed an attitude toward the
> machine...I left it sitting as a heap of disassembled rubble on a
> back shelf for a couple months.   Today I thought I'd take a look at
> it.   I put it back together with a different mother board and power
> supply but kept the plasma display and big drive that I wanted.   I
> get no video.   External video works, the LCD that came with the
> mother board works, but the plasma display doesn't light up.   Does
> anyone know if this means the display is bad?   Is there a jumper or
> configuration setting for the display type?  Is there code in the
> BIOS chips for it?   I'm aware of some differences in the power
> supply/wiring and THINK I've done that stuff correctly...Thanx for
> considering the questions...James
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 691
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:57:31 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] grid 1550sx

Still getting them but still ain't figured out who got my copy as I can't find
it here, I guess I should made more than one copy before I sent yours to get
lost in the mail.

Cheers

Len


Shawn wrote:

> James,
> Wow, that sucks.  You carefully pick your equipment, check it out, test
> it, finally go to where you need to go and it fails.  What a bummer.
> As far as the plasma display problem, you need the internal power supply
> that generates the high voltage to the plasma display.  You mentioned
> that you swapped mother boards.  Did the HV power supply stay in the
> re-assembled unit?
> As far as special jumpers to route power or control to the power supply,
> I don't know of any.  However, if Len in Canada still gets these emails,
> perhaps he can look on the schematic and see.
> Thanks,
> -Shawn
>
> androgenoide wrote:
> >
> > Here's the story:
> > I thought the 1550sx would be the DOS machine I really wanted.  It
> > took some hunting and a couple mis-buys before I found one with the
> > plasma display and big harddrive.  I reformatted,loaded it with the
> > goodies I really wanted, stuffed it with RAM (8MB!),played with it,
> > tried DOS networking, even the Arachne browser.  Everything worked
> > great! (Well, not great, the browser gave a whole new meaning to the
> > word "slow"...but I was satisfied that I had it.)  I chose it as THE
> > laptop for a big job, packed it in the sno-cat that dropped us high
> > in the Sierras in mid-winter.   I turned on the Grid and instead of
> > booting it let out a tirade of angry beeps!   One of the other guys
> > hiked to the ski-lift and went down the hill for another laptop and I
> > felt a little silly.   In fact I developed an attitude toward the
> > machine...I left it sitting as a heap of disassembled rubble on a
> > back shelf for a couple months.   Today I thought I'd take a look at
> > it.   I put it back together with a different mother board and power
> > supply but kept the plasma display and big drive that I wanted.   I
> > get no video.   External video works, the LCD that came with the
> > mother board works, but the plasma display doesn't light up.   Does
> > anyone know if this means the display is bad?   Is there a jumper or
> > configuration setting for the display type?  Is there code in the
> > BIOS chips for it?   I'm aware of some differences in the power
> > supply/wiring and THINK I've done that stuff correctly...Thanx for
> > considering the questions...James
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 692
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 14:32:30 -0000
From: "androgenoide"
Subject: Re: grid 1550sx

> As far as the plasma display problem, you need the internal power 
supply
> that generates the high voltage to the plasma display.  You 
mentioned
> that you swapped mother boards.  Did the HV power supply stay in the
> re-assembled unit?


Maybe I missed something there, like I say it was a heap of rubble 
yesterday.   There's space for two boards on the power supply.   The 
one that's present on all three laptops has a couple medium size 
toroids and (I think) 4 small ones, it has two plugs that mate with 
the mother board.   Next to it on the LCD machines there was another 
board with a cubical sort of transformer that mates with the main 
board through a multi-conductor cable and with the LCD through a 2-
conductor.  (I determined that the latter was the backlight)   The 
machine with the plasma display did not have the second power supply 
board.   Maybe it's that second board that differs and I've misplaced 
the only one that works?  (Or are there two versions of the first 
board?)   I assume that the power for the plasma display comes in 
through the dual lead cable on the right that plugs into the mother 
board next to the display data plug...I should check to see if it has 
any voltage there...what am I looking for? 24V?

Yahoo! Message number: 693
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:40:36 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: grid 1550sx

Sorry, I don't have my 1550's any more and I was trying to wing it from
memory.  I do know that the voltage to drive the plasma display is
around 200 to 300 volts-maybe more.  Like I said, I don't have my
schematics anymore.
I seem to remember that there was a power supply that drove the plasma
display that was physically different that the one for the LCD display. 
I seem to remember that the connector for the "different" power supply
was next to the connector for the LCD power supply.  I thought the
number of pins were different so the two could not be interchanged. 
Maybe it's been too long and I'm out in left field.  Perhaps someone
with a 1550SX can comment.
Sorry,
-Shawn

androgenoide wrote:
> 
> > As far as the plasma display problem, you need the internal power
> supply
> > that generates the high voltage to the plasma display.  You
> mentioned
> > that you swapped mother boards.  Did the HV power supply stay in the
> > re-assembled unit?
> 
> Maybe I missed something there, like I say it was a heap of rubble
> yesterday.   There's space for two boards on the power supply.   The
> one that's present on all three laptops has a couple medium size
> toroids and (I think) 4 small ones, it has two plugs that mate with
> the mother board.   Next to it on the LCD machines there was another
> board with a cubical sort of transformer that mates with the main
> board through a multi-conductor cable and with the LCD through a 2-
> conductor.  (I determined that the latter was the backlight)   The
> machine with the plasma display did not have the second power supply
> board.   Maybe it's that second board that differs and I've misplaced
> the only one that works?  (Or are there two versions of the first
> board?)   I assume that the power for the plasma display comes in
> through the dual lead cable on the right that plugs into the mother
> board next to the display data plug...I should check to see if it has
> any voltage there...what am I looking for? 24V?
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 694
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 05:24:32 -0000
From: "androgenoide"
Subject: Re: grid 1550sx

> memory.  I do know that the voltage to drive the plasma display is
> around 200 to 300 volts-maybe more.  Like I said, I don't have my
> schematics anymore.


That sounds right.   The word "plasma" sort of suggests multiply 
ionized gas, and that suggests something over 100V...

Well, I think I'll just put it back in the debris pile for a little 
bit until I have some time to look around for a missing board.   If 
worst comes to worst I can always put it back together with an LCD 
display.

I'm having a bad time with GRIDs...my 1520 just rebelled today...oh 
well...

Yahoo! Message number: 695
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:42:13 -0500
From: "Frank Stephen Foster"
Subject: SALE
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi All,
 I'm not ready yet, but thought I'd let all know that I will be selling my entire collection of GRIDS, soon. I'll send out another notice when I get an inventory of all I have for sale. I'll probably list it all on EBay, in one big lump package. I'll let you all here know before I post it there though.
"Thanks"   "Steve"  cooter@...

Yahoo! Message number: 696
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 21:04:28 -0000
From: "discotronic1"
Subject: Anybody want a GRiD 1520

Hey everyone:)  I have a 1520 that I am looking to sell for $15. It
works but it is more for parts than anything. If anyone is interested
and wants more info send me an email. Have a great weekend everyone.

Yahoo! Message number: 697
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:11:24 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: 1680c screen troubles

Well the 1680c I won on eBay a couple days ago was working perfectly, 
until the screen decided to take a dump.
When I turned it on today the color was screwed up, it was a bit 
darker than it should have been (the white was indestinguishable from 
the med. grey desktop), and occasionally it flickered back and forth 
between this and the normal colors. I hooked up an external monitor 
to use, but by then it had stopped flickering altogether...
I don't know much about LCD screens, can it be fixed or should I try 
to find a replacement screen?
For those who are wondering, it's a 486SL with 20 megs of RAM and a 
500 meg hard drive. It has a 256 color VGA screen.

Yahoo! Message number: 698
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:34:09 -0500
From:
Subject: nasa grid machines

anyone have any info on the grids that where custom modified for nasa? they used a 3 pin power plug and from what i have found, they run on 28 volts.

robert
miami

Yahoo! Message number: 699
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:28:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] nasa grid machines

--- dcat4955@... wrote:
> anyone have any info on the grids that where custom modified for nasa?
> they used a 3 pin power plug and from what i have found, they run on 28
> volts.
> 
> robert
> miami

Not much of a mod...  Any of the 15 series will run dandy anyshere from
aobut 10V to about 35V    The 3pin  was a special power plug for the
tempest hardeded version (not special for NASA) 

Did you find one laying in an east Texas field?

 

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Yahoo! Message number: 700
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:02:30 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Hard Drive Issues

All,
I've been playing around with a couple of 1520's that I have.  I bought
one from eBay that has a hard drive problem.  I have a few questions
about how the computer reacts to hard drive issues.

Charles: you mentioned something about a month ago that the computer has
a routine that it will attempt to boot several times from the hard drive
before it gives up.  I haven't counted all of them, but it's 8 or 10. 
My question is this: if the computer is attempting to boot from the
drive multiple times, what hardware is known to be good?  Can you assume
that the computer has determined which model drive is installed and is
attempting to read it?  If that's the case, then just the boot sector is
bad on the drive.  Right?

What I think I'm going to do is find/buy an IDE-USB crive carrier
similiar to the ION carrier (I don't know who makes it but it holds the
2.5 inch laptop drives.  I'm sure there has to be one for 3.5 "normal
IDE drives.

Also, I've been playing with the BIOS.  I have read the two BIOS chips
onto floppy using a EMP-20 PROM programmer.  Using a hex editor
(shameless plug: www.winhex.com), I now have the odd, even and merged
files.  I also have located the locations in the BIOS where it looks to
see which 3 models of hard drives are installed.  What I can't find are
the locations for the values of the CHS (Cylinder, Head and Sector)
information.  Anybody know where those values are off the top of their
heads? ;-)

As I get more info, I'll keep you all posted.
-Shawn

Yahoo! Message number: 701
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:30:28 -0500
From:
Subject: space grids

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

i tried posting this before and dont think it made it...

hello all, i'm new to the group and have a decent pile o'grids waiting for tlc. one in particular i want to get up and running is an ex nasa grid that was used on some shuttle missions. it has a round 3 pin power conector that was added on by nasa. anyone familiar with the pinout/voltages?

robert

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 702
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:11:58 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Space Grids and more 1520 Info

Robert,
I think there were two responses to your message. One person responded
that it might run off of 24 volts.  Charles (I think) said that the
normal operating range should be from about 12 to 35 volts so 24 volts
would be no problem.  
What is the model number of your GRiD that has the 3 pin power plug?  If
it is a 1550SX, then it will run from the normal GRiD voltage of 16
volts just fine. One pin is not connected, one pin is negative and the
other is where the +16Volts is applied.
I'm doing this from memory so I may be wrong, but if you hold the
computer so you're looking at the back end, the power connector is on
the right side.  There are 4 pins. 
I used an external power supply and 2 small nails to power my 1550's
when I had them.  It wasn't elegant, but it worked.
Use a multimeter in the resistance mode to find the ground connector. 
Then the connection that isn't a short is where the +16 volts is
applied.

Back to my 1520, I saw in the file library where the 1550 BIOS files
are.  What program was used to make the .exe that makes the new BIOS
corrections?  That wasn't a simple batch file was it?
I want be able to generate the corrected BIOS files before I post my
files to the library.  As of now, I only have the odd, even, and merged
files.
-Shawn
                        
dcat4955@... wrote:
> 
> i tried posting this before and dont think it made it...
> 
> hello all, i'm new to the group and have a decent pile o'grids waiting for tlc. one in particular i want to get up and running is an ex nasa grid that was used on some shuttle missions. it has a round 3 pin power conector that was added on by nasa. anyone familiar with the pinout/voltages?
> 
> robert

Yahoo! Message number: 703
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:35:04 -0500
From:
Subject: disassembling a 1500 series

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

any hints on how to disassemble the 1500 series? 

i think the safest thing for me to do on my nasa unit may be to open it up and compare their conections to a stock 1500 series machine. i only get one try, if i let the "genie" (smoke) out then i have a really cool paperweight.

thanks all
robert

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 704
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:01:14 -0500
From: Shawn
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] disassembling a 1500 series

Robert,
You can disassemble it but I'm not sure there will be much difference. 
But it's worth a shot.
To disassemble the 1500 series:
On the rear of the unit (the side with the serial, parallel, power, and
video ports are) there are two plastic/rubber feet.  Use a small
flatblade screw driver to remove the feet.  With the feet removed, you
should see two Phillip head screws.  Remove the screws.  The top panel
should slide towards the rear and lift up from the unit.
Good luck.
-Shawn

dcat4955@... wrote:
> 
> any hints on how to disassemble the 1500 series?
> 
> i think the safest thing for me to do on my nasa unit may be to open it up and compare their conections to a stock 1500 series machine. i only get one try, if i let the "genie" (smoke) out then i have a really cool paperweight.
> 
> thanks all
> robert
> 
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> Robert,
> I think there were two responses to your message. One person responded
> that it might run off of 24 volts.  Charles (I think) said that the
> normal operating range should be from about 12 to 35 volts so 24 volts
> would be no problem.
> What is the model number of your GRiD that has the 3 pin power plug?
> If
> it is a 1550SX, then it will run from the normal GRiD voltage of 16
> volts just fine. One pin is not connected, one pin is negative and the
> other is where the +16Volts is applied.
> I'm doing this from memory so I may be wrong, but if you hold the
> computer so you're looking at the back end, the power connector is on
> the right side.  There are 4 pins.
> I used an external power supply and 2 small nails to power my 1550's
> when I had them.  It wasn't elegant, but it worked.
> Use a multimeter in the resistance mode to find the ground connector.
> Then the connection that isn't a short is where the +16 volts is
> applied.
> 
> Back to my 1520, I saw in the file library where the 1550 BIOS files
> are.  What program was used to make the .exe that makes the new BIOS
> corrections?  That wasn't a simple batch file was it?
> I want be able to generate the corrected BIOS files before I post my
> files to the library.  As of now, I only have the odd, even, and
> merged
> files.
> -Shawn
> 
> dcat4955@... wrote:
> >
> > i tried posting this before and dont think it made it...
> >
> > hello all, i'm new to the group and have a decent pile o'grids
> waiting for tlc. one in particular i want to get up and running is an
> ex nasa grid that was used on some shuttle missions. it has a round 3
> pin power conector that was added on by nasa. anyone familiar with the
> pinout/voltages?
> >
> > robert
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 705
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:47:17 -0000
From: "fighne_feeney"
Subject: Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx

Hi all
well after a conversation with the guys at GRiDUK it appears as thou 
they are having trouble finding any replacements for the floppy drive
on the 1550sx.
After some investigation I think I have the solution as to why a 
normal floppy disk drive doesn't work!
Firstly the drive is set to Drive 0 
and secondly the link for the density detection is set logic high
So with a bit of searching I think I might have a replacement
 solution will need to test it out but will get back about it
in the next couple of days.
I'm awaiting responses from Sony, Teac, Mitsumi, Panasonic
(Matsushita), Toshiba ( toshiba drives are Teac manufactured under 
license so I gather),EY Data, and a couple of others.

As an aside certain Quantum hard disk drives can be used in the grids
as they have the correct small power connector.

Yahoo! Message number: 706
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:14:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx

There is another problem.  

You will also find that many CMOS drives will not work reliabely on an
RTL interface.  It will try but it will miss some logic low levels
causing a high error rate.   

In newer machienes CMOS to CMOS is fine.  Older floppy interfaces used
RTL (open collector TTL)   
 
--- fighne_feeney <pete@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Hi all
well after a conversation with the guys at GRiDUK it appears as thou 
they are having trouble finding any replacements for the floppy drive
on the 1550sx.
After some investigation I think I have the solution as to why a 
normal floppy disk drive doesn't work!
Firstly the drive is set to Drive 0 
and secondly the link for the density detection is set logic high
So with a bit of searching I think I might have a replacement
 solution will need to test it out but will get back about it
in the next couple of days.
I'm awaiting responses from Sony, Teac, Mitsumi, Panasonic
(Matsushita), Toshiba ( toshiba drives are Teac manufactured under 
license so I gather),EY Data, and a couple of others.

As an aside certain Quantum hard disk drives can be used in the grids
as they have the correct small power connector.




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Yahoo! Message number: 707
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:28:57 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Charles
I agree that's why I have asked questions which should elicit this information EY Data appear's to
be the best option, although I would prefer it to be Teac as they seem to last longer.
pete
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  From: Charles Ford
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx


  There is another problem.

  You will also find that many CMOS drives will not work reliabely on an
  RTL interface.  It will try but it will miss some logic low levels
  causing a high error rate.

  In newer machienes CMOS to CMOS is fine.  Older floppy interfaces used
  RTL (open collector TTL)

  --- fighne_feeney <pete@feeney.co.uk> wrote:

  ---------------------------------
  Hi all
  well after a conversation with the guys at GRiDUK it appears as thou
  they are having trouble finding any replacements for the floppy drive
  on the 1550sx.
  After some investigation I think I have the solution as to why a
  normal floppy disk drive doesn't work!
  Firstly the drive is set to Drive 0
  and secondly the link for the density detection is set logic high
  So with a bit of searching I think I might have a replacement
  solution will need to test it out but will get back about it
  in the next couple of days.
  I'm awaiting responses from Sony, Teac, Mitsumi, Panasonic
  (Matsushita), Toshiba ( toshiba drives are Teac manufactured under
  license so I gather),EY Data, and a couple of others.

  As an aside certain Quantum hard disk drives can be used in the grids
  as they have the correct small power connector.




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Yahoo! Message number: 708
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:06:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx

Original equipment is Epson...

I don't know if they are OEM on there floppies anymore.


--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> Hi Charles
> I agree that's why I have asked questions which should elicit this
> information EY Data appear's to
> be the best option, although I would prefer it to be Teac as they seem
> to last longer.
> pete
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Charles Ford 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:14 PM
>   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for
> 1550sx
> 
> 
>   There is another problem.  
> 
>   You will also find that many CMOS drives will not work reliabely on
> an
>   RTL interface.  It will try but it will miss some logic low levels
>   causing a high error rate.   
> 
>   In newer machienes CMOS to CMOS is fine.  Older floppy interfaces
> used
>   RTL (open collector TTL)   
> 
>   --- fighne_feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> 
>   ---------------------------------
>   Hi all
>   well after a conversation with the guys at GRiDUK it appears as thou 
>   they are having trouble finding any replacements for the floppy drive
>   on the 1550sx.
>   After some investigation I think I have the solution as to why a 
>   normal floppy disk drive doesn't work!
>   Firstly the drive is set to Drive 0 
>   and secondly the link for the density detection is set logic high
>   So with a bit of searching I think I might have a replacement
>   solution will need to test it out but will get back about it
>   in the next couple of days.
>   I'm awaiting responses from Sony, Teac, Mitsumi, Panasonic
>   (Matsushita), Toshiba ( toshiba drives are Teac manufactured under 
>   license so I gather),EY Data, and a couple of others.
> 
>   As an aside certain Quantum hard disk drives can be used in the grids
>   as they have the correct small power connector.
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 709
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:13:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx

Pete:

Looks like the Teac equipment is HCMOS.  It should be able to drive an
180 ohmRTL line down to a good TTL low.

If the selectable set0 is still a problem I can show you how to do a
crossover cable that should fit in the 1550sx


  
--- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Original equipment is Epson...

I don't know if they are OEM on there floppies anymore.


--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> Hi Charles
> I agree that's why I have asked questions which should elicit this
> information EY Data appear's to
> be the best option, although I would prefer it to be Teac as they seem
> to last longer.
> pete
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Charles Ford 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:14 PM
>   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for
> 1550sx
> 
> 
>   There is another problem.  
> 
>   You will also find that many CMOS drives will not work reliabely on
> an
>   RTL interface.  It will try but it will miss some logic low levels
>   causing a high error rate.   
> 
>   In newer machienes CMOS to CMOS is fine.  Older floppy interfaces
> used
>   RTL (open collector TTL)   
> 
>   --- fighne_feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> 
>   ---------------------------------
>   Hi all
>   well after a conversation with the guys at GRiDUK it appears as thou 
>   they are having trouble finding any replacements for the floppy drive
>   on the 1550sx.
>   After some investigation I think I have the solution as to why a 
>   normal floppy disk drive doesn't work!
>   Firstly the drive is set to Drive 0 
>   and secondly the link for the density detection is set logic high
>   So with a bit of searching I think I might have a replacement
>   solution will need to test it out but will get back about it
>   in the next couple of days.
>   I'm awaiting responses from Sony, Teac, Mitsumi, Panasonic
>   (Matsushita), Toshiba ( toshiba drives are Teac manufactured under 
>   license so I gather),EY Data, and a couple of others.
> 
>   As an aside certain Quantum hard disk drives can be used in the grids
>   as they have the correct small power connector.
> 
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 710
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:59:36 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Charles
a faulty cable is what sparked my investigation.....
As I said I would prefer the Teac.
So at least now a current model floppy drive could be used
to replace my faulty item.
As another question is there a hex dump of the rom ?
pete
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charles Ford
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx


  Pete:

  Looks like the Teac equipment is HCMOS.  It should be able to drive an
  180 ohmRTL line down to a good TTL low.

  If the selectable set0 is still a problem I can show you how to do a
  crossover cable that should fit in the 1550sx



  --- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:

  ---------------------------------
  Original equipment is Epson...

  I don't know if they are OEM on there floppies anymore.


  --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
  > Hi Charles
  > I agree that's why I have asked questions which should elicit this
  > information EY Data appear's to
  > be the best option, although I would prefer it to be Teac as they seem
  > to last longer.
  > pete
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Charles Ford
  >   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:14 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for
  > 1550sx
  >
  >
  >   There is another problem.
  >
  >   You will also find that many CMOS drives will not work reliabely on
  > an
  >   RTL interface.  It will try but it will miss some logic low levels
  >   causing a high error rate.
  >
  >   In newer machienes CMOS to CMOS is fine.  Older floppy interfaces
  > used
  >   RTL (open collector TTL)
  >
  >   --- fighne_feeney <pete@...> wrote:
  >
  >   ---------------------------------
  >   Hi all
  >   well after a conversation with the guys at GRiDUK it appears as thou
  >   they are having trouble finding any replacements for the floppy drive
  >   on the 1550sx.
  >   After some investigation I think I have the solution as to why a
  >   normal floppy disk drive doesn't work!
  >   Firstly the drive is set to Drive 0
  >   and secondly the link for the density detection is set logic high
  >   So with a bit of searching I think I might have a replacement
  >   solution will need to test it out but will get back about it
  >   in the next couple of days.
  >   I'm awaiting responses from Sony, Teac, Mitsumi, Panasonic
  >   (Matsushita), Toshiba ( toshiba drives are Teac manufactured under
  >   license so I gather),EY Data, and a couple of others.
  >
  >   As an aside certain Quantum hard disk drives can be used in the grids
  >   as they have the correct small power connector.
  >
  >
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Yahoo! Message number: 711
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:11:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx

--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> Hi Charles
> a faulty cable is what sparked my investigation.....
> As I said I would prefer the Teac. 
> So at least now a current model floppy drive could be used 
> to replace my faulty item.
> As another question is there a hex dump of the rom ?
> pete

Some members know how to do that using debug.

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Yahoo! Message number: 712
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:05:24 -0000
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Charles
yes I do to but if some one else has done it why re-invent the wheel
and I cannot get to a dos prompt yet....
because I need the floopy working as my hard disk is also not working...
pete
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  Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx



  --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
  > Hi Charles
  > a faulty cable is what sparked my investigation.....
  > As I said I would prefer the Teac.
  > So at least now a current model floppy drive could be used
  > to replace my faulty item.
  > As another question is there a hex dump of the rom ?
  > pete

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Yahoo! Message number: 713
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:31:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx

Does anybody know if the 1550sx requires the "F" key trick to boot from a
floppy?


--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> Hi Charles
> yes I do to but if some one else has done it why re-invent the wheel
> and I cannot get to a dos prompt yet....
> because I need the floopy working as my hard disk is also not
> working...
> pete
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Charles Ford 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for
> 1550sx
> 
> 
> 
>   --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
>   > Hi Charles
>   > a faulty cable is what sparked my investigation.....
>   > As I said I would prefer the Teac. 
>   > So at least now a current model floppy drive could be used 
>   > to replace my faulty item.
>   > As another question is there a hex dump of the rom ?
>   > pete
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Yahoo! Message number: 714
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:37:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy disc drives for 1550sx

Charles,
My experience was that if the hard drvie controller
was sensed on power-up, AND a bootable floppy was
installed, you have to wait 3 or 4 minutes for the
hard drive boot sequence to complete, THEN the
computer will eventually get around to booting from
floppy.

The 'F' key didn't seem to speed up the process.
-Shawn 
--- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
> Does anybody know if the 1550sx requires the "F" key
> trick to boot from a
> floppy?
> 
> 
> --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> > Hi Charles
> > yes I do to but if some one else has done it why
> re-invent the wheel
> > and I cannot get to a dos prompt yet....
> > because I need the floopy working as my hard disk
> is also not
> > working...
> > pete
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Charles Ford 
> >   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:11 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Replacement floppy
> disc drives for
> > 1550sx
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   --- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> >   > Hi Charles
> >   > a faulty cable is what sparked my
> investigation.....
> >   > As I said I would prefer the Teac. 
> >   > So at least now a current model floppy drive
> could be used 
> >   > to replace my faulty item.
> >   > As another question is there a hex dump of the
> rom ?
> >   > pete
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 715
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 05:24:28 -0000
From: "Jim Forbes"
Subject: 1520 bios password-no floppy

I have a 1520 that I've had sitting around for quite awhile, I messed
with it a couple years ago, changed the Dallas chip as the battery in
it was dead.  I installed a not too old used chip.  but now it has the
password problem, and I don't have the password.

The laptop has a 100mb hard drive, and NO floppy drive.  Apparently
the floppy normally sits above the hard drive????  but the 100mb unit
is too big for a floppy to fit there?????

I did pull the hard drive out, and removed the backplane adapter, and
put it in a desktop test machine...it was formatted ok, but had no
files on it.  I loaded dos 5.0 on it, as well as some 1520
utils/config files.

But the laptop bios never gets around to looking for the hard drive,
it wants a password first.

Question:  On 1520s with a floppy drive, does the bios access the
floppy (if you press "f") *before* it asks for the password?  if so, I
could use the password killer program if I installed a floppy drive?

I see a 34 pin connector on the mobo, "P5", that looks like a floppy
drive would plug right into it...so I'd have to make a cable to
connect this connector to the drive.  I'd also have to supply power to
the drive (perhaps P9C is a power connection?).

Any help appreciated!  I'd sure like to get this thing working, the
challenge is killing me   :)   but I also want to play with some assy
language programming, as the display is perfect for an application I
have in mind.

TIA,
Jim

Yahoo! Message number: 716
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:07:31 +0100
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 bios password-no floppy
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi
the floppy drive needs to be configured as drive0
and go to the borland site for the free download of
turbo C, turbo Pascal
pete
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Forbes
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:24 AM
  Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 bios password-no floppy


  I have a 1520 that I've had sitting around for quite awhile, I messed
  with it a couple years ago, changed the Dallas chip as the battery in
  it was dead.  I installed a not too old used chip.  but now it has the
  password problem, and I don't have the password.

  The laptop has a 100mb hard drive, and NO floppy drive.  Apparently
  the floppy normally sits above the hard drive????  but the 100mb unit
  is too big for a floppy to fit there?????

  I did pull the hard drive out, and removed the backplane adapter, and
  put it in a desktop test machine...it was formatted ok, but had no
  files on it.  I loaded dos 5.0 on it, as well as some 1520
  utils/config files.

  But the laptop bios never gets around to looking for the hard drive,
  it wants a password first.

  Question:  On 1520s with a floppy drive, does the bios access the
  floppy (if you press "f") *before* it asks for the password?  if so, I
  could use the password killer program if I installed a floppy drive?

  I see a 34 pin connector on the mobo, "P5", that looks like a floppy
  drive would plug right into it...so I'd have to make a cable to
  connect this connector to the drive.  I'd also have to supply power to
  the drive (perhaps P9C is a power connection?).

  Any help appreciated!  I'd sure like to get this thing working, the
  challenge is killing me   :)   but I also want to play with some assy
  language programming, as the display is perfect for an application I
  have in mind.

  TIA,
  Jim


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Yahoo! Message number: 717
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 15:27:36 -0000
From: "Jim Forbes"
Subject: Re: 1520 bios password-no floppy

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...> wrote:
> Hi
> the floppy drive needs to be configured as drive0
> and go to the borland site for the free download of
> turbo C, turbo Pascal
> pete 

Ok, I guess I'll see about making the cable...

I have plenty of higher level language IDEs, but I want to twiddle
with asm.

Thanks,
Jim


>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jim Forbes 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:24 AM
>   Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 bios password-no floppy
> 
> 
>   I have a 1520 that I've had sitting around for quite awhile, I messed
>   with it a couple years ago, changed the Dallas chip as the battery in
>   it was dead.  I installed a not too old used chip.  but now it has the
>   password problem, and I don't have the password.
> 
>   The laptop has a 100mb hard drive, and NO floppy drive.  Apparently
>   the floppy normally sits above the hard drive????  but the 100mb unit
>   is too big for a floppy to fit there?????
> 
>   I did pull the hard drive out, and removed the backplane adapter, and
>   put it in a desktop test machine...it was formatted ok, but had no
>   files on it.  I loaded dos 5.0 on it, as well as some 1520
>   utils/config files.
> 
>   But the laptop bios never gets around to looking for the hard drive,
>   it wants a password first.
> 
>   Question:  On 1520s with a floppy drive, does the bios access the
>   floppy (if you press "f") *before* it asks for the password?  if so, I
>   could use the password killer program if I installed a floppy drive?
> 
>   I see a 34 pin connector on the mobo, "P5", that looks like a floppy
>   drive would plug right into it...so I'd have to make a cable to
>   connect this connector to the drive.  I'd also have to supply power to
>   the drive (perhaps P9C is a power connection?).
> 
>   Any help appreciated!  I'd sure like to get this thing working, the
>   challenge is killing me   :)   but I also want to play with some assy
>   language programming, as the display is perfect for an application I
>   have in mind.
> 
>   TIA,
>   Jim
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Yahoo! Message number: 718
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 21:10:44 +0100
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: 1520 bios password-no floppy
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

best use a freeware x86 asm there are a few around
do a search on google it will turn up a few.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Forbes
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 4:27 PM
  Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: 1520 bios password-no floppy


  --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...> wrote:
  > Hi
  > the floppy drive needs to be configured as drive0
  > and go to the borland site for the free download of
  > turbo C, turbo Pascal
  > pete

  Ok, I guess I'll see about making the cable...

  I have plenty of higher level language IDEs, but I want to twiddle
  with asm.

  Thanks,
  Jim


  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Jim Forbes
  >   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:24 AM
  >   Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 bios password-no floppy
  >
  >
  >   I have a 1520 that I've had sitting around for quite awhile, I messed
  >   with it a couple years ago, changed the Dallas chip as the battery in
  >   it was dead.  I installed a not too old used chip.  but now it has the
  >   password problem, and I don't have the password.
  >
  >   The laptop has a 100mb hard drive, and NO floppy drive.  Apparently
  >   the floppy normally sits above the hard drive????  but the 100mb unit
  >   is too big for a floppy to fit there?????
  >
  >   I did pull the hard drive out, and removed the backplane adapter, and
  >   put it in a desktop test machine...it was formatted ok, but had no
  >   files on it.  I loaded dos 5.0 on it, as well as some 1520
  >   utils/config files.
  >
  >   But the laptop bios never gets around to looking for the hard drive,
  >   it wants a password first.
  >
  >   Question:  On 1520s with a floppy drive, does the bios access the
  >   floppy (if you press "f") *before* it asks for the password?  if so, I
  >   could use the password killer program if I installed a floppy drive?
  >
  >   I see a 34 pin connector on the mobo, "P5", that looks like a floppy
  >   drive would plug right into it...so I'd have to make a cable to
  >   connect this connector to the drive.  I'd also have to supply power to
  >   the drive (perhaps P9C is a power connection?).
  >
  >   Any help appreciated!  I'd sure like to get this thing working, the
  >   challenge is killing me   :)   but I also want to play with some assy
  >   language programming, as the display is perfect for an application I
  >   have in mind.
  >
  >   TIA,
  >   Jim
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Yahoo! Message number: 719
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 21:27:41 -0000
From: "Jim Forbes"
Subject: more 1520 floppy questions

I did some more tinkering with the 1520, and I can't get a floppy
drive to work in it.

First, what was the floppy drive that was used in these things?  was
it a 1.44m drive, or a 720k drive?

Second...does anyone have a floppy equipped 1520 that they'd be
willing to open up and tell me what the cable looks like?  and where
the #1 pin is at each end?  perhaps post a picture?  

It looks like the 4 pin connector P9C is floppy drive power; it has
+5v, +12v, and two gounds in the center.  Sound right?

Also, if the bios password is not entered (it asks for it), will it
even look for a floppy disk?  or do I need the password to let get it
to look for the config program on floppy?

Has anyone dumped the bios roms and tried to disassemble the code? 
(what fun)

TIA,
Jim

Yahoo! Message number: 720
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 22:47:37 +0100
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more 1520 floppy questions
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

take a look at the forum site someone has dumped one set of roms but not sure which.
I believe that the floppy was a 1.44Mb but as I said you must id the drive as drive0
most pc floppy drives are id'd as drive1.
the connector sounds like a normal four way power connector look at the back of
your harddisk in your pc.
To detect which way around the cable is find out which side of the 34way idc pins
has all the ground linked pins.
pete
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Forbes
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:27 PM
  Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more 1520 floppy questions


  I did some more tinkering with the 1520, and I can't get a floppy
  drive to work in it.

  First, what was the floppy drive that was used in these things?  was
  it a 1.44m drive, or a 720k drive?

  Second...does anyone have a floppy equipped 1520 that they'd be
  willing to open up and tell me what the cable looks like?  and where
  the #1 pin is at each end?  perhaps post a picture?

  It looks like the 4 pin connector P9C is floppy drive power; it has
  +5v, +12v, and two gounds in the center.  Sound right?

  Also, if the bios password is not entered (it asks for it), will it
  even look for a floppy disk?  or do I need the password to let get it
  to look for the config program on floppy?

  Has anyone dumped the bios roms and tried to disassemble the code?
  (what fun)

  TIA,
  Jim



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Yahoo! Message number: 721
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 22:45:45 -0000
From: "Jim Forbes"
Subject: Re: more 1520 floppy questions

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...> wrote:
> take a look at the forum site someone has dumped one set of roms but
not sure which.
> I believe that the floppy was a 1.44Mb but as I said you must id the
drive as drive0
> most pc floppy drives are id'd as drive1.

To change drive select, I'm using a normal PC floppy cable with the
twist in the ribbon between drive 0 and drive 1, so one connector
makes it drive 0, the other connector makes it drive 1...but it
doesn't work either way.

> the connector sounds like a normal four way power connector look at
the back of 
> your harddisk in your pc.

Yeah, that seems to be how it works...this is a minor problem that's
easy to solve....

> To detect which way around the cable is find out which side of the
34way idc pins
> has all the ground linked pins.

Actually, on one side, none of the pins are connected (infinite
resistance between them all), but the other row shows variying
resistance, and after pulling the board out I can see some of the pins
have traces going to them (not easy tracing a multilayer PC board). 
So, I assume that the side with connections is for the even numbered pins.

I'm beginning to think that I may have to give up on this...or perhaps
see if I can get into the bios, which will require that I learn some
more stuff about how computers work.  Oh well...

THanks,
Jim

Yahoo! Message number: 722
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 09:20:32 +0100
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

no the twist doesn't work that way!
you need to id the drive as drive 0
and use a straight cable.
I tried what you tried but it didn't work either
then when I ran a drive id'd as 0 it worked
I believe it's the hardware specifically looking for drive 0!
i'll find the pin out's for an ide drive for you
don't give up on it yet.
pete
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Forbes
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 11:45 PM
  Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions


  --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...> wrote:
  > take a look at the forum site someone has dumped one set of roms but
  not sure which.
  > I believe that the floppy was a 1.44Mb but as I said you must id the
  drive as drive0
  > most pc floppy drives are id'd as drive1.

  To change drive select, I'm using a normal PC floppy cable with the
  twist in the ribbon between drive 0 and drive 1, so one connector
  makes it drive 0, the other connector makes it drive 1...but it
  doesn't work either way.

  > the connector sounds like a normal four way power connector look at
  the back of
  > your harddisk in your pc.

  Yeah, that seems to be how it works...this is a minor problem that's
  easy to solve....

  > To detect which way around the cable is find out which side of the
  34way idc pins
  > has all the ground linked pins.

  Actually, on one side, none of the pins are connected (infinite
  resistance between them all), but the other row shows variying
  resistance, and after pulling the board out I can see some of the pins
  have traces going to them (not easy tracing a multilayer PC board).
  So, I assume that the side with connections is for the even numbered pins.

  I'm beginning to think that I may have to give up on this...or perhaps
  see if I can get into the bios, which will require that I learn some
  more stuff about how computers work.  Oh well...

  THanks,
  Jim


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Yahoo! Message number: 723
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 14:29:29 -0000
From: "Jim Forbes"
Subject: Re: more 1520 floppy questions

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...> wrote:
> no the twist doesn't work that way!
> you need to id the drive as drive 0
> and use a straight cable.
> I tried what you tried but it didn't work either
> then when I ran a drive id'd as 0 it worked
> I believe it's the hardware specifically looking for drive 0!
> i'll find the pin out's for an ide drive for you
> don't give up on it yet.
> pete

Ok....

I need to do some more scrounging to see if I can find a drive with
documented drive ide jumpers!  The newer drives apparently are set as
drive 1 with no jumpers, and the older drives I've found so far don't
say how the jumpers should be set.

As for the cable...it's possible that it is "mirrored" from what I
think it is, since the connector is not marked as to where pin 1 is,
and the connector is the opposite gender from normal desktop PC design.

Thanks,
Jim


>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jim Forbes 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 11:45 PM
>   Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions
> 
> 
>   --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...> wrote:
>   > take a look at the forum site someone has dumped one set of roms but
>   not sure which.
>   > I believe that the floppy was a 1.44Mb but as I said you must id the
>   drive as drive0
>   > most pc floppy drives are id'd as drive1.
> 
>   To change drive select, I'm using a normal PC floppy cable with the
>   twist in the ribbon between drive 0 and drive 1, so one connector
>   makes it drive 0, the other connector makes it drive 1...but it
>   doesn't work either way.
> 
>   > the connector sounds like a normal four way power connector look at
>   the back of 
>   > your harddisk in your pc.
> 
>   Yeah, that seems to be how it works...this is a minor problem that's
>   easy to solve....
> 
>   > To detect which way around the cable is find out which side of the
>   34way idc pins
>   > has all the ground linked pins.
> 
>   Actually, on one side, none of the pins are connected (infinite
>   resistance between them all), but the other row shows variying
>   resistance, and after pulling the board out I can see some of the pins
>   have traces going to them (not easy tracing a multilayer PC board). 
>   So, I assume that the side with connections is for the even
numbered pins.
> 
>   I'm beginning to think that I may have to give up on this...or perhaps
>   see if I can get into the bios, which will require that I learn some
>   more stuff about how computers work.  Oh well...
> 
>   THanks,
>   Jim
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 724
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 01:29:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more 1520 floppy questions

Jim,
I saw your earlier posts and I stayed out of it
because I'm not near my 1520's.  Everytime I try to do
things from memory, I tend to get it wrong.
I think I'm up to 4 1520's now.  2 are in pieces.
IIRC, the floppy drive plugs into an "adapter board"
that then plugs into the motherboard.  Let's say your
computer is in front of you, the top cover is off and
the keyboard side is in front of you.  The floppy
mates to an adapter board that the hard drive plus in
to as well.  That adapter board then plugs into two
sets of pins on the motherboard.
I would assume one set of pins is for the floppy and
one is for the hard drvie, but I don't have schematics
for the 1520.

I'm pretty sure my 1520's will read 1.44M disks.

There is a BIOS password work around.  Look in the
files section of this board.  I think it's there.
If not, it's on my computer at home.

What made me respond to your post was the part about
the code.  I unsoldered the BIOS chips and used a
EPROM reader to look at the code.  I found the
locations in BIOS where the hard drive model numbers
are stored.  I could not find the CHS
(Cylinder/Head/Sector) information.  I expected to
find the cylinder number followed by another byte
represnting the a combination of the head and sectors,
but no matter how I played with the numbers, I
couldn't find the H and S values.

One big problem is I'm not near my computer.  I'm opn
the road and will be back in a week or so.  When I get
back, I'll post what I have in the files section.
-Shawn
--- Jim Forbes <jforb427@...> wrote:
> I did some more tinkering with the 1520, and I can't
> get a floppy
> drive to work in it.
> 
> First, what was the floppy drive that was used in
> these things?  was
> it a 1.44m drive, or a 720k drive?
> 
> Second...does anyone have a floppy equipped 1520
> that they'd be
> willing to open up and tell me what the cable looks
> like?  and where
> the #1 pin is at each end?  perhaps post a picture? 
> 
> 
> It looks like the 4 pin connector P9C is floppy
> drive power; it has
> +5v, +12v, and two gounds in the center.  Sound
> right?
> 
> Also, if the bios password is not entered (it asks
> for it), will it
> even look for a floppy disk?  or do I need the
> password to let get it
> to look for the config program on floppy?
> 
> Has anyone dumped the bios roms and tried to
> disassemble the code? 
> (what fun)
> 
> TIA,
> Jim

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Yahoo! Message number: 725
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 06:31:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions

To clear things up

The original equipment is an Epson 720.  The ability to read/write/format
a 144 has been bypassed.  The drive is capable although it is not a
feature.  Therefore there is no 144 sensing switch and the 1520/1530 will
assume a drive is a 1.44 by default.

The "DOS of the day" was MS-DOS 3.1 wich only knew 360 or 720 and had to
be told that the drive was a 144 by adding command line switches to the
format command. I currently use MS-DOS 6.2.1 which defausts to 144.

The cable twist and drive ID selections. 

The Epson drives are set to drive 0.  I think this was a lack of foresite
as it was rapidly becomming more popular to set them all to 1 and use a
twisted cable to select the drive. IIRC In the 1550sx there is a short
cable for the floppy and hard drive allowing the owner to use the newer
drives providing the new CMOS based inderface was stout enough to drive
the TTL inputs in the floppy interface.  

The 1520/1530 both use an upright card that plugs directly into the back
of the drives then plugs onto the motherboard.  This has been a bit of a
hasstle as it requires the owner to locate a drive that has the same plug
locations as the old Epson 720 AND is setable to drive ID-0. 

This all seems to be a problem but once your equipment is working you
have the most ruggid laptop ever made.

Linux Ehthusests?  I have been looking at Slackware 3.4.  I think it will
be small enough to run well on my 420M drive.



--- Jim Forbes <jforb427@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...> wrote:
> no the twist doesn't work that way!
> you need to id the drive as drive 0
> and use a straight cable.
> I tried what you tried but it didn't work either
> then when I ran a drive id'd as 0 it worked
> I believe it's the hardware specifically looking for drive 0!
> i'll find the pin out's for an ide drive for you
> don't give up on it yet.
> pete

Ok....

I need to do some more scrounging to see if I can find a drive with
documented drive ide jumpers!  The newer drives apparently are set as
drive 1 with no jumpers, and the older drives I've found so far don't
say how the jumpers should be set.

As for the cable...it's possible that it is "mirrored" from what I
think it is, since the connector is not marked as to where pin 1 is,
and the connector is the opposite gender from normal desktop PC design.

Thanks,
Jim


>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jim Forbes 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 11:45 PM
>   Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions
> 
> 
>   --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...>
wrote:
>   > take a look at the forum site someone has dumped one set of roms
but
>   not sure which.
>   > I believe that the floppy was a 1.44Mb but as I said you must id
the
>   drive as drive0
>   > most pc floppy drives are id'd as drive1.
> 
>   To change drive select, I'm using a normal PC floppy cable with the
>   twist in the ribbon between drive 0 and drive 1, so one connector
>   makes it drive 0, the other connector makes it drive 1...but it
>   doesn't work either way.
> 
>   > the connector sounds like a normal four way power connector look at
>   the back of 
>   > your harddisk in your pc.
> 
>   Yeah, that seems to be how it works...this is a minor problem that's
>   easy to solve....
> 
>   > To detect which way around the cable is find out which side of the
>   34way idc pins
>   > has all the ground linked pins.
> 
>   Actually, on one side, none of the pins are connected (infinite
>   resistance between them all), but the other row shows variying
>   resistance, and after pulling the board out I can see some of the
pins
>   have traces going to them (not easy tracing a multilayer PC board). 
>   So, I assume that the side with connections is for the even
numbered pins.
> 
>   I'm beginning to think that I may have to give up on this...or
perhaps
>   see if I can get into the bios, which will require that I learn some
>   more stuff about how computers work.  Oh well...
> 
>   THanks,
>   Jim
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 726
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 06:33:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions

Oh yah.  The "Twist"  simply swaps the drive 0 and drive 1 ID lines. 
That is all it does.  This should be fine on the 1550sx 

--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> no the twist doesn't work that way!
> you need to id the drive as drive 0
> and use a straight cable.
> I tried what you tried but it didn't work either
> then when I ran a drive id'd as 0 it worked
> I believe it's the hardware specifically looking for drive 0!
> i'll find the pin out's for an ide drive for you
> don't give up on it yet.
> pete
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jim Forbes 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 11:45 PM
>   Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions
> 
> 
>   --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...>
> wrote:
>   > take a look at the forum site someone has dumped one set of roms
> but
>   not sure which.
>   > I believe that the floppy was a 1.44Mb but as I said you must id
> the
>   drive as drive0
>   > most pc floppy drives are id'd as drive1.
> 
>   To change drive select, I'm using a normal PC floppy cable with the
>   twist in the ribbon between drive 0 and drive 1, so one connector
>   makes it drive 0, the other connector makes it drive 1...but it
>   doesn't work either way.
> 
>   > the connector sounds like a normal four way power connector look at
>   the back of 
>   > your harddisk in your pc.
> 
>   Yeah, that seems to be how it works...this is a minor problem that's
>   easy to solve....
> 
>   > To detect which way around the cable is find out which side of the
>   34way idc pins
>   > has all the ground linked pins.
> 
>   Actually, on one side, none of the pins are connected (infinite
>   resistance between them all), but the other row shows variying
>   resistance, and after pulling the board out I can see some of the
> pins
>   have traces going to them (not easy tracing a multilayer PC board). 
>   So, I assume that the side with connections is for the even numbered
> pins.
> 
>   I'm beginning to think that I may have to give up on this...or
> perhaps
>   see if I can get into the bios, which will require that I learn some
>   more stuff about how computers work.  Oh well...
> 
>   THanks,
>   Jim
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 727
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:24:57 +0100
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: Linux on GRiD
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Well I have looked about and linux early versions without the vm code
work well on low memory systems. My love at the moment is Plan 9.
Works well 4Mb systems looking at it to make it work on my 1Mb system
thou I think I may be out of luck.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charles Ford
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions


  To clear things up

  The original equipment is an Epson 720.  The ability to read/write/format
  a 144 has been bypassed.  The drive is capable although it is not a
  feature.  Therefore there is no 144 sensing switch and the 1520/1530 will
  assume a drive is a 1.44 by default.

  The "DOS of the day" was MS-DOS 3.1 wich only knew 360 or 720 and had to
  be told that the drive was a 144 by adding command line switches to the
  format command. I currently use MS-DOS 6.2.1 which defausts to 144.

  The cable twist and drive ID selections.

  The Epson drives are set to drive 0.  I think this was a lack of foresite
  as it was rapidly becomming more popular to set them all to 1 and use a
  twisted cable to select the drive. IIRC In the 1550sx there is a short
  cable for the floppy and hard drive allowing the owner to use the newer
  drives providing the new CMOS based inderface was stout enough to drive
  the TTL inputs in the floppy interface.

  The 1520/1530 both use an upright card that plugs directly into the back
  of the drives then plugs onto the motherboard.  This has been a bit of a
  hasstle as it requires the owner to locate a drive that has the same plug
  locations as the old Epson 720 AND is setable to drive ID-0.

  This all seems to be a problem but once your equipment is working you
  have the most ruggid laptop ever made.

  Linux Ehthusests?  I have been looking at Slackware 3.4.  I think it will
  be small enough to run well on my 420M drive.



  --- Jim Forbes <jforb427@...> wrote:

  ---------------------------------
  --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...> wrote:
  > no the twist doesn't work that way!
  > you need to id the drive as drive 0
  > and use a straight cable.
  > I tried what you tried but it didn't work either
  > then when I ran a drive id'd as 0 it worked
  > I believe it's the hardware specifically looking for drive 0!
  > i'll find the pin out's for an ide drive for you
  > don't give up on it yet.
  > pete

  Ok....

  I need to do some more scrounging to see if I can find a drive with
  documented drive ide jumpers!  The newer drives apparently are set as
  drive 1 with no jumpers, and the older drives I've found so far don't
  say how the jumpers should be set.

  As for the cable...it's possible that it is "mirrored" from what I
  think it is, since the connector is not marked as to where pin 1 is,
  and the connector is the opposite gender from normal desktop PC design.

  Thanks,
  Jim


  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Jim Forbes
  >   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 11:45 PM
  >   Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions
  >
  >
  >   --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...>
  wrote:
  >   > take a look at the forum site someone has dumped one set of roms
  but
  >   not sure which.
  >   > I believe that the floppy was a 1.44Mb but as I said you must id
  the
  >   drive as drive0
  >   > most pc floppy drives are id'd as drive1.
  >
  >   To change drive select, I'm using a normal PC floppy cable with the
  >   twist in the ribbon between drive 0 and drive 1, so one connector
  >   makes it drive 0, the other connector makes it drive 1...but it
  >   doesn't work either way.
  >
  >   > the connector sounds like a normal four way power connector look at
  >   the back of
  >   > your harddisk in your pc.
  >
  >   Yeah, that seems to be how it works...this is a minor problem that's
  >   easy to solve....
  >
  >   > To detect which way around the cable is find out which side of the
  >   34way idc pins
  >   > has all the ground linked pins.
  >
  >   Actually, on one side, none of the pins are connected (infinite
  >   resistance between them all), but the other row shows variying
  >   resistance, and after pulling the board out I can see some of the
  pins
  >   have traces going to them (not easy tracing a multilayer PC board).
  >   So, I assume that the side with connections is for the even
  numbered pins.
  >
  >   I'm beginning to think that I may have to give up on this...or
  perhaps
  >   see if I can get into the bios, which will require that I learn some
  >   more stuff about how computers work.  Oh well...
  >
  >   THanks,
  >   Jim
  >
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Yahoo! Message number: 728
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:07:35 -0000
From: "Jim Forbes"
Subject: 1520 drive adapters

Now it makes sense....

My 1520 has the 100mb hard drive, which is so tall that a floppy will
not fit in the case above it.  The adapter board on the back of the
drive, which plugs into the two motherboard sockets, does not have any
floppy drive connector on it.  Apparently there is a different adapter
for machines with a smaller hard drive, and a floppy drive.  So, I
don't have to worry about adding an internal floppy drive, as my 1520
does not have that capability!

I posted a photo of the drive and adapter in the "1520 guts" album. 
(about time we had some pics, eh?)

I'll wait for Shawns info on the BIOS....

Thanks for the info, folks!

Yahoo! Message number: 729
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 11:20:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Linux on GRiD

I don't know.  It depends on what Kernel services you can do without...

Anyway...  I have 8MB installed and I have boosted the HD to 420M.  It
has the VGA panal so I am thinking I can meke the fancy stuff run (as
long as I am carfull)    Maybe an early copy of KDE or Knome...



--- pete feeney <pete@...> wrote:
> Well I have looked about and linux early versions without the vm code
> work well on low memory systems. My love at the moment is Plan 9.
> Works well 4Mb systems looking at it to make it work on my 1Mb system
> thou I think I may be out of luck. 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Charles Ford 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:31 PM
>   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions
> 
> 
>   To clear things up
> 
>   The original equipment is an Epson 720.  The ability to
> read/write/format
>   a 144 has been bypassed.  The drive is capable although it is not a
>   feature.  Therefore there is no 144 sensing switch and the 1520/1530
> will
>   assume a drive is a 1.44 by default.
> 
>   The "DOS of the day" was MS-DOS 3.1 wich only knew 360 or 720 and had
> to
>   be told that the drive was a 144 by adding command line switches to
> the
>   format command. I currently use MS-DOS 6.2.1 which defausts to 144.
> 
>   The cable twist and drive ID selections. 
> 
>   The Epson drives are set to drive 0.  I think this was a lack of
> foresite
>   as it was rapidly becomming more popular to set them all to 1 and use
> a
>   twisted cable to select the drive. IIRC In the 1550sx there is a
> short
>   cable for the floppy and hard drive allowing the owner to use the
> newer
>   drives providing the new CMOS based inderface was stout enough to
> drive
>   the TTL inputs in the floppy interface.  
> 
>   The 1520/1530 both use an upright card that plugs directly into the
> back
>   of the drives then plugs onto the motherboard.  This has been a bit
> of a
>   hasstle as it requires the owner to locate a drive that has the same
> plug
>   locations as the old Epson 720 AND is setable to drive ID-0. 
> 
>   This all seems to be a problem but once your equipment is working you
>   have the most ruggid laptop ever made.
> 
>   Linux Ehthusests?  I have been looking at Slackware 3.4.  I think it
> will
>   be small enough to run well on my 420M drive.
> 
> 
> 
>   --- Jim Forbes <jforb427@...> wrote:
> 
>   ---------------------------------
>   --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...>
> wrote:
>   > no the twist doesn't work that way!
>   > you need to id the drive as drive 0
>   > and use a straight cable.
>   > I tried what you tried but it didn't work either
>   > then when I ran a drive id'd as 0 it worked
>   > I believe it's the hardware specifically looking for drive 0!
>   > i'll find the pin out's for an ide drive for you
>   > don't give up on it yet.
>   > pete
> 
>   Ok....
> 
>   I need to do some more scrounging to see if I can find a drive with
>   documented drive ide jumpers!  The newer drives apparently are set as
>   drive 1 with no jumpers, and the older drives I've found so far don't
>   say how the jumpers should be set.
> 
>   As for the cable...it's possible that it is "mirrored" from what I
>   think it is, since the connector is not marked as to where pin 1 is,
>   and the connector is the opposite gender from normal desktop PC
> design.
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Jim
> 
> 
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: Jim Forbes 
>   >   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 11:45 PM
>   >   Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...>
>   wrote:
>   >   > take a look at the forum site someone has dumped one set of
> roms
>   but
>   >   not sure which.
>   >   > I believe that the floppy was a 1.44Mb but as I said you must
> id
>   the
>   >   drive as drive0
>   >   > most pc floppy drives are id'd as drive1.
>   > 
>   >   To change drive select, I'm using a normal PC floppy cable with
> the
>   >   twist in the ribbon between drive 0 and drive 1, so one connector
>   >   makes it drive 0, the other connector makes it drive 1...but it
>   >   doesn't work either way.
>   > 
>   >   > the connector sounds like a normal four way power connector
> look at
>   >   the back of 
>   >   > your harddisk in your pc.
>   > 
>   >   Yeah, that seems to be how it works...this is a minor problem
> that's
>   >   easy to solve....
>   > 
>   >   > To detect which way around the cable is find out which side of
> the
>   >   34way idc pins
>   >   > has all the ground linked pins.
>   > 
>   >   Actually, on one side, none of the pins are connected (infinite
>   >   resistance between them all), but the other row shows variying
>   >   resistance, and after pulling the board out I can see some of the
>   pins
>   >   have traces going to them (not easy tracing a multilayer PC
> board). 
>   >   So, I assume that the side with connections is for the even
>   numbered pins.
>   > 
>   >   I'm beginning to think that I may have to give up on this...or
>   perhaps
>   >   see if I can get into the bios, which will require that I learn
> some
>   >   more stuff about how computers work.  Oh well...
>   > 
>   >   THanks,
>   >   Jim
>   > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 730
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:16:11 +0100
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Linux on GRiD
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

try using one of the smaller footprint window managers
blackbox i think can run kde software!

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charles Ford
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Linux on GRiD


  I don't know.  It depends on what Kernel services you can do without...

  Anyway...  I have 8MB installed and I have boosted the HD to 420M.  It
  has the VGA panal so I am thinking I can meke the fancy stuff run (as
  long as I am carfull)    Maybe an early copy of KDE or Knome...



  --- pete feeney <pete@....uk> wrote:
  > Well I have looked about and linux early versions without the vm code
  > work well on low memory systems. My love at the moment is Plan 9.
  > Works well 4Mb systems looking at it to make it work on my 1Mb system
  > thou I think I may be out of luck.
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Charles Ford
  >   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 2:31 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions
  >
  >
  >   To clear things up
  >
  >   The original equipment is an Epson 720.  The ability to
  > read/write/format
  >   a 144 has been bypassed.  The drive is capable although it is not a
  >   feature.  Therefore there is no 144 sensing switch and the 1520/1530
  > will
  >   assume a drive is a 1.44 by default.
  >
  >   The "DOS of the day" was MS-DOS 3.1 wich only knew 360 or 720 and had
  > to
  >   be told that the drive was a 144 by adding command line switches to
  > the
  >   format command. I currently use MS-DOS 6.2.1 which defausts to 144.
  >
  >   The cable twist and drive ID selections.
  >
  >   The Epson drives are set to drive 0.  I think this was a lack of
  > foresite
  >   as it was rapidly becomming more popular to set them all to 1 and use
  > a
  >   twisted cable to select the drive. IIRC In the 1550sx there is a
  > short
  >   cable for the floppy and hard drive allowing the owner to use the
  > newer
  >   drives providing the new CMOS based inderface was stout enough to
  > drive
  >   the TTL inputs in the floppy interface.
  >
  >   The 1520/1530 both use an upright card that plugs directly into the
  > back
  >   of the drives then plugs onto the motherboard.  This has been a bit
  > of a
  >   hasstle as it requires the owner to locate a drive that has the same
  > plug
  >   locations as the old Epson 720 AND is setable to drive ID-0.
  >
  >   This all seems to be a problem but once your equipment is working you
  >   have the most ruggid laptop ever made.
  >
  >   Linux Ehthusests?  I have been looking at Slackware 3.4.  I think it
  > will
  >   be small enough to run well on my 420M drive.
  >
  >
  >
  >   --- Jim Forbes <jforb427@...> wrote:
  >
  >   ---------------------------------
  >   --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...>
  > wrote:
  >   > no the twist doesn't work that way!
  >   > you need to id the drive as drive 0
  >   > and use a straight cable.
  >   > I tried what you tried but it didn't work either
  >   > then when I ran a drive id'd as 0 it worked
  >   > I believe it's the hardware specifically looking for drive 0!
  >   > i'll find the pin out's for an ide drive for you
  >   > don't give up on it yet.
  >   > pete
  >
  >   Ok....
  >
  >   I need to do some more scrounging to see if I can find a drive with
  >   documented drive ide jumpers!  The newer drives apparently are set as
  >   drive 1 with no jumpers, and the older drives I've found so far don't
  >   say how the jumpers should be set.
  >
  >   As for the cable...it's possible that it is "mirrored" from what I
  >   think it is, since the connector is not marked as to where pin 1 is,
  >   and the connector is the opposite gender from normal desktop PC
  > design.
  >
  >   Thanks,
  >   Jim
  >
  >
  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   From: Jim Forbes
  >   >   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  >   >   Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 11:45 PM
  >   >   Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: more 1520 floppy questions
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "pete feeney" <pete@f...>
  >   wrote:
  >   >   > take a look at the forum site someone has dumped one set of
  > roms
  >   but
  >   >   not sure which.
  >   >   > I believe that the floppy was a 1.44Mb but as I said you must
  > id
  >   the
  >   >   drive as drive0
  >   >   > most pc floppy drives are id'd as drive1.
  >   >
  >   >   To change drive select, I'm using a normal PC floppy cable with
  > the
  >   >   twist in the ribbon between drive 0 and drive 1, so one connector
  >   >   makes it drive 0, the other connector makes it drive 1...but it
  >   >   doesn't work either way.
  >   >
  >   >   > the connector sounds like a normal four way power connector
  > look at
  >   >   the back of
  >   >   > your harddisk in your pc.
  >   >
  >   >   Yeah, that seems to be how it works...this is a minor problem
  > that's
  >   >   easy to solve....
  >   >
  >   >   > To detect which way around the cable is find out which side of
  > the
  >   >   34way idc pins
  >   >   > has all the ground linked pins.
  >   >
  >   >   Actually, on one side, none of the pins are connected (infinite
  >   >   resistance between them all), but the other row shows variying
  >   >   resistance, and after pulling the board out I can see some of the
  >   pins
  >   >   have traces going to them (not easy tracing a multilayer PC
  > board).
  >   >   So, I assume that the side with connections is for the even
  >   numbered pins.
  >   >
  >   >   I'm beginning to think that I may have to give up on this...or
  >   perhaps
  >   >   see if I can get into the bios, which will require that I learn
  > some
  >   >   more stuff about how computers work.  Oh well...
  >   >
  >   >   THanks,
  >   >   Jim
  >   >
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Yahoo! Message number: 731
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 02:11:01 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Aw, hell

Well, this evening I went and tried to boot up my 1520, and recieved 
the configuration error messages I always get as the CMOS battery is 
long dead, and after rebooting it complained about the time of day 
not being set and prompted me to press the F1 key. Usually afterwards 
it just boots normally, but this time it decided to lock me out and 
prompted for the Password of the day. Now I have no idea how the hell 
to get it working again, as I'm not sure if there's any way to get 
the necessary password. From what I've heard over the net, I'm not 
sure there's anything I can really do. So, is there any way to get 
the password or get around it and actually use my computer again or 
should I just get rid of it?

Yahoo! Message number: 732
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:35:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Aw, hell

Beirnan,
Yes, there is a way around it but the problem is I'm
not at my home computer where I have the fix.  The
firewall on the netwrok I'm using prevents me from
going to the archieve or files section.  Maybe someone
else knows the pin numbers to short on the Dallas
chip?
Thanks,
-Shawn

--- beirnan <gkbennett@...> wrote:
> Well, this evening I went and tried to boot up my
> 1520, and recieved 
> the configuration error messages I always get as the
> CMOS battery is 
> long dead, and after rebooting it complained about
> the time of day 
> not being set and prompted me to press the F1 key.
> Usually afterwards 
> it just boots normally, but this time it decided to
> lock me out and 
> prompted for the Password of the day. Now I have no
> idea how the hell 
> to get it working again, as I'm not sure if there's
> any way to get 
> the necessary password. From what I've heard over
> the net, I'm not 
> sure there's anything I can really do. So, is there
> any way to get 
> the password or get around it and actually use my
> computer again or 
> should I just get rid of it?

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Yahoo! Message number: 733
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:39:45 -0000
From: "radiojohnmn"
Subject: Gridpad Parts???

I thought some of you might know of some parts sources for my 
GridPad. This device has a tough screen, but there is an  add-on 
keyboard with (of course) a proprietary connection.  I also need a 
battery and the RAM storage card.

Thanks for any help.

John

Yahoo! Message number: 734
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:53:49 -0400
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridpad Parts???

I saw a shitload of them at the Dayton Hamfest a few years ago, all working
also all kinds of other grids in different booths.

radiojohnmn wrote:

> I thought some of you might know of some parts sources for my
> GridPad. This device has a tough screen, but there is an  add-on
> keyboard with (of course) a proprietary connection.  I also need a
> battery and the RAM storage card.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> John
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 735
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Spamers (maybe)

Folks:

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Yahoo! Message number: 736
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:06:06 -0000
From: "Jim Forbes"
Subject: Re: Aw, hell

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> --- beirnan <gkbennett@j...> wrote:
> > Well, this evening I went and tried to boot up my
> > 1520, and recieved 
> > the configuration error messages I always get as the
> > CMOS battery is 
> > long dead, and after rebooting it complained about
> > the time of day 
> > not being set and prompted me to press the F1 key.
> > Usually afterwards 
> > it just boots normally, but this time it decided to
> > lock me out and 
> > prompted for the Password of the day. Now I have no
> > idea how the hell 
> > to get it working again, as I'm not sure if there's
> > any way to get 
> > the necessary password. From what I've heard over
> > the net, I'm not 
> > sure there's anything I can really do. So, is there
> > any way to get 
> > the password or get around it and actually use my
> > computer again or 
> > should I just get rid of it?

> Beirnan,
> Yes, there is a way around it but the problem is I'm
> not at my home computer where I have the fix.  The
> firewall on the netwrok I'm using prevents me from
> going to the archieve or files section.  Maybe someone
> else knows the pin numbers to short on the Dallas
> chip?
> Thanks,
> -Shawn

My 1520 has the same problem, I've replaced the dallas chip,a nd reset
the memory, but it still wants a password.

If you get it working, please let us know what you did!

Jim

Yahoo! Message number: 737
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:43:02 -0000
From: "cdh_67"
Subject: Hello, newbie here with a problem

Hi, I just recieve a Gridcase 1520 /286 laptop for free ,after I 
start it up and after 640 base momory, 01408 memory its says bad or 
missing command interpreter, I dont have a disk for it but I have the 
disk drive.....any ideas or help Thanks

Yahoo! Message number: 738
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Hello, newbie here with a problem

Hello cdh_67,
Does your 1520 have a hard drive.  From your
description, it sounds as if it might.
Specifically, it's trying to load command.com. The
computer either can't find the file or it's corrupt.
The fix is to re-install DOS.  I hope you have a copy
of MS-DOS floating around to install.
You can have the computer boot from floppy.  You have
to make a bootable floppy.  I don't know your level of
Windows experience and I don't mean to talk down to
you if you already know this.
But you can create a bootable floppy by inserting a
black floppy into your computer.  Then open Windows
Explorer and right clicking on the floppy drive.  The
select format.  Be sure to check the box "Copy System
Files."  Then hit Start.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
-Shawn
 
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> free ,after I 
> start it up and after 640 base momory, 01408 memory
> its says bad or 
> missing command interpreter, I dont have a disk for
> it but I have the 
> disk drive.....any ideas or help Thanks
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Yahoo! Message number: 739
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:48:56 -0000
From: "Shawnerz"
Subject: Opss

That should have been *blank* floppy - not 'black'.  I don't want 
somebody thinking the color of a floppy makes the computer boot. :-)

Yahoo! Message number: 740
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:07:31 -0000
From: "Shawnerz"
Subject: Stuff I owe the group

Hi all,
I have returned from my trip.  I need to post the 1520 Bios and 
password fix.  These files were almost lost forever.  I came back 
home and my 2 1/2 year old, 30 GIG drive (only 4 GIG was used on it), 
had died.  The power supply section on the drive had gone bad.  It 
may have taken the main (+12 or +5) power supply as well.  A couple 
of things worked in my favor, though.  One was I had a 4 GIG drive in 
the machine as well.  A friend replaced the power supply and loaded 
Win98 on the 4 Gig so the computer would boot.
The other thing that worked in my favor is I was able to separate the 
IDE interface board from the drive housing.  I was able to poke 
around with my multimeter and I found a surface mount (SMT) diode had 
internally shorted. I removed it and replaced it with a through-hole 
1N007 that I happened to have in my junkbox.  It actually worked and 
I was able to re-assemble the drive and tranfer most of the files 
from it to the 4 GIG drive.
Now I have to figure out how I'm going to transfer the files in 
the "Program Files" directory.  Most of these are "registered" 
programs.  Since I'm not booting from the 30 GIG drive, it's registry 
isn't being loaded so the programs won't run properly.
So, I'll post what I've got.
-Shawn

Yahoo! Message number: 741
Date: 26 May 2003 15:12:02 -0000
From: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New file uploaded to RuGRiD-Laptop

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RuGRiD-Laptop 
group.

  File        : /1520 BIOS Merged File.txt 
  Uploaded by : Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> 
  Description : 1520 Merged File of Odd/Even BIOS PROMS 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/1520%20BIOS%20Merged%20File.txt 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
 

Yahoo! Message number: 742
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:31:03 -0000
From: "shawnerz"
Subject: 1520 BIOS FIles Added

All,
I uploaded the BIOS files.  I uploaded the Odd, Even, and a merged 
filed file.  They are stright text files.  I use WinHex as my hex 
editor.  By all rights, I should have ZIPed them but I didn't because 
I'm hoping someone can help me.

Starting at 5038h, is the start of the 3 hard drive models that the 
BIOS looks for.  It will only boot from a CP3022, CP344 or a CP3104.  
What I cannot find is the Cylinder Head Sector (CHS) (a.k.a. drive 
geometry) values.

Charlie: your program that you uploaded for the 1530 automatically 
makes the changes for the model number and CHS information.  How did 
you locate the CHS information in the BIOS file?  How did you make 
the utility to automatically make the changes?

Feel free to contact me off-list and fill me in on the details.

I found a couple values that matched the number of cylinders count.  
I expected only one place in the file but I found at least two.
I also expected the Head and Sector count to be the next value.  I 
tried every combination of Head and Sector counts (Big Indian/Little 
Indian) and I couldn't come up with a matching number in BIOS.

I didn't want to ZIP and post everything together until I was sure 
confident in the numbers.

Perhaps someone can help me out.
Thanks,
-Shawn

Yahoo! Message number: 743
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:44:37 -0000
From: "shawnerz"
Subject: BIOS Password Workaround

I don't remember who it was who wanted this.
I don't know if you already had this info and it didn't work.  But, 
here's what I have on the issue.(sorry for the messed up formatting.  
I just copied and pasted from a file I have):

Just looking over a datasheet from Dallas....
DS12887A
If he (while power is removed) shorts pin 21 to ground that FF clear 
the CMOS RAM

This is the reply I got...oh, well.
                Jim

                 customer.support@... wrote:
                 > 
                 > Jim,
                 > 
                 > First off, as the program is NOT Y2K compliant, 
the password it generates may not work on your system. Also, as 
AST/ARI no longer has a contract to provide tech support for Grid 
products, access to the password program is no longer free of charge. 
If you still wish to try, you can call:
                 > 800-758-0278, then option 3.
                 > 
                 > I have to re-emphasize that:
                 >   (1) There will be a $35 CHARGE
                 >   (2) There is NO GUARANTEE THAT THE PASSWORD WILL 
WORK.
                 > 
                 > Please do not respond to customer.support@ari-com. 
This 
                 address is set up as an auto-response mailbox only. 
InteliSol On-Line Services will only accept E-mail submitted via the 
E-mail submission page on the ARI Service site (http://www.ari-
service.com).
                 > 
                 > Thank you for using InteliSol Technical Support.
                 > 
                 > Ric
                 > InteliSol On-Line Services

Shawn--

 Hi, thanks for the quick reply!

 I did some more surfing, and found a post that's very helpful...

 http://www.pd.com/gb15xx/messages/1072.html
Posted by Anita Louise McCormick on April 28, 1998 at 17:15:07:

If you've been having a password problem with your Grid computer, 
call AST customer support at 800-727-1278 and they
can run the password-of-the-day program.  

They will need to know the date your computer is showing on the 
screen. Even if it's a strange date with question marks, etc,
they can help you.

Then you use the setpass program (available via the internet)to 
permanently change the password.
                 seems to answer the question of the mysterious 
password!  It is
                 generated by the BIOS based on the date!  So, I'm 
gonna try to
                 call the folks at AST/ARI and see if they still have 
the program
                 and can get me a batch of passwords for the next 
week or so.

                 I have not gotten to DOS yet with this machine.  It 
has the big
                 100meg hard drive, which takes up both drive bays, 
so it does
                 not have a floppy...and my Zenith external floppy 
drive may or
                 may not work properly.  It seems to activate 
somewhat, but since
                 the bios is not searching for dos until it gets the 
password, I
                 dont' know for sure if it's working.

                 I replaced the Dallas chip because it had an error 
that
                 indicated it was dead...and my 1520 does not have 
the external
                 clock/cmos battery that some do have.  I guess there 
were two
                 motherboard designs.

                 I played with the confirm/code keys, nothing 
happened.  Oh,
                 well.

                 I'll let you know what happens with it.

                 Regards,
                 Jim

Yahoo! Message number: 744
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:06:01 -0400
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Stuff I owe the group

If you can find a third drive that you can boot from you can do a direct copy of
the 30 gigs files to another drive like you say the 4 gig and then you can boot
up with the 4 gig just as if it was the 30 gig.

I just did this with my daughters machine a 10 gig went bad so out it came and
copied it from that 10 gig to another 10 gig and you would never know.  Now I
gota get a hold of fujshitsu for an RMA#.



Cheers


Shawnerz wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have returned from my trip.  I need to post the 1520 Bios and
> password fix.  These files were almost lost forever.  I came back
> home and my 2 1/2 year old, 30 GIG drive (only 4 GIG was used on it),
> had died.  The power supply section on the drive had gone bad.  It
> may have taken the main (+12 or +5) power supply as well.  A couple
> of things worked in my favor, though.  One was I had a 4 GIG drive in
> the machine as well.  A friend replaced the power supply and loaded
> Win98 on the 4 Gig so the computer would boot.
> The other thing that worked in my favor is I was able to separate the
> IDE interface board from the drive housing.  I was able to poke
> around with my multimeter and I found a surface mount (SMT) diode had
> internally shorted. I removed it and replaced it with a through-hole
> 1N007 that I happened to have in my junkbox.  It actually worked and
> I was able to re-assemble the drive and tranfer most of the files
> from it to the 4 GIG drive.
> Now I have to figure out how I'm going to transfer the files in
> the "Program Files" directory.  Most of these are "registered"
> programs.  Since I'm not booting from the 30 GIG drive, it's registry
> isn't being loaded so the programs won't run properly.
> So, I'll post what I've got.
> -Shawn
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 745
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:41:40 -0000
From: "Jim Forbes"
Subject: Re: Opss

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Shawnerz" <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> That should have been *blank* floppy - not 'black'.  I don't want 
> somebody thinking the color of a floppy makes the computer boot. :-)

another oops--the win9x floppy won't boot a 286 machine!  

Jim

ps.  thanks for the 1520 bios files, I'll get to work seeing what I
can make of it!

Yahoo! Message number: 746
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:08:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Opss

Try Caldara DOS 7

I think it does fat32 and will boot all the way down to an 8088
--- Jim Forbes <jforb427@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Shawnerz" <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> That should have been *blank* floppy - not 'black'.  I don't want 
> somebody thinking the color of a floppy makes the computer boot. :-)

another oops--the win9x floppy won't boot a 286 machine!  

Jim

ps.  thanks for the 1520 bios files, I'll get to work seeing what I
can make of it!



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Yahoo! Message number: 747
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:51:19 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Kind of an odd question, but...

...Does anyone know how to access the status of the RF pen on the 
GRiDPads, Palmpads and convertibles?
Let me clarify a bit.
I've been using a 2600 a lot lately as it's so portable and can do 
anything I need it to. There's a program I've been trying to create 
and use on it (written in C). I've come up with with a basic GUI for 
the program, but I need to use the pen with it as I've decided using 
the onscreen keyboard (it is a DOS program) takes up too much space 
on the screen.

Does anyone happen to know how to read the position of the pen or 
whether it's been triggered?

I've tried everything I know, but nothing seems to work...

Yahoo! Message number: 748
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:41:54 -0000
From: "vellamario2000"
Subject: Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive

The above 386 Gridcase has Dos 3.30 installed but no PCMASTER/PCSLAVE
to be able to get at the c: through another PC. Anybody has any 
suggestions how to update the system without taking out the H/D and 
upgrading on another PC ?

Thanks

Mario

Yahoo! Message number: 749
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 22:55:03 +0100
From: "pete feeney"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

use an early version of laplink
you can download it off the net
read the install instructions for remote  access in the help file

  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 9:41 PM
  Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive


  The above 386 Gridcase has Dos 3.30 installed but no PCMASTER/PCSLAVE
  to be able to get at the c: through another PC. Anybody has any
  suggestions how to update the system without taking out the H/D and
  upgrading on another PC ?

  Thanks

  Mario


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Yahoo! Message number: 750
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:38:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive

Hello Mario,
Another option is to buy an external GRID floppy drive
and cable.  Then you could connect it to the PC and
upgrade directly rather than using a remote PC.
Good luck,
-Shawn

--- vellamario2000 <mario.vella@...> wrote:
> The above 386 Gridcase has Dos 3.30 installed but no
> PCMASTER/PCSLAVE
> to be able to get at the c: through another PC.
> Anybody has any 
> suggestions how to update the system without taking
> out the H/D and 
> upgrading on another PC ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mario
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Yahoo! Message number: 751
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive
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 Hi Shawn, yes If I could get hold of one I would as there is no modem/com prog. on C:  So I will keep a lookout on e-bay. Are these 5 1/4  disks or normal 3 1/2 floppys ?Thanks for answeringRegardsMario--- On Sun 06/01, Shawnerz < shawnerz@... > wrote:From: Shawnerz [mailto: shawnerz@...]To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:38:48 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy driveHello Mario,Another option is to buy an external GRID floppy driveand cable.  Then you could connect it to the PC andupgrade directly rather than using a remote PC.Good luck,-Shawn--- vellamario2000 wrote:> The above 386 Gridcase has Dos 3.30 installed but no> PCMASTER/PCSLAVE> to be able to get at the c: through another PC.> Anybody has any > suggestions how to update the system without taking> out the H/D and > upgrading on another PC ?> > Thanks> > Mario> > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Gro
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Yahoo! Message number: 752
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:18:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive

Mario,
Yes, ebay is the best place to find GRID parts.
The drive are 5 1/4 disks.
Good luck,
-Shawn

---  <mario.vella@...> wrote:
>  Hi Shawn, yes If I could get hold of one I would as
> there is no modem/com prog. on C:  So I will keep a
> lookout on e-bay. Are these 5 1/4  disks or normal 3
> 1/2 floppys ?Thanks for answeringRegardsMario--- On
> Sun 06/01, Shawnerz < shawnerz@... >
> wrote:From: Shawnerz [mailto: shawnerz@...]To:
> RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 1 Jun 2003
> 19:38:48 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop]
> Gridcase 1530 without floppy driveHello
> Mario,Another option is to buy an external GRID
> floppy driveand cable.  Then you could connect it to
> the PC andupgrade directly rather than using a
> remote PC.Good luck,-Shawn--- vellamario2000
> wrote:> The above 386 Gridcase has Dos 3.30
> installed but no> PCMASTER/PCSLAVE> to be able
> to get at the c: through another PC.> Anybody has
> any > suggestions how to update the system
> without taking> out the H/D and > upgrading on
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Yahoo! Message number: 753
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:19:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive

The external drive for my 1530 is a 3 1/2 1.44MB

Also

I think I have a pinout somewhere...


--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Mario,
Yes, ebay is the best place to find GRID parts.
The drive are 5 1/4 disks.
Good luck,
-Shawn

---  <mario.vella@...> wrote:
>  Hi Shawn, yes If I could get hold of one I would as
> there is no modem/com prog. on C:  So I will keep a
> lookout on e-bay. Are these 5 1/4  disks or normal 3
> 1/2 floppys ?Thanks for answeringRegardsMario--- On
> Sun 06/01, Shawnerz < shawnerz@... >
> wrote:From: Shawnerz [mailto: shawnerz@...]To:
> RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 1 Jun 2003
> 19:38:48 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop]
> Gridcase 1530 without floppy driveHello
> Mario,Another option is to buy an external GRID
> floppy driveand cable.  Then you could connect it to
> the PC andupgrade directly rather than using a
> remote PC.Good luck,-Shawn--- vellamario2000
> wrote:> The above 386 Gridcase has Dos 3.30
> installed but no> PCMASTER/PCSLAVE> to be able
> to get at the c: through another PC.> Anybody has
> any > suggestions how to update the system
> without taking> out the H/D and > upgrading on
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Yahoo! Message number: 754
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:10:44 -0500
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive

 There are both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 external fdds.  I have a 
m.32170  3 1/2. I"m not sure, but I believe this was called 
the "pocket" fdd. It is powered thru the cable. My 5 1/4 
m.3402 needs 12v external power if using the AC module 
but powers off the cable if the external AC converter is 
used. Obviously the Grid cables are proprietory.

 I have also seen references to other Grid fdd models, 
and I have a very large 5 1/4 m.2202 for the expansion 
cartridge or 5 ISA card expansion chassis which I had 
thought was SCSI because of the size of the connector. 
Anyone have an expansion chassis ?
 
Lawrence

On 2 Jun 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:

> Mario,
> Yes, ebay is the best place to find GRID parts.
> The drive are 5 1/4 disks.
> Good luck,
> -Shawn
> 
> ---  <mario.vella@...> wrote:
> >  Hi Shawn, yes If I could get hold of one I would as
> > there is no modem/com prog. on C:  So I will keep a
> > lookout on e-bay. Are these 5 1/4  disks or normal 3
> > 1/2 floppys ?Thanks for answeringRegardsMario--- On
> > Sun 06/01, Shawnerz < shawnerz@... >
> > wrote:From: Shawnerz [mailto: shawnerz@...]To:
> > RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 1 Jun 2003
> > 19:38:48 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop]
> > Gridcase 1530 without floppy driveHello
> > Mario,Another option is to buy an external GRID
> > floppy driveand cable.  Then you could connect it to
> > the PC andupgrade directly rather than using a
> > remote PC.Good luck,-Shawn--- vellamario2000
> > wrote:> The above 386 Gridcase has Dos 3.30
> > installed but no> PCMASTER/PCSLAVE> to be able
> > to get at the c: through another PC.> Anybody has
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> > without taking> out the H/D and > upgrading on
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Yahoo! Message number: 755
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:44:43 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive
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 Hi Lawrence, Thanks for your answer. I have opened the Gridcase and found a miniture (approx. 2.75 cm.) 40 pin (male) socket between the battery compartment and the back of the H/D. Is this an IDE socket? Any Grid CD-Roms that might connect here? There doesn't seem to be any power out.  Any Grid-fan know that this socket might be? Thanks Mario--- On Sat 05/31, Lawrence Walker < lgwalker@... > wrote:From: Lawrence Walker [mailto: lgwalker@...]To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:10:44 -0500Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy driveThere are both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 external fdds.  I have a m.32170  3 1/2. I"m not sure, but I believe this was called the "pocket" fdd. It is powered thru the cable. My 5 1/4 m.3402 needs 12v external power if using the AC module but powers off the cable if the external AC converter is used. Obviously the Grid cables are proprietory.I have also seen references to other Grid fdd models, and I hav
 e a very large 5 1/4 m.2202 for the expansion cartridge or 5 ISA card expansion chassis which I had thought was SCSI because of the size of the connector. Anyone have an expansion chassis ?LawrenceOn 2 Jun 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:> Mario,> Yes, ebay is the best place to find GRID parts.> The drive are 5 1/4 disks.> Good luck,> -Shawn> > ---  wrote:> >  Hi Shawn, yes If I could get hold of one I would as> > there is no modem/com prog. on C:  So I will keep a> > lookout on e-bay. Are these 5 1/4  disks or normal 3> > 1/2 floppys ?Thanks for answeringRegardsMario--- On> > Sun 06/01, Shawnerz &lt; shawnerz@... &gt;> > wrote:From: Shawnerz [mailto: shawnerz@...]To:> > RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 1 Jun 2003> > 19:38:48 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop]> > Gridcase 1530 without floppy driveHello> > Mario,Another option is to buy an external GRID> > floppy driv
 eand cable.  Then you could connect it to> > the PC andupgrade directly rather than using a> > remote PC.Good luck,-Shawn--- vellamario2000> > wrote:&gt; The above 386 Gridcase has Dos 3.30> > installed but no&gt; PCMASTER/PCSLAVE&gt; to be able> > to get at the c: through another PC.&gt; Anybody has> > any &gt; suggestions how to update the system> > without taking&gt; out the H/D and &gt; upgrading on> > another PC ?&gt; &gt; Thanks&gt; &gt; Mario&gt; &gt;> > &gt; ------------------------ Yahoo! Gro> >  ups Sponsor&gt; &gt;> > ">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/&gt; To> > unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:&gt;> > RuGRiD-Laptop-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com&gt; &gt; > > &gt; &gt; Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject> > to&gt; http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ &gt; &g
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Yahoo! Message number: 756
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:07:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 without floppy drive

Not sure but I think that was for a possible "future"
16 bit video card that naver hit the shelves.


---  <mario.vella@...> wrote:
>  Hi Lawrence, Thanks for your answer. I have opened
> the Gridcase and found a miniture (approx. 2.75 cm.)
> 40 pin (male) socket between the battery compartment
> and the back of the H/D. Is this an IDE socket? Any
> Grid CD-Roms that might connect here? There doesn't
> seem to be any power out.  Any Grid-fan know that
> this socket might be? Thanks Mario--- On Sat 05/31,
> Lawrence Walker < lgwalker@... >
> wrote:From: Lawrence Walker [mailto:
> lgwalker@...]To:
> RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Sat, 31 May 2003
> 14:10:44 -0500Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase
> 1530 without floppy driveThere are both 5 1/4 and 3
> 1/2 external fdds.  I have a m.32170  3 1/2. I"m not
> sure, but I believe this was called the "pocket"
> fdd. It is powered thru the cable. My 5 1/4 m.3402
> needs 12v external power if using the AC module but
> powers off the cable if the external AC converter is
> used. Obviously the Grid cables are proprietory.I
> have also seen references to other Grid fdd models,
> and I hav
>  e a very large 5 1/4 m.2202 for the expansion
> cartridge or 5 ISA card expansion chassis which I
> had thought was SCSI because of the size of the
> connector. Anyone have an expansion chassis
> ?LawrenceOn 2 Jun 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:>
> Mario,> Yes, ebay is the best place to find GRID
> parts.> The drive are 5 1/4 disks.> Good
> luck,> -Shawn> > ---  wrote:> >  Hi
> Shawn, yes If I could get hold of one I would as>
> > there is no modem/com prog. on C:  So I will
> keep a> > lookout on e-bay. Are these 5 1/4 
> disks or normal 3> > 1/2 floppys ?Thanks for
> answeringRegardsMario--- On> > Sun 06/01,
> Shawnerz &lt; shawnerz@... &gt;>
> > wrote:From: Shawnerz [mailto:
> shawnerz@...]To:> >
> RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 1 Jun
> 2003> > 19:38:48 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re:
> [RuGRiD-Laptop]> > Gridcase 1530 without
> floppy driveHello> > Mario,Another option is
> to buy an external GRID> > floppy driv
>  eand cable.  Then you could connect it to> >
> the PC andupgrade directly rather than using a>
> > remote PC.Good luck,-Shawn---
> vellamario2000> > wrote:&gt; The above 386
> Gridcase has Dos 3.30> > installed but
> no&gt; PCMASTER/PCSLAVE&gt; to be able>
> > to get at the c: through another PC.&gt;
> Anybody has> > any &gt; suggestions how to
> update the system> > without taking&gt;
> out the H/D and &gt; upgrading on> >
> another PC ?&gt; &gt; Thanks&gt;
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Yahoo! Message number: 757
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:49:30 -0500
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Original 15xx disks

 I acquired the Gridcase binder and manuals on Epay as I 
mentioned earlier. It came with the original disks. Included
were 3  3.5 disks as well as a 5 1/4 with PC Master/PC 
Slave. The 3.5 disks are the Dos 3.21 which is already in 
the files section, altho I haven't compared them, and 
Grid's version of a all-encompassing application, called 
"Integrid" as well as a tutorial disk called "Getting Started 
with Integrid". I'm sure patent rights no longer are 
enforced and am wondering if I should upload these to the
Files section. Since bit-rot attacks most older media it
would be good if these were mirrored. Comments ?

Lawrence   
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Yahoo! Message number: 758
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:24:50 -0500
From: Shannon Johnson
Subject: Fwd: Any one intersted in some books?

Hello all, this is some what off topic, and I've been lurking for a long time, but I got a bunch of computer books at a school surplus action. I took the few things I wanted and thought about selling the rest off. I was going to sell them on eBay...but everyone else is doing that already. So I am handing them out to intersted parties for US$1.00 plus the cost of shipping. 

http://homepage.mac.com/sljohnson/temp-files/books-for-sale.html

They all show signs of light use to differing degrees. They are sold as is. If you want a specific lot, get intouch with me by June 22, after that you can get the remaining lots for $1.00 plus shipping. By the end of the month, June 31, anything not sold, gets recylced. 

First Come?First Serve  

Shipped from 57379.

Trash this email if you don't care. But if you're interested, contact me off list...no need to clutter the list with books-for-sale emails.

Best regards,
Shannon Johnson
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Yahoo! Message number: 759
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 04:08:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Original 15xx disks

Lawrence,
I'd upload it.
Thanks,
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 760
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 06:00:34 -0500
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Original 15xx disks

 OK, they're up. I didn't include the Integrid tutorial. Don't 
know whether they will work without the GridDos.

Lawrence

On 7 Jun 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:

> Lawrence,
> I'd upload it.
> Thanks,
> -Shawn
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 761
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:15:46 -0000
From: "Linda"
Subject: 12 Grid Cases for sale

Hi all, I was finally able to check out my Grid Cases and although 
I'd like to sell them all at once I know the shipping would be out 
rageaous!,lol.. anyway here's what I was able to find out about each 
when powering up.. I only have I believe 4 maybe 6 ac adapters which 
all worked quite well when booting up the systems.  I don't know much 
about laptops so can't even tell you if they have batteries because I 
don't know where to look, but using the ac adapters this is what I 
know about each.. I will accept any reasonable offer and charge only 
actual shipping and insurance. my zip code is 72601: Harrison, 
Arkansas if you'd like to make offer including shipping charges. all 
units will be sold as is....Thanks, country_lala@...
1.Grid Case 1530 (386)Works great and boots to wordperfect 5.1. Dos 
with extended memory
2.Grid Case 1530 (386) Works great and boots to wordperfect 5.1 40 
gig HD.
3.1550 SX sounds like it's trying to boot.
4.1530 boot message, needs config
5.1520 (286) needs os 3.06 bios
6.Grid Case 2 - Screen is not to good but boots to bios
7.1530(386) bios 3.06 340 k with extended memory
8.1550 SX tries to boot-bad screen
9.Grid Case 2 - Beeps once.? written message says to turn on com port 
type, etc.. needs boot disk.
10.1530 (386) boot message - needs config system...
11.boots with message hard disk failure
12.1535 EXP - won't boot and has a bad screen.....
Thank You, Linda......

Yahoo! Message number: 762
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:18:22 -0000
From: "Linda"
Subject: I forgot to mention.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that most if not all do have Floppy 
drives. Thanks again, Linda

Yahoo! Message number: 763
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:35:21 -0000
From: "kerameya"
Subject: NO CMOS BATT,CONFIG HELP !!

Hi all,
My Gridcase 1530 gives the dreaded "Invalid Config 02" message at 
powerup, and will not read either drive after F1 after disk errors. 
It would nor read a config disk but would read a 6.22 disk one time 
and then started chattering and blinking the screen/battery light. 
Then that problem quit and it would just give disk errors and the 
floppy would go on and off every 20 seconds and print disk error over 
and over.
I took it apart and found there was NO CMOS battery. I checked the 
jumpers on the HD and they were right for this model. Now I do have a 
a spare 1520 model to salvage both drives &controller (working),& the 
CMOS battery. This is a good 1530--it has extra memory and 
coprocessor ! The Phoenix bios did not mention these either. 
 Is this a good course of action ? Any ideas on what is really going 
on here.
I just got a few days ago on e-bay from RAKI computer in Texas. They 
had 80 plus positives. I guess I should break the record ! They said 
it was reported "fully functional". That is of course until the CMOS 
battery was mothballed from it.

Please let me know what you think about this. Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.

A. Kerameya Collins

Yahoo! Message number: 764
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:01:28 -0000
From: "bobkaster"
Subject: Re: NO CMOS BATT,CONFIG HELP !!

Hello Kerameya,
I am not sure what you should do about your problems with the "fully
functional" discussion, but Radio Shack and Digikey have replacement
lithium batteries.  

Bob Kaster

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "kerameya" <kerameya@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> My Gridcase 1530 gives the dreaded "Invalid Config 02" message at 
> powerup, and will not read either drive after F1 after disk errors. 
> It would nor read a config disk but would read a 6.22 disk one time 
> and then started chattering and blinking the screen/battery light. 
> Then that problem quit and it would just give disk errors and the 
> floppy would go on and off every 20 seconds and print disk error over 
> and over.
> I took it apart and found there was NO CMOS battery. I checked the 
> jumpers on the HD and they were right for this model. Now I do have a 
> a spare 1520 model to salvage both drives &controller (working),& the 
> CMOS battery. This is a good 1530--it has extra memory and 
> coprocessor ! The Phoenix bios did not mention these either. 
>  Is this a good course of action ? Any ideas on what is really going 
> on here.
> I just got a few days ago on e-bay from RAKI computer in Texas. They 
> had 80 plus positives. I guess I should break the record ! They said 
> it was reported "fully functional". That is of course until the CMOS 
> battery was mothballed from it.
> 
> Please let me know what you think about this. Any help would be 
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> A. Kerameya Collins

Yahoo! Message number: 765
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:51:15 -0000
From: "kerameya"
Subject: CMOS BATT REPLACED:STILL DEAD

Hi all,
Well I put in CMOS battery, and still all I can get is "Phoenix 386 
BIOS" and Invalid Configuration file 02. I have tried everything know 
to access the CMOS/BIOS configure to no avail. What is the code if 
anyone knows ? If I plug in the drives screen will sit blank, and 
computer beeps a song. There is a weird piggybacked hand soldered 
chip on the motherboard that has MP9012W 74AC74PC. Several pins were 
cut. Is this standard ? The darn thing had a pile driver interface 
plugged into the back where the power supply goes when I got it with 
a funny piece of instrumentation, a "GFSCI Mountain States Interface 
type thing" on top. Did or would they modify chips inside to bypass 
CMOS. 

I'll be honest I really hate doing all this, and would sooner spend 
$200 for a working 1530 with a coprocessor. That is the golden egg. 
If anybody has one for sale let me know. Can a 286 model accept a 387 
coprocessor ? Can a 386 be configued by gutting the drives out of my 
286 ? Should I trash them both and start anew ? Is it possible the 
motherboard is fried ? How could I tell ?

I am frustrated to tears. If anyone can come to my aid I will see 
what we can work out.

*A. Kerameya Collins

Yahoo! Message number: 766
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:39:41 -0000
From: "Linda"
Subject: laptops for sale: SOLD

Thanks to everyone who replied to my laptops for sale... They have 
all been sold.. Have a good one, Linda......Country_lala

Yahoo! Message number: 767
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 05:31:10 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Need help with my GRiDCase 1520

It's been sitting on my shelf gathering dust for a few weeks now. I 
posted about this earlier, and someone said they knew of a 
workaround, but they never gave me any information after that...

Maybe I can actually try emailing GRiD Defence Systems? They did help 
me before; might be worth a shot.

Yahoo! Message number: 768
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 09:54:19 -0000
From: "joe"
Subject: needs HELP with my new grid lock

haveing lots of trouble with my gridlock 1530where can i find a 
recovery disk for my 1530 im runin windows 3.1

Yahoo! Message number: 769
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 16:46:36 -0000
From: "kerameya"
Subject: Re: Need help with my GRiDCase 1520

Hi beirnan,
It seems this configuration/CMOS/Setup thing seems to be a real 
bugaboo amongst the GRiD community. All I know is: There is no 
keystroke way to enter setup. There is a password killer posted in 
our files section on RuGrid, but it is my presumption you would need 
to get to setup, or be able to access your floppy to be able to 
utilize it. There must be a "golden disk" a magic bullet to these 
computers to get a GRiD that has lost its ability to know DOS written 
in machine code that will bring it back to a setup screen. My 1530 is 
in a pile in the kitchen with piles of floppies all over with 
Conf1520,config,1530BIOS,setup.exe,command.com, you name it. Ive 
taken the memory in and out, tried f and h drive commands, plugging 
the drive in, out, keystrokes (every known sequence for Phoenix) over 
ten hours of attempts, coaxing, crying, asking everyone I know do you 
know any hardware consultants? & two rugrid postings , using google 
to search another 5 hours.....and still "INVALID CONFIG 
INFO"....yesterday the backlite turned off after a few minutes and I 
got a disk boot error and a "invalid config info; 00" in addition to 
the 02 variety and the new developments dangle the carrot of hope. 
Before I turn this into an excercise in salvaging parts I want to 
know the answers to this also. 
The worst case scenario "your BIOS is fried", and you will need a 
EPROM burner to program a new set of 27C128 bios chips...I guess 
shawnerz bios code could be punched in hex digit by hex digit. (Ive 
already got a copy of WinHex to allow for this contingency)...on e-
bay there is some of this stuff for sale with some motions could be 
procured in the hope that this could bring humpty Grid back off the 
wall.....Then again it would be easier to enjoy a slurpee and wait 
until somebody puts one up for sale...and go watch fireworks...and 
try not to think about Dallas time chips, ROM Bios, and whether or 
not I should get out the Fluke multimeter and start poking blindly.

Best wishes friend with prayers to GRiD-GoD v.3.06 DoG release:)
But there is always hope that Phoenix's rise from their ashes :)

*A. Kerameya Collins




--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "beirnan" <gkbennett@j...> 
wrote:
> It's been sitting on my shelf gathering dust for a few weeks now. I 
> posted about this earlier, and someone said they knew of a 
> workaround, but they never gave me any information after that...
> 
> Maybe I can actually try emailing GRiD Defence Systems? They did 
help 
> me before; might be worth a shot.

Yahoo! Message number: 770
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Need help with my GRiDCase 1520

Beirnan,
What was the origibnal problem?  Was it the password
on boot up issue?  I was pretty sure I emailed that to
the list when I returned from my trip.
Please let us know what the problem is.
Thanks,
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 771
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 06:59:01 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Re: Need help with my GRiDCase 1520

Yes, it was the dreaded password-of-the-day prompt. It always gave me 
the invalid configuration information -code 02 message, but simply I 
would simply hit ctrl-alt-del and it would boot normally, although 
it'd wine about the time of day not being set.

As I said, it's been sitting on my shelf for weeks, but I just 
plugged it in and turned it on - and it booted! It gave me the code 
02 message of course, but it didn't request a password when I 
rebooted and it booted normally!

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> Beirnan,
> What was the origibnal problem?  Was it the password
> on boot up issue?  I was pretty sure I emailed that to
> the list when I returned from my trip.
> Please let us know what the problem is.
> Thanks,
> -Shawn
> 
> --- beirnan <gkbennett@j...> wrote:
> > It's been sitting on my shelf gathering dust for a
> > few weeks now. I 
> > posted about this earlier, and someone said they
> > knew of a 
> > workaround, but they never gave me any information
> > after that...
> > 
> > Maybe I can actually try emailing GRiD Defence
> > Systems? They did help 
> > me before; might be worth a shot.
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Yahoo! Message number: 772
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 19:05:23 -0000
From: "bigwalk_ca"
Subject: Re: Need help with my GRiDCase 1520

 If the password is the problem, shorting pin 2 to pin 21 on the
Dallas time chip will clear the Dallas rom which contains the
password. Be advised that it means disassembling the Grid in order to 
get at the DTC pins on the underside of the motherboard. You cannot 
edit the BIOS like on other machines and must use the set-up disk,
once you're able to access the OS, to set the various options.

Lawrence

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "kerameya" <kerameya@y...> 
wrote:
> Hi beirnan,
> It seems this configuration/CMOS/Setup thing seems to be a real 
> bugaboo amongst the GRiD community. All I know is: There is no 
> keystroke way to enter setup. There is a password killer posted in 
> our files section on RuGrid, but it is my presumption you would 
need 
> to get to setup, or be able to access your floppy to be able to 
> utilize it. There must be a "golden disk" a magic bullet to these 
> computers to get a GRiD that has lost its ability to know DOS 
written 
> in machine code that will bring it back to a setup screen. My 1530 
is 
> in a pile in the kitchen with piles of floppies all over with 
> Conf1520,config,1530BIOS,setup.exe,command.com, you name it. Ive 
> taken the memory in and out, tried f and h drive commands, plugging 
> the drive in, out, keystrokes (every known sequence for Phoenix) 
over 
> ten hours of attempts, coaxing, crying, asking everyone I know do 
you 
> know any hardware consultants? & two rugrid postings , using google 
> to search another 5 hours.....and still "INVALID CONFIG 
> INFO"....yesterday the backlite turned off after a few minutes and 
I 
> got a disk boot error and a "invalid config info; 00" in addition 
to 
> the 02 variety and the new developments dangle the carrot of hope. 
> Before I turn this into an excercise in salvaging parts I want to 
> know the answers to this also. 
> The worst case scenario "your BIOS is fried", and you will need a 
> EPROM burner to program a new set of 27C128 bios chips...I guess 
> shawnerz bios code could be punched in hex digit by hex digit. (Ive 
> already got a copy of WinHex to allow for this contingency)...on e-
> bay there is some of this stuff for sale with some motions could be 
> procured in the hope that this could bring humpty Grid back off the 
> wall.....Then again it would be easier to enjoy a slurpee and wait 
> until somebody puts one up for sale...and go watch fireworks...and 
> try not to think about Dallas time chips, ROM Bios, and whether or 
> not I should get out the Fluke multimeter and start poking blindly.
> 
> Best wishes friend with prayers to GRiD-GoD v.3.06 DoG release:)
> But there is always hope that Phoenix's rise from their ashes :)
> 
> *A. Kerameya Collins
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "beirnan" <gkbennett@j...> 
> wrote:
> > It's been sitting on my shelf gathering dust for a few weeks now. 
I 
> > posted about this earlier, and someone said they knew of a 
> > workaround, but they never gave me any information after that...
> > 
> > Maybe I can actually try emailing GRiD Defence Systems? They did 
> help 
> > me before; might be worth a shot.

Yahoo! Message number: 773
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:40:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: ATA Compact flash for the Grid 1530

Folks...

So this isn't a total surprise to you...  I have been
fiddling about with compact flash cards and descovered
there is an ATA mode.  So I figured there should be
adapters for IDE already on the market

I found this one
http://www.acscontrol.com/Index_ACS.asp?Page=/Pages/Products/CompactFlash/IDE_To_CF_Adapter.htm

That matches the footprint of the conner drives (not
perfectly but it does plug up)

I have just checked out a 16MB Lexar for the ATA ID
info and sure enough it comes up and tells you its
name then gives you head, cylender, and sector info.

Everything you need to cut a rom...

Don't go out and buy one yet,  It didn't work on the
first system I hooked it to and I am going to cut a
set of ROMS to try it on a 1530...  Should know
tonight (late) if it is goint to work.  Then I will be
in the market for some larger CF cards.

Cheers  


=====
Charles Ford
KC5-OWZ
cjford1@...
cjford1@...

Yahoo! Message number: 774
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:06:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ATA Compact flash for the Grid 1530

Great idea!
You know, I have seen the IDE to CF adapters before
but I never thought of using them for a GRiD.
Wow, it's perfect for replacing the old mechanical
drives.
Great idea, Charles.
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 775
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:38:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] ATA Compact flash for the Grid 1530

Good news                 :Bad news
The flash adapter works
when mounted in a GRiD...
Use the cable select 
jumper position and the 
flash card will ID just fine


However.

When I cut my ROMs I used 
the front end of the drive ID
string <<OOPS>> 

So it will be monday before 
I can get the GRiD bios to 
actually see it 

So remember 

When you get the model number 
and patch your ROM files
the one the GRiD looks at is
the last full word in the string

e.g. "Conner Pariferials 420MB - CFS420A"
the model is "CFS420A"

  and

"LEXAR 16M FLASH"...   Well  that would be "FLASH" and
<<NOT>> "LEXAR" 


--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Great idea!
You know, I have seen the IDE to CF adapters before
but I never thought of using them for a GRiD.
Wow, it's perfect for replacing the old mechanical
drives.
Great idea, Charles.
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 776
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:33:29 -0400
From:
Subject: grid parts

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

hello all

i just stripped out a bunch of plasma 1530's that came with smashed screens. i have extra everything except for screens. i also stripped out (2) 1550sx units. if anypone needs parts i'm selling at reasonable prices.

i am looking for a grid compass and info on making a boot disk so i can load dos on a wiped drive. none of my machines will boot right off the floppy. when i do the "f" key trick then they forget they have hard drives.. i cant win.

last but not least... how do you get into the bios on a 1520/1530

robert

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 777
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:34:48 -0400
From:
Subject: 1535 exp

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

whats with the 1535 exp. i cant find info on it other than it came with an isa slot base. inside it has a full size 5.25 hd!! crazy.. is this an oddball grid?


robert

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 778
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:59:22 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Does anyone have...

The pinout for the GRiDCase's keyboard?

Yahoo! Message number: 779
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:15:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amy Collins
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] grid parts
text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi Robert,
I came into a 1520 with a plasma screen.(Could be transferred to a 1530) What would be your price on a "working" 1530, makes all the proper boot noises with a smashed screen ? If you have any 2MB Sipps these would be usefull as well. Please let me know.
 
Thanks,
*Amy

dcat4955@... wrote:
hello all

i just stripped out a bunch of plasma 1530's that came with smashed screens. i have extra everything except for screens. i also stripped out (2) 1550sx units. if anypone needs parts i'm selling at reasonable prices.

i am looking for a grid compass and info on making a boot disk so i can load dos on a wiped drive. none of my machines will boot right off the floppy. when i do the "f" key trick then they forget they have hard drives.. i cant win.

last but not least... how do you get into the bios on a 1520/1530

robert


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If the password is the problem, shorting pin 2 to pin 21 on the
Dallas time chip will clear the Dallas rom which contains the
password. Be advised that it means disassembling the Grid in order to 
get at the DTC pins on the underside of the motherboard. You cannot 
edit the BIOS like on other machines and must use the set-up disk,
once you're able to access the OS, to set the various options.

Lawrence

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "kerameya" <kerameya@y...> 
wrote:
> Hi beirnan,
> It seems this configuration/CMOS/Setup thing seems to be a real 
> bugaboo amongst the GRiD community. All I know is: There is no 
> keystroke way to enter setup. There is a password killer posted in 
> our files section on RuGrid, but it is my presumption you would 
need 
> to get to setup, or be able to access your floppy to be able to 
> utilize it. There must be a "golden disk" a magic bullet to these 
> computers to get a GRiD that has lost its ability to know DOS 
written 
> in machine code that will bring it back to a setup screen. My 1530 
is 
> in a pile in the kitchen with piles of floppies all over with 
> Conf1520,config,1530BIOS,setup.exe,command.com, you name it. Ive 
> taken the memory in and out, tried f and h drive commands, plugging 
> the drive in, out, keystrokes (every known sequence for Phoenix) 
over 
> ten hours of attempts, coaxing, crying, asking everyone I know do 
you 
> know any hardware consultants? & two rugrid postings , using google 
> to search another 5 hours.....and still "INVALID CONFIG 
> INFO"....yesterday the backlite turned off after a few minutes and 
I 
> got a disk boot error and a "invalid config info; 00" in addition 
to 
> the 02 variety and the new developments dangle the carrot of hope. 
> Before I turn this into an excercise in salvaging parts I want to 
> know the answers to this also. 
> The worst case scenario "your BIOS is fried", and you will need a 
> EPROM burner to program a new set of 27C128 bios chips...I guess 
> shawnerz bios code could be punched in hex digit by hex digit. (Ive 
> already got a copy of WinHex to allow for this contingency)...on e-
> bay there is some of this stuff for sale with some motions could be 
> procured in the hope that this could bring humpty Grid back off the 
> wall.....Then again it would be easier to enjoy a slurpee and wait 
> until somebody puts one up for sale...and go watch fireworks...and 
> try not to think about Dallas time chips, ROM Bios, and whether or 
> not I should get out the Fluke multimeter and start poking blindly.
> 
> Best wishes friend with prayers to GRiD-GoD v.3.06 DoG release:)
> But there is always hope that Phoenix's rise from their ashes :)
> 
> *A. Kerameya Collins
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "beirnan" <gkbennett@j...> 
> wrote:
> > It's been sitting on my shelf gathering dust for a few weeks now. 
I 
> > posted about this earlier, and someone said they knew of a 
> > workaround, but they never gave me any information after that...
> > 
> > Maybe I can actually try emailing GRiD Defence Systems? They did 
> help 
> > me before; might be worth a shot.



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Yahoo! Message number: 780
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:42:11 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] grid parts

i stripped all the 1530 units but have all the parts. i do have extra memory but i have two types. can you send a pic of what memory you need. 

i dont know if the bottom plate is the same on the 1520 and 1530. i think the board is different and the internal p/s is different.

robert

> 
> From: Amy Collins <kerameya@...>
> Date: 2003/07/21 Mon PM 06:15:15 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] grid parts
> 
> Hi Robert,
> I came into a 1520 with a plasma screen.(Could be transferred to a 1530) What would be your price on a "working" 1530, makes all the proper boot noises with a smashed screen ? If you have any 2MB Sipps these would be usefull as well. Please let me know.
>  
> Thanks,
> *Amy
> 
> dcat4955@... wrote:
> hello all
> 
> i just stripped out a bunch of plasma 1530's that came with smashed screens. i have extra everything except for screens. i also stripped out (2) 1550sx units. if anypone needs parts i'm selling at reasonable prices.
> 
> i am looking for a grid compass and info on making a boot disk so i can load dos on a wiped drive. none of my machines will boot right off the floppy. when i do the "f" key trick then they forget they have hard drives.. i cant win.
> 
> last but not least... how do you get into the bios on a 1520/1530
> 
> robert
> 
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> If the password is the problem, shorting pin 2 to pin 21 on the
> Dallas time chip will clear the Dallas rom which contains the
> password. Be advised that it means disassembling the Grid in order to 
> get at the DTC pins on the underside of the motherboard. You cannot 
> edit the BIOS like on other machines and must use the set-up disk,
> once you're able to access the OS, to set the various options.
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "kerameya" <kerameya@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi beirnan,
> > It seems this configuration/CMOS/Setup thing seems to be a real 
> > bugaboo amongst the GRiD community. All I know is: There is no 
> > keystroke way to enter setup. There is a password killer posted in 
> > our files section on RuGrid, but it is my presumption you would 
> need 
> > to get to setup, or be able to access your floppy to be able to 
> > utilize it. There must be a "golden disk" a magic bullet to these 
> > computers to get a GRiD that has lost its ability to know DOS 
> written 
> > in machine code that will bring it back to a setup screen. My 1530 
> is 
> > in a pile in the kitchen with piles of floppies all over with 
> > Conf1520,config,1530BIOS,setup.exe,command.com, you name it. Ive 
> > taken the memory in and out, tried f and h drive commands, plugging 
> > the drive in, out, keystrokes (every known sequence for Phoenix) 
> over 
> > ten hours of attempts, coaxing, crying, asking everyone I know do 
> you 
> > know any hardware consultants? & two rugrid postings , using google 
> > to search another 5 hours.....and still "INVALID CONFIG 
> > INFO"....yesterday the backlite turned off after a few minutes and 
> I 
> > got a disk boot error and a "invalid config info; 00" in addition 
> to 
> > the 02 variety and the new developments dangle the carrot of hope. 
> > Before I turn this into an excercise in salvaging parts I want to 
> > know the answers to this also. 
> > The worst case scenario "your BIOS is fried", and you will need a 
> > EPROM burner to program a new set of 27C128 bios chips...I guess 
> > shawnerz bios code could be punched in hex digit by hex digit. (Ive 
> > already got a copy of WinHex to allow for this contingency)...on e-
> > bay there is some of this stuff for sale with some motions could be 
> > procured in the hope that this could bring humpty Grid back off the 
> > wall.....Then again it would be easier to enjoy a slurpee and wait 
> > until somebody puts one up for sale...and go watch fireworks...and 
> > try not to think about Dallas time chips, ROM Bios, and whether or 
> > not I should get out the Fluke multimeter and start poking blindly.
> > 
> > Best wishes friend with prayers to GRiD-GoD v.3.06 DoG release:)
> > But there is always hope that Phoenix's rise from their ashes :)
> > 
> > *A. Kerameya Collins
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "beirnan" <gkbennett@j...> 
> > wrote:
> > > It's been sitting on my shelf gathering dust for a few weeks now. 
> I 
> > > posted about this earlier, and someone said they knew of a 
> > > workaround, but they never gave me any information after that...
> > > 
> > > Maybe I can actually try emailing GRiD Defence Systems? They did 
> > help 
> > > me before; might be worth a shot.
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 781
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:52:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp

Robert,
Yes, the 1535 is a rarity.  Any pictures of it that
you can post?
As far as you other problems, I'm not sure what you
mean that it 'forgets it has a hard drive.'
Are you booting from floppy and the computer doesn't
see the hard drive, or is the computer even booting at
all?
Thanks,
-Shawn

--- dcat4955@... wrote:
> 
> whats with the 1535 exp. i cant find info on it
> other than it came with an isa slot base. inside it
> has a full size 5.25 hd!! crazy.. is this an oddball
> grid?
> 
> 
> robert
> 
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---------------------------------
 If the password is the problem, shorting pin 2 to pin
21 on the
Dallas time chip will clear the Dallas rom which
contains the
password. Be advised that it means disassembling the
Grid in order to 
get at the DTC pins on the underside of the
motherboard. You cannot 
edit the BIOS like on other machines and must use the
set-up disk,
once you're able to access the OS, to set the various
options.

Lawrence

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "kerameya"
<kerameya@y...> 
wrote:
> Hi beirnan,
> It seems this configuration/CMOS/Setup thing seems
to be a real 
> bugaboo amongst the GRiD community. All I know is:
There is no 
> keystroke way to enter setup. There is a password
killer posted in 
> our files section on RuGrid, but it is my
presumption you would 
need 
> to get to setup, or be able to access your floppy to
be able to 
> utilize it. There must be a "golden disk" a magic
bullet to these 
> computers to get a GRiD that has lost its ability to
know DOS 
written 
> in machine code that will bring it back to a setup
screen. My 1530 
is 
> in a pile in the kitchen with piles of floppies all
over with 
> Conf1520,config,1530BIOS,setup.exe,command.com, you
name it. Ive 
> taken the memory in and out, tried f and h drive
commands, plugging 
> the drive in, out, keystrokes (every known sequence
for Phoenix) 
over 
> ten hours of attempts, coaxing, crying, asking
everyone I know do 
you 
> know any hardware consultants? & two rugrid postings
, using google 
> to search another 5 hours.....and still "INVALID
CONFIG 
> INFO"....yesterday the backlite turned off after a
few minutes and 
I 
> got a disk boot error and a "invalid config info;
00" in addition 
to 
> the 02 variety and the new developments dangle the
carrot of hope. 
> Before I turn this into an excercise in salvaging
parts I want to 
> know the answers to this also. 
> The worst case scenario "your BIOS is fried", and
you will need a 
> EPROM burner to program a new set of 27C128 bios
chips...I guess 
> shawnerz bios code could be punched in hex digit by
hex digit. (Ive 
> already got a copy of WinHex to allow for this
contingency)...on e-
> bay there is some of this stuff for sale with some
motions could be 
> procured in the hope that this could bring humpty
Grid back off the 
> wall.....Then again it would be easier to enjoy a
slurpee and wait 
> until somebody puts one up for sale...and go watch
fireworks...and 
> try not to think about Dallas time chips, ROM Bios,
and whether or 
> not I should get out the Fluke multimeter and start
poking blindly.
> 
> Best wishes friend with prayers to GRiD-GoD v.3.06
DoG release:)
> But there is always hope that Phoenix's rise from
their ashes :)
> 
> *A. Kerameya Collins
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "beirnan"
<gkbennett@j...> 
> wrote:
> > It's been sitting on my shelf gathering dust for a
few weeks now. 
I 
> > posted about this earlier, and someone said they
knew of a 
> > workaround, but they never gave me any information
after that...
> > 
> > Maybe I can actually try emailing GRiD Defence
Systems? They did 
> help 
> > me before; might be worth a shot.



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Yahoo! Message number: 782
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 9:49:11 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

it boots to hard drive fail, if i hit "f" to boot from floppy i cant go back to c:

robert

> 
> From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
> Date: 2003/07/21 Mon PM 11:52:40 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp
> 
> 

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 783
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:27:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp

OK Robert,
It looks like the computer cannot see the hard drive. 
The interface may be bad, but more likely, the hard
drive is bad.It is probably a Conner Periphials drive.
 Finding a replacement is difficult, but not
impossible.  You can replace the drive but then you
have to go remove the BIOS EPROMS, dump their contents
to a file with a PROM reader/burner, go in with a hex
editor and change the drive model numbers, then burn
new PROMS.
As far as making changes to the BIOS, look in the
Files section of this group and look for 1530cfg. 
That should do it for you!  Good luck,
-Shawn


--- dcat4955@... wrote:
> it boots to hard drive fail, if i hit "f" to boot
> from floppy i cant go back to c:

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:51:18 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

hex edit?? wow... this laptop is cool but not that cool :-(

what happens if i put in a slightly larger drive? will it work but not recognize the larger capacity?

finally... what file system are these drives formated in? i was thinking of dropping it in a regular pc and doing a complete re format.

robert

> 
> From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
> Date: 2003/07/22 Tue AM 11:27:58 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp
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Yahoo! Message number: 785
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:12:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp

Robert,
The problem is, on boot up, the computer looks to see
what model hard drive is installed.  It basically asks
the hard drive, "What are you?"
Then the computer looks in a table in it's BIOS chip
to see if the model number of the installed drive
matches the one in the BIOS table.  If it doesn't
match (or the drive doesn't respond), then no boot
from the hard drive.
I have a Grid 1520.  It's a 286 running at 16 MHz. 
I've pulled and dumped it's BIOS chips and it looks
for 3 specific model numbers: CP3022 CP344 CP3104.  No
match, no boot.
The only reason I can think why Grid did this is it is
possible the drive can't pass it's Cylinder Head
Sector (CHS) a.k.a drive geometry to the computer.

The file system is stright DOS FAT16 although it could
be FAT32 if Win 3.1 was loaded.

You could drop it in another PC as a non booting drive
and see if there is any data on it.
Good luck and let us know. 
-Shawn

--- dcat4955@... wrote:
> hex edit?? wow... this laptop is cool but not that
> cool :-(
> 
> what happens if i put in a slightly larger drive?
> will it work but not recognize the larger capacity?
> 
> finally... what file system are these drives
> formated in? i was thinking of dropping it in a
> regular pc and doing a complete re format.
> 
> robert

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Yahoo! Message number: 786
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:22:37 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Gridcase 1530 Display

Hi!
Anyone here can help me?

I have a gridcase 1530, that´s working very well, but
it has a boring REVERSED-BLUE CGA DISPLAY.

It is blue-foreground and White-background. But it´s terrible!
I think it´s a high-visibility contrast scheme.

I´ve tried the config.exe utility, but no success at all!
I´ve tried all config.exe commands.:

FONT=x
COLORMAP=x
DISPLAY=NORMAL
DISPLAY=REVERSE
MAXCONTRAST=OFF
, etc...
But they all return: "This is not supported on this system."
What shall I do? (Maybe paint the screen with blue ink?)

Please let em know!

Yahoo! Message number: 787
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:30:50 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Gridcase 1530 Processor

Hi!
It´s me again!

Well, I´ve put the 1530 down into parts (for internal cleaning ) and
I found a 80386-Dx-16 processor, would it be possible to change it to
a 80386-DX/DXL-40 (I have stored since my old 386 died :) )

I´ve notice a 16.000 or something Xtal on the board, near of
if, I also found an adjust pot/coil. (If you lift the ROMs case
you can see it through the PCB)
Does this one controls the bus/processor speed?
Is it possible to work with the 80386 DX40 ?

Thanks!

Yahoo! Message number: 788
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:35:13 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Gridcase 1530 Display

Hi!
Anyone here can help me?

I have a gridcase 1530, that´s working very well, but
it has a boring REVERSED-BLUE CGA DISPLAY.

It is blue-foreground and White-background. But it´s terrible!
I think it´s a high-visibility contrast scheme.

I´ve tried the config.exe utility, but no success at all!
I´ve tried all config.exe commands.:

FONT=x
COLORMAP=x
DISPLAY=NORMAL
DISPLAY=REVERSE
MAXCONTRAST=OFF
, etc...
But they all return: "This is not supported on this system."
What shall I do? (Maybe paint the screen with blue ink?)

Please let em know!

Yahoo! Message number: 789
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:16:12 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 Display

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

hey thats cool! if you give up on the boring blue let me know, i'll buy it!

robert

> 
> From: "celso_3b" <amaralmiranda@...>
> Date: 2003/07/23 Wed PM 01:22:37 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 Display
> 
> 

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Yahoo! Message number: 790
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 Processor

Hello, me again!

I don't know for sure, but my guess is you could
change the processor.  

I would imagine the pot/coil would give you maybe +/-
100 HZ of additional speed.  Not much.  I would guess
the adjustment is a "fine tune" adjustment.

So overall, chaning the processor won't be that much
of a gain.  If you decide to overclock, the processor
with draw more current (possible more than the supply
can deliver) and the other componets may not be able
to support the increase in speed.

Concerning the display issue in your other email, I'm
not an expert on the 1530.  I have a 1520 and used to
have a 1550SX.  The configuration utilities for those
computers was 'conf1520.exe' and 'conf1550.exe'.
Perhaps you need to use 'conf1530.exe' instead.
Good luck and please let us know how it goes.
-Shawn
--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
> Hi! 
> Its me again!
> 
> Well, Ive put the 1530 down into parts (for
> internal cleaning ) and 
> I found a 80386-Dx-16 processor, would it be
> possible to change it to 
> a 80386-DX/DXL-40 (I have stored since my old 386
> died :) )
> 
> Ive notice a 16.000 or something Xtal on the board,
> near of
> if, I also found an adjust pot/coil. (If you lift
> the ROMs case
> you can see it through the PCB)
> Does this one controls the bus/processor speed?
> Is it possible to work with the 80386 DX40 ?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 791
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:27:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: ""
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp

 
Found these 1535EXP pictures--- On Mon 07/21, Shawnerz < shawnerz@... > wrote:
From: Shawnerz [mailto: shawnerz@...]To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:52:40 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 expRobert,Yes, the 1535 is a rarity.  Any pictures of it thatyou can post?As far as you other problems, I'm not sure what youmean that it 'forgets it has a hard drive.'Are you booting from floppy and the computer doesn'tsee the hard drive, or is the computer even booting atall?Thanks,-Shawn--- dcat4955@... wrote:> > whats with the 1535 exp. i cant find info on it> other than it came with an isa slot base. inside it> has a full size 5.25 hd!! crazy.. is this an oddball> grid?> > > robert> > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> RuGRiD-Laptop-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> >  > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
 / > > ---------------------------------If the password is the problem, shorting pin 2 to pin21 on theDallas time chip will clear the Dallas rom whichcontains thepassword. Be advised that it means disassembling theGrid in order to get at the DTC pins on the underside of themotherboard. You cannot edit the BIOS like on other machines and must use theset-up disk,once you're able to access the OS, to set the variousoptions.Lawrence--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "kerameya"wrote:> Hi beirnan,> It seems this configuration/CMOS/Setup thing seemsto be a real > bugaboo amongst the GRiD community. All I know is:There is no > keystroke way to enter setup. There is a passwordkiller posted in > our files section on RuGrid, but it is mypresumption you would need > to get to setup, or be able to access your floppy tobe able to > utilize it. There must be a "golden disk" a magicbullet to these > computers to get a GRiD that has lost its ability toknow DOS
  written > in machine code that will bring it back to a setupscreen. My 1530 is > in a pile in the kitchen with piles of floppies allover with > Conf1520,config,1530BIOS,setup.exe,command.com, youname it. Ive > taken the memory in and out, tried f and h drivecommands, plugging > the drive in, out, keystrokes (every known sequencefor Phoenix) over > ten hours of attempts, coaxing, crying, askingeveryone I know do you > know any hardware consultants? & two rugrid postings, using google > to search another 5 hours.....and still "INVALIDCONFIG > INFO"....yesterday the backlite turned off after afew minutes and I > got a disk boot error and a "invalid config info;00" in addition to > the 02 variety and the new developments dangle thecarrot of hope. > Before I turn this into an excercise in salvagingparts I want to > know the answers to this also. > The worst case scenario "your BIOS is fried", andyou will need a > EPROM burner to p
 rogram a new set of 27C128 bioschips...I guess > shawnerz bios code could be punched in hex digit byhex digit. (Ive > already got a copy of WinHex to allow for thiscontingency)...on e-> bay there is some of this stuff for sale with somemotions could be > procured in the hope that this could bring humptyGrid back off the > wall.....Then again it would be easier to enjoy aslurpee and wait > until somebody puts one up for sale...and go watchfireworks...and > try not to think about Dallas time chips, ROM Bios,and whether or > not I should get out the Fluke multimeter and startpoking blindly.> > Best wishes friend with prayers to GRiD-GoD v.3.06DoG release:)> But there is always hope that Phoenix's rise fromtheir ashes :)> > *A. Kerameya Collins> > > > > --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "beirnan"> wrote:> > It's been sitting on my shelf gathering dust for afew weeks now. I > > posted about this earlier, and
  someone said theyknew of a > > workaround, but they never gave me any informationafter that...> > > > Maybe I can actually try emailing GRiD DefenceSystems? They did > help > > me before; might be worth a shot.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:RuGRiD-Laptop-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.comYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!Terms of Service.__________________________________Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design softwarehttp://sitebuilder.yahoo.com



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Yahoo! Message number: 792
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:29:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amy Collins
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 Display
text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi There,
I am all too famialiar with that display. Given that the display you are speaking of is a monochrome LCD, you will not get it to display anything other than blue. The best thing I can come up with is inverting the current sceme to put light blue on dark blue. Then it would look like the startup screen on a Commodore 64 :) I tried one evening with similar esults.  I would look at the options if you are running the config1520 from our site. The one with the CONFIG ? menu. There is one that allows for CGA EGA VGA modes that are covered and make sure CGA is selected.  Also look in an old DOS book, perhaps there is a batch file you could write with commands realting to ANSI.SYS code 7 reverse video. There are SVGA upgrade modules out there for a GRiDcase, but I don't know how this could help other than increasing resolution.(*Please correct me if the SVGA out there can make a full color 15XX GRiD, I have never seen one*) The idea of colormap is applicable to multi-color machines. The best
 way to get some excitement is to find the sharp looking plasma machine with the "sinister" red display ! But that's only my opinion, and I like burnt toast :)
 
All the best,
*Amy Kerameya Collins

celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
Hi!
Anyone here can help me?

I have a gridcase 1530, thats working very well, but
it has a boring REVERSED-BLUE CGA DISPLAY.

It is blue-foreground and White-background. But its terrible!
I think its a high-visibility contrast scheme.

Ive tried the config.exe utility, but no success at all!
Ive tried all config.exe commands.: 

FONT=x
COLORMAP=x
DISPLAY=NORMAL
DISPLAY=REVERSE
MAXCONTRAST=OFF
, etc...
But they all return: "This is not supported on this system."
What shall I do? (Maybe paint the screen with blue ink?)

Please let em know!




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Yahoo! Message number: 793
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:08:25 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

i have the laptop and the doc, dont have the plug in vga cartridge. thats cool!

robert

> 
> From: "" <mario.vella@...>
> Date: 2003/07/23 Wed PM 03:27:56 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp
> 
>  
> 
> Found these 1535EXP pictures--- On Mon 07/21, Shawnerz < shawnerz@... > wrote:
> 
> From: Shawnerz [mailto: shawnerz@...]To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:52:40 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 expRobert,Yes, the 1535 is a rarity.  Any pictures of it thatyou can post?As far as you other problems, I'm not sure what youmean that it 'forgets it has a hard drive.'Are you booting from floppy and the computer doesn'tsee the hard drive, or is the computer even booting atall?Thanks,-Shawn--- dcat4955@... wrote:> > whats with the 1535 exp. i cant find info on it> other than it came with an isa slot base. inside it> has a full size 5.25 hd!! crazy.. is this an oddball> grid?> > > robert> > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> RuGRiD-Laptop-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> >  > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
>  / > > ---------------------------------If the password is the problem, shorting pin 2 to pin21 on theDallas time chip will clear the Dallas rom whichcontains thepassword. Be advised that it means disassembling theGrid in order to get at the DTC pins on the underside of themotherboard. You cannot edit the BIOS like on other machines and must use theset-up disk,once you're able to access the OS, to set the variousoptions.Lawrence--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "kerameya"wrote:> Hi beirnan,> It seems this configuration/CMOS/Setup thing seemsto be a real > bugaboo amongst the GRiD community. All I know is:There is no > keystroke way to enter setup. There is a passwordkiller posted in > our files section on RuGrid, but it is mypresumption you would need > to get to setup, or be able to access your floppy tobe able to > utilize it. There must be a "golden disk" a magicbullet to these > computers to get a GRiD that has lost its ability toknow DOS
>   written > in machine code that will bring it back to a setupscreen. My 1530 is > in a pile in the kitchen with piles of floppies allover with > Conf1520,config,1530BIOS,setup.exe,command.com, youname it. Ive > taken the memory in and out, tried f and h drivecommands, plugging > the drive in, out, keystrokes (every known sequencefor Phoenix) over > ten hours of attempts, coaxing, crying, askingeveryone I know do you > know any hardware consultants? & two rugrid postings, using google > to search another 5 hours.....and still "INVALIDCONFIG > INFO"....yesterday the backlite turned off after afew minutes and I > got a disk boot error and a "invalid config info;00" in addition to > the 02 variety and the new developments dangle thecarrot of hope. > Before I turn this into an excercise in salvagingparts I want to > know the answers to this also. > The worst case scenario "your BIOS is fried", andyou will need a > EPROM burner to p
>  rogram a new set of 27C128 bioschips...I guess > shawnerz bios code could be punched in hex digit byhex digit. (Ive > already got a copy of WinHex to allow for thiscontingency)...on e-> bay there is some of this stuff for sale with somemotions could be > procured in the hope that this could bring humptyGrid back off the > wall.....Then again it would be easier to enjoy aslurpee and wait > until somebody puts one up for sale...and go watchfireworks...and > try not to think about Dallas time chips, ROM Bios,and whether or > not I should get out the Fluke multimeter and startpoking blindly.> > Best wishes friend with prayers to GRiD-GoD v.3.06DoG release:)> But there is always hope that Phoenix's rise fromtheir ashes :)> > *A. Kerameya Collins> > > > > --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "beirnan"> wrote:> > It's been sitting on my shelf gathering dust for afew weeks now. I > > posted about this earlier, and
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Yahoo! Message number: 794
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:15:32 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 Display

red plasma!!! COOL!!!!!! i cant seem to find one of those :-(

robert

> 
> From: Amy Collins <kerameya@...>
> Date: 2003/07/23 Wed PM 03:29:37 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 Display
> 
> Hi There,
> I am all too famialiar with that display. Given that the display you are speaking of is a monochrome LCD, you will not get it to display anything other than blue. The best thing I can come up with is inverting the current sceme to put light blue on dark blue. Then it would look like the startup screen on a Commodore 64 :) I tried one evening with similar esults.  I would look at the options if you are running the config1520 from our site. The one with the CONFIG ? menu. There is one that allows for CGA EGA VGA modes that are covered and make sure CGA is selected.  Also look in an old DOS book, perhaps there is a batch file you could write with commands realting to ANSI.SYS code 7 reverse video. There are SVGA upgrade modules out there for a GRiDcase, but I don't know how this could help other than increasing resolution.(*Please correct me if the SVGA out there can make a full color 15XX GRiD, I have never seen one*) The idea of colormap is applicable to multi-color machines. The best
>  way to get some excitement is to find the sharp looking plasma machine with the "sinister" red display ! But that's only my opinion, and I like burnt toast :)
>  
> All the best,
> *Amy Kerameya Collins
> 
> celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
> Hi!
> Anyone here can help me?
> 
> I have a gridcase 1530, that?s working very well, but
> it has a boring REVERSED-BLUE CGA DISPLAY.
> 
> It is blue-foreground and White-background. But it?s terrible!
> I think it?s a high-visibility contrast scheme.
> 
> I?ve tried the config.exe utility, but no success at all!
> I?ve tried all config.exe commands.: 
> 
> FONT=x
> COLORMAP=x
> DISPLAY=NORMAL
> DISPLAY=REVERSE
> MAXCONTRAST=OFF
> , etc...
> But they all return: "This is not supported on this system."
> What shall I do? (Maybe paint the screen with blue ink?)
> 
> Please let em know!
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 795
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:14:58 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: Gridcase 1530 Display

Hi Amy, I think I´ve not made I very clear...
I don´t think the blue Boring...
I think it´s great!
BUT.....
The white background is terrible... I want to reverse it back.
It only turns white wen it loads the Bios.
When I CTRl+ALT+DEL it, it becomes normal blue.




--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Amy Collins <kerameya@y...>
wrote:
> Hi There,
> I am all too famialiar with that display. Given that the display
...
..
.

Yahoo! Message number: 796
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:20:04 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Gridcase 1530 Blue Display

Hi Amy, I think I´ve not made I very clear...
I don´t think the blue Boring...
I think it´s great!
BUT.....
The white background is terrible... I want to reverse it back.
It only turns white wen it loads the Bios.
When I CTRl+ALT+DEL it, it becomes normal blue.




--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Amy Collins <kerameya@y...>
wrote:
> Hi There,
> I am all too famialiar with that display. Given that the display
...
..
.

Yahoo! Message number: 797
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 05:10:22 -0000
From: "kerameya"
Subject: Gridcase 1520 & AMD 80C287-10?

Hi all,
I was recently told that the 287-3 that I installed in my Gridcase 
1520 is going to be overclocked. Would an AMD 80C287-10  be 
compatible without too much grief ? Does anyone out there have 
experince with this ??
Thanks,
*Amy Kerameya 

Yahoo! Message number: 798
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535 exp

Thanks for the picture, Mario!
-Shawn

---  <mario.vella@...> wrote:
>  
> Found these 1535EXP pictures--- On Mon 07/21,


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Yahoo! Message number: 799
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:44:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1520 & AMD 80C287-10?

All you have to do is be sure that you have the
correct package.

In that day the 287 came in three packages.
Dip 40:  The traditional 40 pin duel in line
PGA 44:  Pin grid array
PLCC 44: Plastic Leaded Chip Carrier

Most 1520s used DIP40 but I have seen one with a PLCC

There are conversion sockets but since the chips are
typically located under the keyboard there is usually
no room for a stack of extras


--- kerameya <kerameya@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Hi all,
I was recently told that the 287-3 that I installed in
my Gridcase 
1520 is going to be overclocked. Would an AMD
80C287-10  be 
compatible without too much grief ? Does anyone out
there have 
experince with this ??
Thanks,
*Amy Kerameya 


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Yahoo! Message number: 800
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:47:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 Blue Display

I believe that <Ctrl><Alt><Bkspc> will toggle that...

--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Hi Amy, I think Ive not made I very clear...
I dont think the blue Boring...
I think its great!
BUT.....
The white background is terrible... I want to reverse
it back.
It only turns white wen it loads the Bios.
When I CTRl+ALT+DEL it, it becomes normal blue.




--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Amy Collins
<kerameya@y...> 
wrote:
> Hi There,
> I am all too famialiar with that display. Given that
the display 
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Yahoo! Message number: 801
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:19:53 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: Gridcase 1530 Blue Display

Hi!

No, It did not work...
I´ve tried CTRL + ALT + (Every key I could)..
Nothing.... (except Booting on DEL!!!)  :)

By the way, this gridcase 1530, has the word "UpJohn" on the space
bar..
?????????? What the hell is that?

Thanks.



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wrote:
> I believe that <Ctrl><Alt><Bkspc> will toggle that...
>
> --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
> Hi Amy, I think I´ve not made I very clear...
> I don´t think the blue Boring...
> I think it´s great!
> BUT.....
> The white background is terrible... I want to reverse
> it back.
> It only turns white wen it loads the Bios.
> When I CTRl+ALT+DEL it, it becomes normal blue.
>
>
>
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Amy Collins
> <kerameya@y...>
> wrote:
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> > I am all too famialiar with that display. Given that
> the display
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Yahoo! Message number: 802
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:30:30 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Grid 1720

Hi!

I got another Grid, this time it´s a Grid 1720...
Its battery has melted, exploded, whatever you may say.
So, it´s not working... I´ve disassembled it, and tryed to clean.
But.. nothing, except for the 1 minute Hd spinnig and leds On.
After This... Death.
I think Its Mobo layers are ruined.
So...
Any cool info about that little-pretty thing?
If I´m not wrong, It is a 286 60Mb Hd.
But I could not see any RAM.
Only 4 VERY-LARGE and EMPTY SIMM slots, where conventional SIMMs do
not fit in.

By the way.. it a is VERY light and small laptop, when compared to
the 1530.

thanks!

Yahoo! Message number: 803
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:56:19 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Gridcase 1530 Blue Display

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

upjohn is a drug company

robert

> 
> From: "celso_3b" <amaralmiranda@...>
> Date: 2003/07/24 Thu PM 05:19:53 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Gridcase 1530 Blue Display
> 
> 

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 804
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:08:19 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: Gridcase 1530 Blue Display

????
Why is it there?
This machine belonged to a very large statistics, research and public
opinion company here in my country.
I don´t think it had any relation to this UpJohn drug company.

So... Why? Any hints?



--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> upjohn is a drug company
>
> robert
>
> >
> > From: "celso_3b" <amaralmiranda@h...>
> > Date: 2003/07/24 Thu PM 05:19:53 EDT
> > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Gridcase 1530 Blue Display
> >
> >

Yahoo! Message number: 805
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:54:48 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Gridcase 1530 Blue Display

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

if the opinion research was big enough, upjohn may have provided the laptops with some proprietary software for the research company.

robert

> 
> From: "celso_3b" <amaralmiranda@...>
> Date: 2003/07/24 Thu PM 10:08:19 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Gridcase 1530 Blue Display
> 
> 

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 806
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 05:36:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Grid 1720

Hello there.
I believe the 1720 has a plastic case and not the
magnesium case.  That's why it's so much lighter.
Are you sure those are SIMM slots and not SIPP slots. 
SIPPs have pins extending from the bottom of the
memory module where SIMMs are made to fit in a
"craddle."
BTW, what are "Mobo layers?"
Also, the symptoms you describe are what happens with
no RAM modules inside.  It's possible that once RAM is
installed, the unit will boot.
Good luck,
-Shawn
--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I got another Grid, this time its a Grid 1720...
> Its battery has melted, exploded, whatever you may
> say.
> So, its not working... Ive disassembled it, and
> tryed to clean.
> But.. nothing, except for the 1 minute Hd spinnig
> and leds On.
> After This... Death.
> I think Its Mobo layers are ruined.
> So...
> Any cool info about that little-pretty thing?
> If Im not wrong, It is a 286 60Mb Hd.
> But I could not see any RAM.
> Only 4 VERY-LARGE and EMPTY SIMM slots, where
> conventional SIMMs do 
> not fit in.
> 
> By the way.. it a is VERY light and small laptop,
> when compared to 
> the 1530.
> 
> thanks!
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Yahoo! Message number: 807
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:15:24 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: Grid 1720

Hi!
Yes, they are SIMMs slots, not SIPPs, (It´s printed below them)
But they are VERY large, as I´ve said.
Mobo Layers, well, it´s MOther-BOard Layers, the circuit layers that
are "printed" and "sandwiched" togheter, when they make the Mother-
board or any multi-layered Printed-Circuit-Board (PCB).
I think they are ruined, because of the corrosion.
As most of you, know, the tracks of the PCB are quite "thin", they
don´t handle the dropped battery acid very well.

By the way, now the leds won´t come up anymore. :(

Thanks!



--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> Hello there.
> I believe the 1720 has a plastic case and not the
> magnesium case.  That's why it's so much lighter.
> Are you sure those are SIMM slots and not SIPP slots.
> SIPPs have pins extending from the bottom of the
> memory module where SIMMs are made to fit in a
> "craddle."
> BTW, what are "Mobo layers?"
> Also, the symptoms you describe are what happens with
> no RAM modules inside.  It's possible that once RAM is
> installed, the unit will boot.
> Good luck,
> -Shawn
> --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I got another Grid, this time it´s a Grid 1720...
> > Its battery has melted, exploded, whatever you may
> > say.
> > So, it´s not working... I´ve disassembled it, and
> > tryed to clean.
> > But.. nothing, except for the 1 minute Hd spinnig
> > and leds On.
> > After This... Death.
> > I think Its Mobo layers are ruined.
> > So...
> > Any cool info about that little-pretty thing?
> > If I´m not wrong, It is a 286 60Mb Hd.
> > But I could not see any RAM.
> > Only 4 VERY-LARGE and EMPTY SIMM slots, where
> > conventional SIMMs do
> > not fit in.
> > 
> > By the way.. it a is VERY light and small laptop,
> > when compared to
> > the 1530.
> >
> > thanks!
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 808
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:12:28 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: 35-PIN SIMMs

Hi there!

I counted the pins on the 1720 memory bank, and found
some 4 "interesting" 35-pin SIMMs slots.

????????
The only place on the web mentioning it, was on Rob´s forum, but
the message was not replyed.

Any guesses, tips, helps, prays???
Somewhere I can find?
Pinout for modules?

I made the 1720 turn on again, but no success on booting....
As I was told... No RAM!

Thanks!

Yahoo! Message number: 809
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:10:35 -0000
From: "vellamario2000"
Subject: Nokia Alfaskop LT310 made by Grid to Nokia Specifications

Anyone in the group has heard or knows anything of these laptops made
by Grid in the late 80´s based on 80386 with a 80387 socket?
Same magnisium alloy case and design as the 1530 but light grey
instead of black. It has a VGA greyish/white display with black text.

Yahoo! Message number: 810
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:50:30 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Nokia Alfaskop LT310 made by Grid to Nokia Specifications

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

never seen one but grid did make some special machines. got pics of this machine???

robert

> 
> From: "vellamario2000" <mario.vella@...>
> Date: 2003/07/26 Sat AM 07:10:35 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Nokia  Alfaskop LT310 made by Grid to Nokia Specifications
> 
> 

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 811
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:11:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Nokia Alfaskop LT310 made by Grid to Nokia Specifications

Vella,
I have never heard of it, but I am not a Grid expert.
Sorry,
-Shawn
--- vellamario2000 <mario.vella@...> wrote:
> Anyone in the group has heard or knows anything of
> these laptops made 
> by Grid in the late 80s based on 80386 with a 80387
> socket? 
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> light grey 
> instead of black. It has a VGA greyish/white display
> with black text.
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Yahoo! Message number: 812
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:37:28 -0400
From:
Subject: nasa grid

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

i sent his to another grid fan but thought some of you guys would be interested so i'll post it here. i have a grid that came from nasa. it may have been on a shuttle mission. supposedly nasa had two of the same in case one failed just prior to a mission. 

i popped the top last night to see what was inside..
the laptop has been extensively modified. teflon wiring everywhere. all fasteners are stainless. where the modem normally goes there is a different board that is tied in to the battery backplane. it looks like part of the power supply. the hard disk/floppy assembly has a yellow transparent film over the perforated metal cage much like what they use on overhead projector sheets. the display does not have the usual bright/dim switch and has no label. there was no glue so it doesnt look like it was removed, just never stuck on. all of the boards and parts  inside are hand stenciled with part numbers. the internal power supply is custom made and the fan is 24v. bolted right onto the backplane assembly on a custom bracket in the machine is a small hour meter. this machine has over 8,000 hours on it. all of the boards are coated with clear rtv. its was obviously brushed on by hand. some poor shmuck probably got a realy bad headache from the fumes by the time he finished! the machine does have the 387 math coprocessor and a full load of memory also covered in globs of rtv. the cable from the display panel that goes to the motherboard is completely covered with black plastic braided flex hose material. the conector backplane (serial/parallel/ etc) seems to have gold pins going from the ckt board to the actual conectors but the conectors on the outside for serial/parallel are regular grid found on other 1500 series. there is no model number and manufacturer info on it other than the grid emblems cast into the case material. there is the silver label from mcdonnel douglas but nothing from grid. on the top cover where the top mounted fan is, it apears as if the fan is riveted to the cover, its not. the metal screen is riveted with black painted brass rivets and the fan is mounted to the internal power supply.

it looks like if this grid was custom made for nasa, no modded for nasa. just about every harness has teflon wiring. the battery backplane and mystery board where the modem would be where made by SAI. i wonder if this is the same as SAIC which builds custom things for DoD. the hard drive and floppy assembly backplane are regular epson.

will send more info as i dig deeper in an attemt to turn it on.

robert

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 813
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:03:00 -0400
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] nasa grid
text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Neat.

Pictures would be nice.


dcat4955@... wrote:

> i sent his to another grid fan but thought some of you guys would be
> interested so i'll post it here. i have a grid that came from nasa. it
> may have been on a shuttle mission. supposedly nasa had two of the
> same in case one failed just prior to a mission.
>
> i popped the top last night to see what was inside..
> the laptop has been extensively modified. teflon wiring everywhere.
> all fasteners are stainless. where the modem normally goes there is a
> different board that is tied in to the battery backplane. it looks
> like part of the power supply. the hard disk/floppy assembly has a
> yellow transparent film over the perforated metal cage much like what
> they use on overhead projector sheets. the display does not have the
> usual bright/dim switch and has no label. there was no glue so it
> doesnt look like it was removed, just never stuck on. all of the
> boards and parts  inside are hand stenciled with part numbers. the
> internal power supply is custom made and the fan is 24v. bolted right
> onto the backplane assembly on a custom bracket in the machine is a
> small hour meter. this machine has over 8,000 hours on it. all of the
> boards are coated with clear rtv. its was obviously brushed on by
> hand. some poor shmuck probably got a realy bad headache from the
> fumes by the time he finished! the machine does have the 387 math
> coprocessor and a full load of memory also covered in globs of rtv.
> the cable from the display panel that goes to the motherboard is
> completely covered with black plastic braided flex hose material. the
> conector backplane (serial/parallel/ etc) seems to have gold pins
> going from the ckt board to the actual conectors but the conectors on
> the outside for serial/parallel are regular grid found on other 1500
> series. there is no model number and manufacturer info on it other
> than the grid emblems cast into the case material. there is the silver
> label from mcdonnel douglas but nothing from grid. on the top cover
> where the top mounted fan is, it apears as if the fan is riveted to
> the cover, its not. the metal screen is riveted with black painted
> brass rivets and the fan is mounted to the internal power supply.
>
> it looks like if this grid was custom made for nasa, no modded for
> nasa. just about every harness has teflon wiring. the battery
> backplane and mystery board where the modem would be where made by
> SAI. i wonder if this is the same as SAIC which builds custom things
> for DoD. the hard drive and floppy assembly backplane are regular
> epson.
>
> will send more info as i dig deeper in an attemt to turn it on.
>
> robert
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> No, It did not work...
> Ive tried CTRL + ALT + (Every key I could)..
> Nothing.... (except Booting on DEL!!!)  :)
>
> By the way, this gridcase 1530, has the word "UpJohn" on the space
> bar..
> ?????????? What the hell is that?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford <cjford1@s...>
> wrote:
> > I believe that <Ctrl><Alt><Bkspc> will toggle that...
> >
> > --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Hi Amy, I think Ive not made I very clear...
> > I dont think the blue Boring...
> > I think its great!
> > BUT.....
> > The white background is terrible... I want to reverse
> > it back.
> > It only turns white wen it loads the Bios.
> > When I CTRl+ALT+DEL it, it becomes normal blue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Amy Collins
> > <kerameya@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi There,
> > > I am all too famialiar with that display. Given that
> > the display
> > ...
> > ..
> > .
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 814
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:17:18 -0400
From:
Subject: military grids

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

i was just looking through my pile-o-grids and dragged some in the house that i hadnt tried yet. i plugged them in and nothing happened.

these were retired 1535 military units with the keyboard protector on them and the expansion trays. well, in the process of demil'ing them the guys at DoD decided its easier to cut that to unplug. they were all relieved of there drives and anything that was in the way got cut. be careful when buying ex-mil stuff. make sure you pop the cover!

robert

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 815
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:40:14 -0400
From:
Subject: more grid parts

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

i am housecleaning and have too many grid products. cheap or free you pay shipping depending on what it is.

i have the following available, all from the plastic (acer/tandy) grid era. (2) grid convertibles like the 2260, one color, a stack of the tandy/dec grids like the 1755, a couple of the acer units like the 4025 with one expansion port, a few 1600 series and a docking station for 1600 series.

i also have lots of 1500 series parts but no extra plasma screens. i have some 1535 expansion tray parts.

speak up or ebay will forever hold its peice!

robert
 

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Yahoo! Message number: 816
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:48:45 -0400
From:
Subject: old grid software

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

being as how hard it is to find stuff on these machines and how its only going to get harder, hows about we start uploading grid related software and drivers to the files section of this group?

i dont want this to turn into a big "questioning legallity" thing. grid as we know it from the 1500 days is defunct, i think that would make any old gridware you find "abandoneware" would it not?

if this is going to turn into a big "lawyer terminology" battle then forget i mentioned it and just email me personally and i'll share what i may have. i dont beleive the new grid company has soo much time on their hands that they will go chasing after people swapping dos files from 10 years ago.

robert
dcat4955@...

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Yahoo! Message number: 817
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] old grid software

"Abandonware"

Specifically.  Soem of the compianies that wrote
drivers are still in existance.  So lets be carfull. 
But if it is GRiD 15XX specific, and it is not
supported by the Original writer anymore.  

Then screw them.  Its abandon.


--- dcat4955@... wrote:

---------------------------------

being as how hard it is to find stuff on these
machines and how its only going to get harder, hows
about we start uploading grid related software and
drivers to the files section of this group?

i dont want this to turn into a big "questioning
legallity" thing. grid as we know it from the 1500
days is defunct, i think that would make any old
gridware you find "abandoneware" would it not?

if this is going to turn into a big "lawyer
terminology" battle then forget i mentioned it and
just email me personally and i'll share what i may
have. i dont beleive the new grid company has soo much
time on their hands that they will go chasing after
people swapping dos files from 10 years ago.

robert
dcat4955@...


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instead of black. It has a VGA greyish/white display
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Yahoo! Message number: 818
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:07:18 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] old grid software

i've digging into my pile and found some stuff for the compass for example, try finding that on the web! this is what i'm referring to, grid labeled disks that are specific to a model. something that would have come with your computer anyways.

btw... any compasses for sale out there?? ;-)

robert

> 
> From: Charles Ford <cjford1@...>
> Date: 2003/07/28 Mon PM 01:01:15 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] old grid software
> 
> "Abandonware"
> 
> Specifically.  Soem of the compianies that wrote
> drivers are still in existance.  So lets be carfull. 
> But if it is GRiD 15XX specific, and it is not
> supported by the Original writer anymore.  
> 
> Then screw them.  Its abandon.
> 
> 
> --- dcat4955@... wrote:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> 
> being as how hard it is to find stuff on these
> machines and how its only going to get harder, hows
> about we start uploading grid related software and
> drivers to the files section of this group?
> 
> i dont want this to turn into a big "questioning
> legallity" thing. grid as we know it from the 1500
> days is defunct, i think that would make any old
> gridware you find "abandoneware" would it not?
> 
> if this is going to turn into a big "lawyer
> terminology" battle then forget i mentioned it and
> just email me personally and i'll share what i may
> have. i dont beleive the new grid company has soo much
> time on their hands that they will go chasing after
> people swapping dos files from 10 years ago.
> 
> robert
> dcat4955@...
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 819
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:32:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] old grid software

As far as the 1520, I've uploaded the BIOS files and
conf1520.exe to the files area.  They've been there
for a while now.
-Shawn
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> being as how hard it is to find stuff on these
> machines and how its only going to get harder, hows
> about we start uploading grid related software and
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Yahoo! Message number: 820
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:20:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] old grid software

There was a Unix service / workstation??

This would still work on today's networks.  IPX, SPX,
and TCPIP have remained largely unchanged.

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
As far as the 1520, I've uploaded the BIOS files and
conf1520.exe to the files area.  They've been there
for a while now.
-Shawn
--- dcat4955@... wrote:
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Yahoo! Message number: 821
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:06:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amy Collins
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more grid parts
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Hi Robert,
  I could use a working 1530  100MB CP3044? HD and controller card, and a working motherboard for a 1530. My 1530 had that fried BIOS behavior and I'm not sure what happened.Either the controller went or the BIOS/cmos had trouble.  So please save me a set of 1530 innards. I also need memory, but I don't have a picture. They are just the standard SiPPs 256K that plug in. The only constraint is they must be plugged in in sets of 4.   1 mb x 4 would also be nice.  Let me know what you would want for any of this 1530 stuff. Oh, a working power supply 1530/1520 model would be great too ! How about a Box O' 1530 stuff package deal ?
 
Do you know where I can get a gallon of clear RTV and a roll of Teflon ? Just kidding :) But if you ever sell the NASA GRiD I would love to make an offer. 
 
I just found a new coprocessor for my 1520 to run the Space Operations program. Perhaps now it will not overdrive the coprocessor, and will complete the orbit map. Did you ever run that SPoC program ? Let me know if you had any trouble and I'll help you get it going. 
 
Anyway please consider my interest in the "Box of 1530" parts idea.
 
*Amy


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i am housecleaning and have too many grid products. cheap or free you pay shipping depending on what it is.

i have the following available, all from the plastic (acer/tandy) grid era. (2) grid convertibles like the 2260, one color, a stack of the tandy/dec grids like the 1755, a couple of the acer units like the 4025 with one expansion port, a few 1600 series and a docking station for 1600 series.

i also have lots of 1500 series parts but no extra plasma screens. i have some 1535 expansion tray parts.

speak up or ebay will forever hold its peice!

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Yahoo! Message number: 822
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:16:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more grid parts

Robert,
I'm interested in any of the Conner drives as well.
Thanks,
-Shawn


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>   I could use a working 1530  100MB CP3044? HD and

<snip>
 
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Yahoo! Message number: 824
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:30:18 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more grid parts

i have plenty of 1530 boards, memory and drives. i dont have any 100mb, wish i did. i think they are all 40mb. all the 1530 stuff is untested because they came with shattered screens so what i can do is send you a batch of what you want. if something doesnt work i'll send you another for just the cost of the postage. i'll get back to you when i make your pile.

where'd ya get that coprocessor?? i havent had any luck finding those.

as far as spoc software.. i'm still gathering info on my space grid. it seems it may be 28vdc but i wont juice it till i'm sure. i only get one shot before the magic smoke comes out.

robert




> From: Amy Collins <kerameya@...>
> Date: 2003/08/01 Fri AM 02:06:30 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more grid parts
> 
> Hi Robert,
>   I could use a working 1530  100MB CP3044? HD and controller card, and a working motherboard for a 1530. My 1530 had that fried BIOS behavior and I'm not sure what happened.Either the controller went or the BIOS/cmos had trouble.  So please save me a set of 1530 innards. I also need memory, but I don't have a picture. They are just the standard SiPPs 256K that plug in. The only constraint is they must be plugged in in sets of 4.   1 mb x 4 would also be nice.  Let me know what you would want for any of this 1530 stuff. Oh, a working power supply 1530/1520 model would be great too ! How about a Box O' 1530 stuff package deal ?
>  
> Do you know where I can get a gallon of clear RTV and a roll of Teflon ? Just kidding :) But if you ever sell the NASA GRiD I would love to make an offer. 
>  
> I just found a new coprocessor for my 1520 to run the Space Operations program. Perhaps now it will not overdrive the coprocessor, and will complete the orbit map. Did you ever run that SPoC program ? Let me know if you had any trouble and I'll help you get it going. 
>  
> Anyway please consider my interest in the "Box of 1530" parts idea.
>  
> *Amy
> 
> 
> dcat4955@... wrote:
> i am housecleaning and have too many grid products. cheap or free you pay shipping depending on what it is.
> 
> i have the following available, all from the plastic (acer/tandy) grid era. (2) grid convertibles like the 2260, one color, a stack of the tandy/dec grids like the 1755, a couple of the acer units like the 4025 with one expansion port, a few 1600 series and a docking station for 1600 series.
> 
> i also have lots of 1500 series parts but no extra plasma screens. i have some 1535 expansion tray parts.
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 825
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 23:33:05 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more grid parts

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

i only have 40m conners.

robert

> 
> From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
> Date: 2003/08/01 Fri AM 09:16:54 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more grid parts
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> 

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 826
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:20:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: ""
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more grid parts
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 Hi Robert, I will be soon posting some pictures of the Nokia Alfaskop LT m310 made by grid. It is still in parts and I may need your help here.The 1530 motherboard I need to change as the Dallas RTC is missing. There seems to be problems with the Floppy/HD controler if you have any available ( i will post pictures of it ) and an extra internal power supply ( fits between floppy/HD and the back outlets )might be useful. Regards Mario --- On Sun 07/27, < dcat4955@... > wrote:From: [mailto: dcat4955@...]To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.comDate: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:40:14 -0400Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more grid partsi am housecleaning and have too many grid products. cheap or free you pay shipping depending on what it is.i have the following available, all from the plastic (acer/tandy) grid era. (2) grid convertibles like the 2260, one color, a stack of the tandy/dec grids like the 1755, a couple of the acer units like the 4025 with one expansion port, a fe
 w 1600 series and a docking station for 1600 series.i also have lots of 1500 series parts but no extra plasma screens. i have some 1535 expansion tray parts.speak up or ebay will forever hold its peice!robert



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Yahoo! Message number: 827
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:22:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] more grid parts

OK, I'll take a CP3044 (if you've got one).  What's
your price?
Thanks,
-Shawn
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Yahoo! Message number: 828
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:46:34 -0500
From: "Roger Anderson"
Subject: 1450sx and 1550sx
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Greetings;

I have a 1450SX Grid that has a flaky screen. The red is visible but the text wavers and is compressed so much that it is unreadable. Is this a power supply problem or does it need a new screen? Any parts available?

The 1550SX just has a bad hard drive. I would be interested in finding any size hard drive that would work. What is available?

Thanks

Roger
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Yahoo! Message number: 829
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:46:58 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1450sx and 1550sx

1450sx?
i think i have some of those for parts on ebay right now. check my auctions under user "re-tek".

1550sx i have parts on hand. may have drives. anyone know if these are like the 1530 were they only acknowledge a few different drives?

robert

> 
> From: "Roger Anderson" <arog@...>
> Date: 2003/08/09 Sat PM 02:46:34 EDT
> To: <RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1450sx and 1550sx
> 
> Greetings;
> 
> I have a 1450SX Grid that has a flaky screen. The red is visible but the text wavers and is compressed so much that it is unreadable. Is this a power supply problem or does it need a new screen? Any parts available?
> 
> The 1550SX just has a bad hard drive. I would be interested in finding any size hard drive that would work. What is available?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Roger
> arog@... 
> 

Yahoo! Message number: 830
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:57:39 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Hi there!

I would be very happy if someone could tell me some step-by-step
instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and I would like to
install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another old dead grid.
I know its IDE connector is different from the normal, so I need an 
IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
But... what else do I MUST know? 
BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software needed, etc.
Everything.
Is it possible?
And... If I would like to install another Hd (425mb) what is the 
procedure?

Thanks!

Celso

Yahoo! Message number: 831
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1450sx and 1550sx

Hey Roger,
I don't know much about the 1450.  It does sound like
a power supply problem.
I don't know all of the drives that will work with the
1550.  I believe there are at least 4.  The CP3022,
CP3044, and CP344 all should work.  
I have not read the BIOS on the 1550SX so I cannot
tell you exactly which models will work.
-Shawn

--- Roger Anderson <arog@...> wrote:
> Greetings;
> 
> I have a 1450SX Grid that has a flaky screen. The
> red is visible but the text wavers and is compressed
> so much that it is unreadable. Is this a power
> supply problem or does it need a new screen? Any
> parts available?
> 
> The 1550SX just has a bad hard drive. I would be
> interested in finding any size hard drive that would
> work. What is available?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Roger
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Yahoo! Message number: 832
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Hey there, Celso,
It's not an easy process, but it is possbile.
I don't know which model GRID you have.  So I can't
give you a step by steb process.  However, there is a
minimum equipment list no matter which model GRID you
have:

A PROM reader/programmer
hex editor
ability to remove the through hole EPROM chips
screwdriver

The process involves removal of the two (odd and
even)DIP eproms, dumping their contents to a file,
editing the file, then re-burning new EPROM chips.

Good luck,
-Shawn

--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> I would be very happy if someone could tell me some
> step-by-step
> instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
> It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and I
> would like to
> install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another old
> dead grid.
> I know its IDE connector is different from the
> normal, so I need an 
> IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
> But... what else do I MUST know? 
> BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software needed,
> etc.
> Everything.
> Is it possible?
> And... If I would like to install another Hd (425mb)
> what is the 
> procedure?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Celso
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 833
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Celso,
I clicked the "send" button and noticed that you said
you have a 1530.  The process is much easier because
someone has already done the hard part.

Here is a list of drives the 1530 will automatically
"see"
CP3022 CP3024 CP3044 CP3042 CP344 CP3104

You will need an EPROM/PROM burner and two EPROM/PROM
chips, and a hex editor.
Go to the "files" section of this list and download
1530ROM.ZIP.
There is a 'bas' file you can run that will generate
new odd and even files.
Once you have those files, then burn them into the new
PROM/EPROM chips.
Replace the chips into the computer and you should be
"good to go."
Good luck,
-Shawn
--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
> Hi there!
> 
> I would be very happy if someone could tell me some
> step-by-step
> instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
> It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and I
> would like to
> install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another old
> dead grid.
> I know its IDE connector is different from the
> normal, so I need an 
> IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
> But... what else do I MUST know? 
> BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software needed,
> etc.
> Everything.
> Is it possible?
> And... If I would like to install another Hd (425mb)
> what is the 
> procedure?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Celso
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 834
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:17:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Go to 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/

and download <1530ROM.zip> 

unzip it into a directory and run <1530ROM.exe>  This
program will question you about the parameters of your
drive and generate two bios ROM files.   It will place
them in a subdirectory that is the modelnumber of your
drive.

The bios ROM is split to even/odd ROMs "evenwork.bin
and oddwork.bin" You will need these files, a ROM
programer and a couple of blank ROMs to create new set
of ROMs for your system.  Program your ROMs and be
sure to properly label them.  e.g "1530 even CP2064"

As for the mechanical work of making the new hardware
fit...  Its all up to you.

    

When you install your new drive you simply change the
bios ROMs to supp  



--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Hi there!

I would be very happy if someone could tell me some
step-by-step
instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and I
would like to
install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another old
dead grid.
I know its IDE connector is different from the normal,
so I need an 
IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
But... what else do I MUST know? 
BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software needed,
etc.
Everything.
Is it possible?
And... If I would like to install another Hd (425mb)
what is the 
procedure?

Thanks!

Celso





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Yahoo! Message number: 835
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:43:26 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Yes, it´s a 1530.
Thanks for the directions, I will try to do it as soon as possible.
The only hard item is the Eprom Prog.

Anyway.. thanks!



--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> Celso,
> I clicked the "send" button and noticed that you said
> you have a 1530.  The process is much easier because
> someone has already done the hard part.
>
> Here is a list of drives the 1530 will automatically
> "see"
> CP3022 CP3024 CP3044 CP3042 CP344 CP3104
>
> You will need an EPROM/PROM burner and two EPROM/PROM
> chips, and a hex editor.
> Go to the "files" section of this list and download
> 1530ROM.ZIP.
> There is a 'bas' file you can run that will generate
> new odd and even files.
> Once you have those files, then burn them into the new
> PROM/EPROM chips.
> Replace the chips into the computer and you should be
> "good to go."
> Good luck,
> -Shawn
> --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
> > Hi there!
> >
> > I would be very happy if someone could tell me some
> > step-by-step
> > instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
> > It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and I
> > would like to
> > install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another old
> > dead grid.
> > I know its IDE connector is different from the
> > normal, so I need an
> > IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
> > But... what else do I MUST know?
> > BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software needed,
> > etc.
> > Everything.
> > Is it possible?
> > And... If I would like to install another Hd (425mb)
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Yahoo! Message number: 836
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:55:10 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Hi!
Thanks for your help, but....
I have new questions.

1 - Why did they make two chips ("odd" and an "even" chip), and not 
one?
2 - What kind (model/manufacturer number) of EPROM is better for the 
job (I have not opened it yet to see it)?
3 - Why this "little pretty thing" architecture is so "closed"?
    Why did they complicated it that much?

Thanks!
Celso
-------------



--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford <cjford1@s...> 
wrote:
> Go to 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/
> 
> and download <1530ROM.zip> 
> 
> unzip it into a directory and run <1530ROM.exe>  This
> program will question you about the parameters of your
> drive and generate two bios ROM files.   It will place
> them in a subdirectory that is the modelnumber of your
> drive.
> 
> The bios ROM is split to even/odd ROMs "evenwork.bin
> and oddwork.bin" You will need these files, a ROM
> programer and a couple of blank ROMs to create new set
> of ROMs for your system.  Program your ROMs and be
> sure to properly label them.  e.g "1530 even CP2064"
> 
> As for the mechanical work of making the new hardware
> fit...  Its all up to you.
> 
>     
> 
> When you install your new drive you simply change the
> bios ROMs to supp  
> 
> 
> 
> --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Hi there!
> 
> I would be very happy if someone could tell me some
> step-by-step
> instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
> It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and I
> would like to
> install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another old
> dead grid.
> I know its IDE connector is different from the normal,
> so I need an 
> IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
> But... what else do I MUST know? 
> BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software needed,
> etc.
> Everything.
> Is it possible?
> And... If I would like to install another Hd (425mb)
> what is the 
> procedure?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Celso
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 837
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:02:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Hi!
Thanks for your help, but....
I have new questions.

1 - Why did they make two chips ("odd" and an "even"
chip), and not 
one?

This is due to the addressing scheme.  (16 bit) so
when the processor looks at one ROM address it gets 16
bits Higher order is in the ODD and Loder in the EVEN 

2 - What kind (model/manufacturer number) of EPROM is
better for the 
job (I have not opened it yet to see it)?

Any two 27C128 will do this job.  (personal preferance
is AMD)

3 - Why this "little pretty thing" architecture is so
"closed"?
    Why did they complicated it that much?

Manufactur date circa 1988.  ATA Harddrive ID was out
of the question (they all used tables).  Conner was at
the time the only manufacturer that did ATA...  Also
these laptops comply to a whole list of ISO,NMEA, and
Mill standards.  The list of drives also had to comply
(especially the temperature and G-shock ranges)  This
lesson has landed rather hard for me in the form of
several 500M ish drives ruened in the hot Texas sun.

Thanks!
Celso
-------------



--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford
<cjford1@s...> 
wrote:
> Go to 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/
> 
> and download <1530ROM.zip> 
> 
> unzip it into a directory and run <1530ROM.exe> 
This
> program will question you about the parameters of
your
> drive and generate two bios ROM files.   It will
place
> them in a subdirectory that is the modelnumber of
your
> drive.
> 
> The bios ROM is split to even/odd ROMs "evenwork.bin
> and oddwork.bin" You will need these files, a ROM
> programer and a couple of blank ROMs to create new
set
> of ROMs for your system.  Program your ROMs and be
> sure to properly label them.  e.g "1530 even CP2064"
> 
> As for the mechanical work of making the new
hardware
> fit...  Its all up to you.
> 
>     
> 
> When you install your new drive you simply change
the
> bios ROMs to supp  
> 
> 
> 
> --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Hi there!
> 
> I would be very happy if someone could tell me some
> step-by-step
> instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
> It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and I
> would like to
> install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another old
> dead grid.
> I know its IDE connector is different from the
normal,
> so I need an 
> IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
> But... what else do I MUST know? 
> BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software needed,
> etc.
> Everything.
> Is it possible?
> And... If I would like to install another Hd (425mb)
> what is the 
> procedure?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Celso
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 838
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:13:13 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Hi!

Ok....
These Mill standards really explains a lot.
In fact, I was very surprised when I turned it on and
it was still running, after the post office "accident".

The Post Office agent dropped it, in front of myself, from a 10 feet 
shelf directly to the ground.
And he brought it to me "dragging" the package (a not very protective 
package just a thin cardboard) on the floor, just like small kids do.

It really sounded worst then you can imagine.

It is a nice "Die Hard".

Thanks!
Celso Miranda Filho


--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford <cjford1@s...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Hi!
> Thanks for your help, but....
> I have new questions.
> 
> 1 - Why did they make two chips ("odd" and an "even"
> chip), and not 
> one?
> 
> This is due to the addressing scheme.  (16 bit) so
> when the processor looks at one ROM address it gets 16
> bits Higher order is in the ODD and Loder in the EVEN 
> 
> 2 - What kind (model/manufacturer number) of EPROM is
> better for the 
> job (I have not opened it yet to see it)?
> 
> Any two 27C128 will do this job.  (personal preferance
> is AMD)
> 
> 3 - Why this "little pretty thing" architecture is so
> "closed"?
>     Why did they complicated it that much?
> 
> Manufactur date circa 1988.  ATA Harddrive ID was out
> of the question (they all used tables).  Conner was at
> the time the only manufacturer that did ATA...  Also
> these laptops comply to a whole list of ISO,NMEA, and
> Mill standards.  The list of drives also had to comply
> (especially the temperature and G-shock ranges)  This
> lesson has landed rather hard for me in the form of
> several 500M ish drives ruened in the hot Texas sun.
> 
> Thanks!
> Celso
> -------------
> 
> 
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford
> <cjford1@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Go to 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/
> > 
> > and download <1530ROM.zip> 
> > 
> > unzip it into a directory and run <1530ROM.exe> 
> This
> > program will question you about the parameters of
> your
> > drive and generate two bios ROM files.   It will
> place
> > them in a subdirectory that is the modelnumber of
> your
> > drive.
> > 
> > The bios ROM is split to even/odd ROMs "evenwork.bin
> > and oddwork.bin" You will need these files, a ROM
> > programer and a couple of blank ROMs to create new
> set
> > of ROMs for your system.  Program your ROMs and be
> > sure to properly label them.  e.g "1530 even CP2064"
> > 
> > As for the mechanical work of making the new
> hardware
> > fit...  Its all up to you.
> > 
> >     
> > 
> > When you install your new drive you simply change
> the
> > bios ROMs to supp  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > Hi there!
> > 
> > I would be very happy if someone could tell me some
> > step-by-step
> > instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
> > It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and I
> > would like to
> > install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another old
> > dead grid.
> > I know its IDE connector is different from the
> normal,
> > so I need an 
> > IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
> > But... what else do I MUST know? 
> > BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software needed,
> > etc.
> > Everything.
> > Is it possible?
> > And... If I would like to install another Hd (425mb)
> > what is the 
> > procedure?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Celso
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 839
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:34:06 -0500
From: "Roger Anderson"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Shawnerz;

Did you mean CP30104 instead of CP3104?

Roger
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Shawnerz
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade


  Celso,
  I clicked the "send" button and noticed that you said
  you have a 1530.  The process is much easier because
  someone has already done the hard part.

  Here is a list of drives the 1530 will automatically
  "see"
  CP3022 CP3024 CP3044 CP3042 CP344 CP3104

  You will need an EPROM/PROM burner and two EPROM/PROM
  chips, and a hex editor.
  Go to the "files" section of this list and download
  1530ROM.ZIP.
  There is a 'bas' file you can run that will generate
  new odd and even files.
  Once you have those files, then burn them into the new
  PROM/EPROM chips.
  Replace the chips into the computer and you should be
  "good to go."
  Good luck,
  -Shawn
  --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
  > Hi there!
  >
  > I would be very happy if someone could tell me some
  > step-by-step
  > instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
  > It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and I
  > would like to
  > install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another old
  > dead grid.
  > I know its IDE connector is different from the
  > normal, so I need an
  > IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
  > But... what else do I MUST know?
  > BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software needed,
  > etc.
  > Everything.
  > Is it possible?
  > And... If I would like to install another Hd (425mb)
  > what is the
  > procedure?
  >
  > Thanks!
  >
  > Celso
  >
  >
  >
  >
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Yahoo! Message number: 840
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Roger:

I can get this one...

It is a CP3104.  104MB 3 1/2 X 1 3/8 
POWER SUCKING MONSTER.

It takes a different interface (no room for the
floppy) I have a dead one.


--- Roger Anderson <arog@...> wrote:
> Shawnerz;
> 
> Did you mean CP30104 instead of CP3104?
> 
> Roger
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Shawnerz 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:16 AM
>   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD
> Upgrade
> 
> 
>   Celso,
>   I clicked the "send" button and noticed that you
> said
>   you have a 1530.  The process is much easier
> because
>   someone has already done the hard part.
> 
>   Here is a list of drives the 1530 will
> automatically
>   "see"
>   CP3022 CP3024 CP3044 CP3042 CP344 CP3104
> 
>   You will need an EPROM/PROM burner and two
> EPROM/PROM
>   chips, and a hex editor.
>   Go to the "files" section of this list and
> download
>   1530ROM.ZIP.
>   There is a 'bas' file you can run that will
> generate
>   new odd and even files.
>   Once you have those files, then burn them into the
> new
>   PROM/EPROM chips.
>   Replace the chips into the computer and you should
> be
>   "good to go."
>   Good luck,
>   -Shawn
>   --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
>   > Hi there!
>   > 
>   > I would be very happy if someone could tell me
> some
>   > step-by-step
>   > instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
>   > It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and
> I
>   > would like to
>   > install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another
> old
>   > dead grid.
>   > I know its IDE connector is different from the
>   > normal, so I need an 
>   > IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
>   > But... what else do I MUST know? 
>   > BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software
> needed,
>   > etc.
>   > Everything.
>   > Is it possible?
>   > And... If I would like to install another Hd
> (425mb)
>   > what is the 
>   > procedure?
>   > 
>   > Thanks!
>   > 
>   > Celso
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 841
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Roger,
No, I copied the drive values directly from the text
file from the 1530ROM.ZIP file.  
Perhaps the original author made an error.
-Shawn

--- Roger Anderson <arog@...> wrote:
> Shawnerz;
> 
> Did you mean CP30104 instead of CP3104?
> 
> Roger
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Shawnerz 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:16 AM
>   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD
> Upgrade
> 
> 
>   Celso,
>   I clicked the "send" button and noticed that you
> said
>   you have a 1530.  The process is much easier
> because
>   someone has already done the hard part.
> 
>   Here is a list of drives the 1530 will
> automatically
>   "see"
>   CP3022 CP3024 CP3044 CP3042 CP344 CP3104
> 
>   You will need an EPROM/PROM burner and two
> EPROM/PROM
>   chips, and a hex editor.
>   Go to the "files" section of this list and
> download
>   1530ROM.ZIP.
>   There is a 'bas' file you can run that will
> generate
>   new odd and even files.
>   Once you have those files, then burn them into the
> new
>   PROM/EPROM chips.
>   Replace the chips into the computer and you should
> be
>   "good to go."
>   Good luck,
>   -Shawn
>   --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
>   > Hi there!
>   > 
>   > I would be very happy if someone could tell me
> some
>   > step-by-step
>   > instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
>   > It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and
> I
>   > would like to
>   > install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another
> old
>   > dead grid.
>   > I know its IDE connector is different from the
>   > normal, so I need an 
>   > IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
>   > But... what else do I MUST know? 
>   > BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software
> needed,
>   > etc.
>   > Everything.
>   > Is it possible?
>   > And... If I would like to install another Hd
> (425mb)
>   > what is the 
>   > procedure?
>   > 
>   > Thanks!
>   > 
>   > Celso
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 842
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:29:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

Charles,

> 1 - Why did they make two chips ("odd" and an "even"
> chip), and not one?
> 
> This is due to the addressing scheme.  (16 bit) so
> when the processor looks at one ROM address it gets
> 16 bits Higher order is in the ODD and Loder in the

Was this for 16 addressing or 16 bit data?  I thought
it was a 16 bit data word per 8 bit address.
I am wrong here?  How wide is the data bus on the 286?
-Shawn  

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Yahoo! Message number: 843
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:43:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

>From the original author :-)

I copied the vallues directly from the bios ROM

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Roger,
No, I copied the drive values directly from the text
file from the 1530ROM.ZIP file.  
Perhaps the original author made an error.
-Shawn

--- Roger Anderson <arog@...> wrote:
> Shawnerz;
> 
> Did you mean CP30104 instead of CP3104?
> 
> Roger
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Shawnerz 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:16 AM
>   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GridCase 1530 HD
> Upgrade
> 
> 
>   Celso,
>   I clicked the "send" button and noticed that you
> said
>   you have a 1530.  The process is much easier
> because
>   someone has already done the hard part.
> 
>   Here is a list of drives the 1530 will
> automatically
>   "see"
>   CP3022 CP3024 CP3044 CP3042 CP344 CP3104
> 
>   You will need an EPROM/PROM burner and two
> EPROM/PROM
>   chips, and a hex editor.
>   Go to the "files" section of this list and
> download
>   1530ROM.ZIP.
>   There is a 'bas' file you can run that will
> generate
>   new odd and even files.
>   Once you have those files, then burn them into the
> new
>   PROM/EPROM chips.
>   Replace the chips into the computer and you should
> be
>   "good to go."
>   Good luck,
>   -Shawn
>   --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:
>   > Hi there!
>   > 
>   > I would be very happy if someone could tell me
> some
>   > step-by-step
>   > instructions to upgrade my gridcase Hd.
>   > It has only 22 mb (I guess its the CP3024), and
> I
>   > would like to
>   > install an old conner CP2064 (64mb) from another
> old
>   > dead grid.
>   > I know its IDE connector is different from the
>   > normal, so I need an 
>   > IDE adapter, from 2.5" to 3.5".
>   > But... what else do I MUST know? 
>   > BIOS, flashing bios, HD ID strings, Software
> needed,
>   > etc.
>   > Everything.
>   > Is it possible?
>   > And... If I would like to install another Hd
> (425mb)
>   > what is the 
>   > procedure?
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Yahoo! Message number: 844
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GridCase 1530 HD Upgrade

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Charles,

> 1 - Why did they make two chips ("odd" and an "even"
> chip), and not one?
> 
> This is due to the addressing scheme.  (16 bit) so
> when the processor looks at one ROM address it gets
> 16 bits Higher order is in the ODD and Loder in the

Was this for 16 addressing or 16 bit data?  I thought
it was a 16 bit data word per 8 bit address.
I am wrong here?  How wide is the data bus on the 286?
-Shawn  

That is correct (almost)  16 bit data word...  24 bit
addressing 16777216 addresses or ~32Mbytes
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Yahoo! Message number: 845
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:49:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Thanks

I just want to say thanks to the people who put files
in "Files" area of this list.
I took my 1520 to work today and it didn't boot.  I
didn't have conf1520 or a version of DOS to use to
boot the GRID.
Thanks to user wd8cyv (Dave?) who added the .ZIP that
uncompresses to GRID DOS.  Also Charlie added
15XXconf.zip. I was able to get the machine up today.
Thanks,
-Shawn
BTW, it looks like my CP3044 died.  Fortunatly, I've
got two coming in the mail..thanks to Robert.
One day, I'd like to patch the EPROM so I can get
these to boot from Compact Flash rather than a
mechanical hard drive. :-)


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Yahoo! Message number: 846
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 04:08:32 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Grid 1720 Display

Hi, anyone here can tell me how can I interface
an old grid 1720 Display and a PC?
Pinouts, controller, etc.
I guess it´s LCD CGA mono.
It´s a SHARP display (LM64 something)
I´m trying to make an Mp3 player, and If possible I would like to use
this LCD.

Thanks!
Celso.

Yahoo! Message number: 847
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:01:30 -0000
From: "kerameya"
Subject: Gridcase 1530 CMOS

Hi all,
Is there anyway to recover a Gridcase 1530 once the CMOS battery is 
dead and it gives the Invalid configuration error or time not set 
error but will not boot ? Without EPROM burners and other equipment 
which I don't have is there any way to save it ? What is the step by 
step approach to recovery ? I am completely lost on something like 
this. If it does not load DOS how can I run a setup if the setup 
program is written in DOS (a circular question). How can I tell that 
its not the drives ? I have 2 working 1520's one of which already 
needs the time set every time. Will it soon join the pile of dead 
ones ? How do you all keep these Grids running when the batteries are 
all 11-14 years old? What is the secret other than having 4 or 5 
machines and being lucky that one still boots ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

*Amy Kerameya

Yahoo! Message number: 848
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 CMOS

Amy,
I feel your pain.  My 1520's have been acting up too
and I don't have an answer for you.
I hadn't used my "reliable" 1520 for several months. 
I powered it up about 2 weeks ago and I get the
"Invalid Configuration Error 02."
I initally thought the hard drive finally died.  I was
giving me problems before so I thought it finally
died.  The 1520 does, however, boot from floppy.  I
was able to make a bootable floppy from the files in
the "Files" section of the board.  It gave me the
"Invalid Configuration Error" on boot-up, but it did
eventually boot from the floppy drive.
I removed the hard drive to find it was a CP344.  OK,
fine.  There were two other CP344's for sale so I
bought those.  My machine didn't boot with either of
those drives as well.
Something that was odd was the fact my 1520 had a
CP344 drive.  The reason that's odd is the CP344 is
not listed in the BIOS PROM as one of the supported
drives.
So I, like you, have lots of questions but no answers.
-Shawn
--- kerameya <kerameya@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Is there anyway to recover a Gridcase 1530 once the
> CMOS battery is 
> dead and it gives the Invalid configuration error or
> time not set 
> error but will not boot ? Without EPROM burners and
> other equipment 
> which I don't have is there any way to save it ?
> What is the step by 
> step approach to recovery ? I am completely lost on
> something like 
> this. If it does not load DOS how can I run a setup
> if the setup 
> program is written in DOS (a circular question). How
> can I tell that 
> its not the drives ? I have 2 working 1520's one of
> which already 
> needs the time set every time. Will it soon join the
> pile of dead 
> ones ? How do you all keep these Grids running when
> the batteries are 
> all 11-14 years old? What is the secret other than
> having 4 or 5 
> machines and being lucky that one still boots ?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> *Amy Kerameya
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Yahoo! Message number: 849
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:29:50 -0400
From:
Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 CMOS

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

this bios thing is scaring the daylights out of me sinece i dont own or have any clue on how to use one of those chip programmers.

heres what i'm going to try...
i'm going to open one of my working machines and look for a convenient place to hide a battery. i'm going to wire in the new battery in parallel with the old and then cut out the old. doing it like this will keep me from losing my bios settings as it will always be powered. 

i'll let you guys know what i used and where it fit.

robert

> 
> From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
> Date: 2003/08/21 Thu PM 06:47:38 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 CMOS
> 
> 

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 850
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 08:58:39 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Re: Gridcase 1530 CMOS

Well, my 1520 has given me the code 02 message ever since I've had it 
and it's only failed me once, but it started working again after I 
let it sit for awhile.

Hmm, I tried logging in here a few days ago, and it said I wasn't a 
member of the group. Not sure what happened, but I re-joined and it's 
working again. Wouldn't be the first time Yahoo's given me trouble...

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> this bios thing is scaring the daylights out of me sinece i dont 
own or have any clue on how to use one of those chip programmers.
> 
> heres what i'm going to try...
> i'm going to open one of my working machines and look for a 
convenient place to hide a battery. i'm going to wire in the new 
battery in parallel with the old and then cut out the old. doing it 
like this will keep me from losing my bios settings as it will always 
be powered. 
> 
> i'll let you guys know what i used and where it fit.
> 
> robert
> 
> > 
> > From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...>
> > Date: 2003/08/21 Thu PM 06:47:38 EDT
> > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 CMOS
> > 
> >

Yahoo! Message number: 851
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 05:24:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Gridcase 1530 CMOS

Beirnan,
I'm not sure why Yahoo locked you out.  The only thing
I can see is your email address has changed.  Perhaps
it was related to that.
Take care,
-Shawn
--- beirnan <xenobob@...> wrote:
> Well, my 1520 has given me the code 02 message ever
> since I've had it 
> and it's only failed me once, but it started working
> again after I 
> let it sit for awhile.
> 
> Hmm, I tried logging in here a few days ago, and it
> said I wasn't a 
> member of the group. Not sure what happened, but I
> re-joined and it's 
> working again. Wouldn't be the first time Yahoo's
> given me trouble...
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com,
> <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> > this bios thing is scaring the daylights out of me
> sinece i dont 
> own or have any clue on how to use one of those chip
> programmers.
> > 
> > heres what i'm going to try...
> > i'm going to open one of my working machines and
> look for a 
> convenient place to hide a battery. i'm going to
> wire in the new 
> battery in parallel with the old and then cut out
> the old. doing it 
> like this will keep me from losing my bios settings
> as it will always 
> be powered. 
> > 
> > i'll let you guys know what i used and where it
> fit.
> > 
> > robert
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...>
> > > Date: 2003/08/21 Thu PM 06:47:38 EDT
> > > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Gridcase 1530 CMOS
> > > 
> > >
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Yahoo! Message number: 852
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:01:27 -0000
From: "Jay Nemrow"
Subject: Gridpad 1910 pen bios routines

Hi, folks!

I need any intelligence that anyone has on the 1910 bios routines 
concerning the pen interface.  I already use penmouse, but it is slow 
and kludgy and I really want to get down to the native routines.

Thanks in advance, Jay Nemrow.

Yahoo! Message number: 853
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:17:23 -0000
From: "beirnan"
Subject: Re: Gridpad 1910 pen bios routines

Try placing 04h in register AH and generating interrupt 10h.
The output should be:
AH = 0: Not Triggered
     1: Triggered
DH = Character row number
DL = Character column number
CH or CX = Pixel raster line number
BX = Pixel column number

I have no idea whether or not this will work, but it might be worth a 
try.


--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Nemrow" <nemrow@h...> 
wrote:
> Hi, folks!
> 
> I need any intelligence that anyone has on the 1910 bios routines 
> concerning the pen interface.  I already use penmouse, but it is 
slow 
> and kludgy and I really want to get down to the native routines.
> 
> Thanks in advance, Jay Nemrow.

Yahoo! Message number: 854
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:46:38 -0000
From: "kerameya"
Subject: Integrid applications; SPOC NASA software

Hi,
I just installed the integrid program files and grid.exe on my 1520. 
The 1520 already has GRID OS 3.3 as firmware it seems. All I can 
bring up is the Grid Manager and the file load screen (Grid.exe).How 
do I bring up Gridplan, Gridwrite, Gridpaint, etc. programs that 
exist supposedly as a quasi-MSWorks type piece of software ? What is 
known about programs such as user.pro that is updated.
  Does anyone out there have these grid apps they could send me as a 
zip or download to the files area ?

 Also is there any interest in the Space Operations computer program 
written by NASA as an on-orbit tracking program ? I have a demo 
version if  anyone out there is interested. Grid.exe is included and 
is a later version modified in 1988. I have got it running short of 
updating the display. (It locks up even with a coprocessor). 

I am basically setting up a GRid as it would have been aboard a 
shuttle in the 1989-1992 era. Not as good as Robert's NASA GRiD :), 
but the closest as any civilian GRiD will get.

*Amy

Yahoo! Message number: 855
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:15:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Integrid applications; SPOC NASA software

That sounds cool, Amy!
I'd be interested in the on-orbit tracking program. 
Can you ZIP the file and add it to the Files library?
I don't have any information about the
Gridplan/Gridwrite/Gridpaint programs.  I've never
seen nor heard of them.  BTW, what does Grid.exe do?

On a separate note, I'm kinda excited because I won 2
Grid Ethernet pods on eBay.  I was sure someone from
the list was going to outbid me.
Software is included with the pods so if there is
something of interest, I'll add it to the Files area.

-Shawn
--- kerameya <kerameya@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I just installed the integrid program files and
> grid.exe on my 1520. 
> The 1520 already has GRID OS 3.3 as firmware it
> seems. All I can 
> bring up is the Grid Manager and the file load
> screen (Grid.exe).How 
> do I bring up Gridplan, Gridwrite, Gridpaint, etc.
> programs that 
> exist supposedly as a quasi-MSWorks type piece of
> software ? What is 
> known about programs such as user.pro that is
> updated.
>   Does anyone out there have these grid apps they
> could send me as a 
> zip or download to the files area ?
> 
>  Also is there any interest in the Space Operations
> computer program 
> written by NASA as an on-orbit tracking program ? I
> have a demo 
> version if  anyone out there is interested. Grid.exe
> is included and 
> is a later version modified in 1988. I have got it
> running short of 
> updating the display. (It locks up even with a
> coprocessor). 
> 
> I am basically setting up a GRid as it would have
> been aboard a 
> shuttle in the 1989-1992 era. Not as good as
> Robert's NASA GRiD :), 
> but the closest as any civilian GRiD will get.
> 
> *Amy
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Yahoo! Message number: 856
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:49:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Integrid applications; SPOC NASA software

Shawn:

Aah the ethernet pods.  It adds a sort of freedom to
the little black box.  I have a couple of them myself.


I would be interested in the provided software as I
was only able to snatch windows drivers off the net.


--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
That sounds cool, Amy!
I'd be interested in the on-orbit tracking program. 
Can you ZIP the file and add it to the Files library?
I don't have any information about the
Gridplan/Gridwrite/Gridpaint programs.  I've never
seen nor heard of them.  BTW, what does Grid.exe do?

On a separate note, I'm kinda excited because I won 2
Grid Ethernet pods on eBay.  I was sure someone from
the list was going to outbid me.
Software is included with the pods so if there is
something of interest, I'll add it to the Files area.

-Shawn
--- kerameya <kerameya@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I just installed the integrid program files and
> grid.exe on my 1520. 
> The 1520 already has GRID OS 3.3 as firmware it
> seems. All I can 
> bring up is the Grid Manager and the file load
> screen (Grid.exe).How 
> do I bring up Gridplan, Gridwrite, Gridpaint, etc.
> programs that 
> exist supposedly as a quasi-MSWorks type piece of
> software ? What is 
> known about programs such as user.pro that is
> updated.
>   Does anyone out there have these grid apps they
> could send me as a 
> zip or download to the files area ?
> 
>  Also is there any interest in the Space Operations
> computer program 
> written by NASA as an on-orbit tracking program ? I
> have a demo 
> version if  anyone out there is interested. Grid.exe
> is included and 
> is a later version modified in 1988. I have got it
> running short of 
> updating the display. (It locks up even with a
> coprocessor). 
> 
> I am basically setting up a GRid as it would have
> been aboard a 
> shuttle in the 1989-1992 era. Not as good as
> Robert's NASA GRiD :), 
> but the closest as any civilian GRiD will get.
> 
> *Amy
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Yahoo! Message number: 857
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: BIOS and IDE Disk Drive Question

All,
I'm no expert when it comes to BIOS.  Perhaps someone
on the list is.
We know the early Grid's (15XX series) had an IDE
interface to communicate to the hard drive.
We also know the early Grids only allowed specific
Connor hard drives.
I have the Grid 1520.  A dump of it's BIOS says it
will only allow a CP3022, CP344, or a CP3104.  I
cannot find the drive geometry (the Cylinders, Heads,
Sector, Landing Zone, Pre-Comp values) anywhere in the
BIOS PROM.
My question is this: because the hard drive interface
is IDE, can't the BIOS ask the hard drive for those
values?
That leads into another question: if the BIOS can ask
the drive for those values, then why did it need to
ask the drive for it's model number?

That's it for now.
-Shawn


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Yahoo! Message number: 858
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:07:21 -0000
From: "kerameya"
Subject: NASA GRiD orbital tracking program new in files area; Grid-History

Hi all,
Thanks to all who expressed interest in the NASA GRiD program. It was 
actually used on orbit on a GRiDcase 1100 series and later the 1530.
Read the readme and follow it to the letter. You must have a 
coprocessor for it to run. Grid.exe and spoc.bat must be on your root 
drive with all other programs in a file called "Programs". The readme 
and operating manual can be omitted to save space on the disk you 
load on to the GRiD. (save these or print them on your daily use 
computer--You will need them. Important: an error in the readme 
refers to emulator.shr being related to the coprocessor. Add 
emulator .shr from the Integrid download in the programs file if you 
dont have it. Add emulator.shr to the spoc programs file. Let me know 
how it runs. E-mail me if you need state-vectors from other missions.
History: 
 The first flight of the 1530 was on STS-29 in May 1989. They flew 
with 8 MB of memory and a 40MB hard drive. The GRiD 1530 was retired 
in June of 1996 with the STS-78 mission. On STS-62 in 1994 the IBM 
Thinkpad 750C was phased in marking the beginning of GRiDs demise. 
Interstingly, GRID-SPOC was ported over to the Thinkpad in 1995 and 
it was a regular part of the flight manifest until 1997. 
 NASA used Remote Technologies "Immunize" for virus protection. 
Outside of Spoc, they used the GRiDcase to enter experiment data, 
particularly materials processing experiments and instrument pointing.
Supposedly they had a word processor and spreadsheet. They got brave 
and added win-doze 3.11 to some of the flown machines circa 1994.The 
trackball was identical to the one on the RuGrid homepage. On just 
about every flight of this era a GRiD could be seen sitting on the 
dash of the main panel with a glaring orange plasma screen displaying 
an orbit map from the SPOC program. Dozens of minutes of every day 
would be spent punching state vectors into the spoc program with the  
Honeywell keyboard all of us on this site find so cool.

   I hate to bore any of you, but this was one of the key parts of 
GRiDs legacy and contribution to computing. In addition it was a key 
computer in the first Gulf War, President Reagan and Bush Sr's secret 
service, and antarctic research expeditions.  The postal service and 
police used them, too! I would love to see folks post things about 
the legacy of our GRiDs. Its a big "Why" we keep these critters alive 
and kicking ! No different than keeping a classic car and restoring 
it. Give your friends a little history and they will no longer 
chuckle at the GRiD. It stands alone. Classic.

Thanks all and happy computing,
*Amy

Yahoo! Message number: 859
Date: 12 Sep 2003 05:37:55 -0000
From: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New file uploaded to RuGRiD-Laptop

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RuGRiD-Laptop 
group.

  File        : /integrid/gstarted.zip 
  Uploaded by : bigwalk_ca <lgwalker@...> 
  Description : The second disk for Integrid 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/integrid/gstarted.zip 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

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Regards,

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Yahoo! Message number: 860
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:17:38 -0500
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Integrid applications; SPOC NASA software

 Damn ! I missed it. I have a manual "Grid Server- User's 
Guide for MS-Dos Users" which I find quite confusing.
I see I also have some files for the ethernet pod which I'm 
not sure where I got


Larry

On 11 Sep 2003, , Shawnerz wrote:

> That sounds cool, Amy!
> I'd be interested in the on-orbit tracking program. 
> Can you ZIP the file and add it to the Files library?
> I don't have any information about the
> Gridplan/Gridwrite/Gridpaint programs.  I've never
> seen nor heard of them.  BTW, what does Grid.exe do?
> 
> On a separate note, I'm kinda excited because I won 2
> Grid Ethernet pods on eBay.  I was sure someone from
> the list was going to outbid me.
> Software is included with the pods so if there is
> something of interest, I'll add it to the Files area.
> 
> -Shawn
> --- kerameya <kerameya@...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I just installed the integrid program files and
> > grid.exe on my 1520. 
> > The 1520 already has GRID OS 3.3 as firmware it
> > seems. All I can 
> > bring up is the Grid Manager and the file load
> > screen (Grid.exe).How 
> > do I bring up Gridplan, Gridwrite, Gridpaint, etc.
> > programs that 
> > exist supposedly as a quasi-MSWorks type piece of
> > software ? What is 
> > known about programs such as user.pro that is
> > updated.
> >   Does anyone out there have these grid apps they
> > could send me as a 
> > zip or download to the files area ?
> > 
> >  Also is there any interest in the Space Operations
> > computer program 
> > written by NASA as an on-orbit tracking program ? I
> > have a demo 
> > version if  anyone out there is interested. Grid.exe
> > is included and 
> > is a later version modified in 1988. I have got it
> > running short of 
> > updating the display. (It locks up even with a
> > coprocessor). 
> > 
> > I am basically setting up a GRid as it would have
> > been aboard a 
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Yahoo! Message number: 861
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:17:38 -0500
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Integrid applications; SPOC NASA software

  My apologies. I still haven't installed Integrid in my 1520 
and I thought the second Integrid disk "getting started" 
was only an application tour. On checking I found it has
the other apps you mention. I've uploaded it to the integrid 
folder. There are 2 folders on the original disk, gstarted
and programs, not to be confused with the programs file
from the first disk upload. Unfortunately at the moment
my Connor HD seems to be "hors de combat", so I can't
check the installation. I do have the manual for it if you
have any questions.

Larry . 

On 11 Sep 2003, , kerameya wrote:

> Hi,
> I just installed the integrid program files and grid.exe on
> my 1520. The 1520 already has GRID OS 3.3 as firmware it
> seems. All I can bring up is the Grid Manager and the file
> load screen (Grid.exe).How do I bring up Gridplan,
> Gridwrite, Gridpaint, etc. programs that exist supposedly as
> a quasi-MSWorks type piece of software ? What is known about
> programs such as user.pro that is updated.
>   Does anyone out there have these grid apps they could send
>   me as a 
> zip or download to the files area ?
> 
>  Also is there any interest in the Space Operations computer
>  program 
> written by NASA as an on-orbit tracking program ? I have a
> demo version if  anyone out there is interested. Grid.exe is
> included and is a later version modified in 1988. I have got
> it running short of updating the display. (It locks up even
> with a coprocessor). 
> 
> I am basically setting up a GRid as it would have been
> aboard a shuttle in the 1989-1992 era. Not as good as
> Robert's NASA GRiD :), but the closest as any civilian GRiD
> will get.
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 862
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:42:14 -0500
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] NASA GRiD orbital tracking program new in files area; Grid-History

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Yahoo! Message number: 863
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:53:52 -0000
From: "gcottrell0414"
Subject: Integrid package

Has anyone got the integrid programs from the files section to run?
If so what model, what display type and display mode were you using?

I've tried them on a 1530 with co-processor and LCD display in cga, 
ega, vga and mda mode in DOS 3.3 and DOS 5.0 all to no availl.  Also 
on a 1550 with LCD in all modes - no good.  A 1550 with plasma, still 
no good.  Next I tried it on a 1660 and nothing.

Most of the time it just locks up and I have to turn it off.  
Sometimes though it will put gibbrish on the screen in two half 
screen columns where a highlighted spot will move around but can't be 
read.

I have looked through the Grid.exe file with a hex editor and it 
mentions gridrom.exe which I don't have.  Does anyone have this file 
they could post on the files section?  Also I see something about an 
integrid rom.  Is this the rom underneath the little lid on the top 
left side of the 1530? 

Thanks for any help.

Gordon

Yahoo! Message number: 864
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:28:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Integrid package

Hey there, Gordon.
I have not tried getting Integrid to work.  However,
you might want to download Guideprom.pdf in the Files
area.  I haven't read all 44 pages of the document,
but it mentions Integrid a few times.  It deals with
making programs that can be run "dragged" from ROM,
read into RAM and executed.  I believe Integrid is a
stand alone program not needing ROM support. However
you might want to read through the document and see
for yourself.
It's about 1 MB in size so if you're on dial-up (like
me), it may take a while.
-Shawn
--- gcottrell0414 <gcottrell@...> wrote:
> Has anyone got the integrid programs from the files
> section to run?
> If so what model, what display type and display mode
> were you using?
> 
> I've tried them on a 1530 with co-processor and LCD
> display in cga, 
> ega, vga and mda mode in DOS 3.3 and DOS 5.0 all to
> no availl.  Also 
> on a 1550 with LCD in all modes - no good.  A 1550
> with plasma, still 
> no good.  Next I tried it on a 1660 and nothing.
> 
> Most of the time it just locks up and I have to turn
> it off.  
> Sometimes though it will put gibbrish on the screen
> in two half 
> screen columns where a highlighted spot will move
> around but can't be 
> read.
> 
> I have looked through the Grid.exe file with a hex
> editor and it 
> mentions gridrom.exe which I don't have.  Does
> anyone have this file 
> they could post on the files section?  Also I see
> something about an 
> integrid rom.  Is this the rom underneath the little
> lid on the top 
> left side of the 1530? 
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Gordon
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Yahoo! Message number: 865
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amy Collins
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Integrid package
text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi Gordon,
Grid.exe seems to be a generic applications "initializer" for lack of a better word. It must be in your root directory for it to work. My Spoc program in the files area has a version tailored for that program, but I have seen it boot integrid as well. There is a copy in the MS DOS 3.3 grid download, I believe as well as in one of the integrid downloads which has two parts. It is not your machine ! I have ran this on a 1520 with a coprocessor and a plasma screen. If you can't find it from any of these downloads let me know and I will send a copy. Integrid is really a nice MS-Works for DOS style appplication once you get it running ! Don't give up now you're almost there.
 
*Amy Collins

Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
Hey there, Gordon.
I have not tried getting Integrid to work.  However,
you might want to download Guideprom.pdf in the Files
area.  I haven't read all 44 pages of the document,
but it mentions Integrid a few times.  It deals with
making programs that can be run "dragged" from ROM,
read into RAM and executed.  I believe Integrid is a
stand alone program not needing ROM support. However
you might want to read through the document and see
for yourself.
It's about 1 MB in size so if you're on dial-up (like
me), it may take a while.
-Shawn
--- gcottrell0414 <gcottrell@...> wrote:
> Has anyone got the integrid programs from the files
> section to run?
> If so what model, what display type and display mode
> were you using?
> 
> I've tried them on a 1530 with co-processor and LCD
> display in cga, 
> ega, vga and mda mode in DOS 3.3 and DOS 5.0 all to
> no availl.  Also 
> on a 1550 with LCD in all modes - no good.  A 1550
> with plasma, still 
> no good.  Next I tried it on a 1660 and nothing.
> 
> Most of the time it just locks up and I have to turn
> it off.  
> Sometimes though it will put gibbrish on the screen
> in two half 
> screen columns where a highlighted spot will move
> around but can't be 
> read.
> 
> I have looked through the Grid.exe file with a hex
> editor and it 
> mentions gridrom.exe which I don't have.  Does
> anyone have this file 
> they could post on the files section?  Also I see
> something about an 
> integrid rom.  Is this the rom underneath the little
> lid on the top 
> left side of the 1530? 
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Gordon
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 866
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:20:47 -0400
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Integrid package

Good message!

Amy Collins wrote:

Yahoo! Message number: 867
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:39:46 -0000
From: "gcottrell0414"
Subject: Re: Integrid package

Thanks for the reply Amy & Shawn,

I have grid.exe in the root, I tried two different versions, one that 
came with the whole package and one that came with spoc.  I have all 
the other files from the programs, spoc, and gstarted packages in the 
programs directory.  I have also tried the 3.3 boot disk with the 
files copied onto it, but maybe it has to be on C: to run. 

Is the plasma screen on the 1520 CGA, EGA or VGA?

Thanks for any help.

Gordon.




--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Amy Collins <kerameya@y...> 
wrote:
> Hi Gordon,
> Grid.exe seems to be a generic applications "initializer" for lack 
of a better word. It must be in your root directory for it to work. 
My Spoc program in the files area has a version tailored for that 
program, but I have seen it boot integrid as well. There is a copy in 
the MS DOS 3.3 grid download, I believe as well as in one of the 
integrid downloads which has two parts. It is not your machine ! I 
have ran this on a 1520 with a coprocessor and a plasma screen. If 
you can't find it from any of these downloads let me know and I will 
send a copy. Integrid is really a nice MS-Works for DOS style 
appplication once you get it running ! Don't give up now you're 
almost there.
>  
> *Amy Collins
> 
> Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> Hey there, Gordon.
> I have not tried getting Integrid to work.  However,
> you might want to download Guideprom.pdf in the Files
> area.  I haven't read all 44 pages of the document,
> but it mentions Integrid a few times.  It deals with
> making programs that can be run "dragged" from ROM,
> read into RAM and executed.  I believe Integrid is a
> stand alone program not needing ROM support. However
> you might want to read through the document and see
> for yourself.
> It's about 1 MB in size so if you're on dial-up (like
> me), it may take a while.
> -Shawn
> --- gcottrell0414 <gcottrell@o...> wrote:
> > Has anyone got the integrid programs from the files
> > section to run?
> > If so what model, what display type and display mode
> > were you using?
> > 
> > I've tried them on a 1530 with co-processor and LCD
> > display in cga, 
> > ega, vga and mda mode in DOS 3.3 and DOS 5.0 all to
> > no availl.  Also 
> > on a 1550 with LCD in all modes - no good.  A 1550
> > with plasma, still 
> > no good.  Next I tried it on a 1660 and nothing.
> > 
> > Most of the time it just locks up and I have to turn
> > it off.  
> > Sometimes though it will put gibbrish on the screen
> > in two half 
> > screen columns where a highlighted spot will move
> > around but can't be 
> > read.
> > 
> > I have looked through the Grid.exe file with a hex
> > editor and it 
> > mentions gridrom.exe which I don't have.  Does
> > anyone have this file 
> > they could post on the files section?  Also I see
> > something about an 
> > integrid rom.  Is this the rom underneath the little
> > lid on the top 
> > left side of the 1530? 
> > 
> > Thanks for any help.
> > 
> > Gordon
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 868
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 04:45:38 -0500
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Integrid package

 This is getting embarassing ! When I uploaded the 
Integrid installation disk I was unaware that the "Getting
Started disk was part of the whole setup, I thought it was 
only a useless guided tour telling you how to format files, 
use a mouse, etc.  I rectified that when I uploaded the
"getting started" disk files, simply zipping them rather than 
using a disk image program. Since my lousy Connor drive
is dead I haven't been able to check an installation on my 
1520 and tho I suspect it will also work with any Dos 2.0
and up box, all mine are buried at the moment and I have 
been inundated with a bunch of other duties that leave me
no free time. Which is why I haven't joined in the 
discussion on the Integrid. What I would suggest is that 
you unzip the Integrid files onto floppy and then unzip
the "getting started" file onto another one and then 
proceed with trying the installation. There is a "progam" 
file on the Integrid disk and another one also labelled 
""program" on the "Getting Started" disk. Both are needed
they are not duplicates.
 If someone has a spare working Conner that works with
a 1520 or a rom burnt with the reference code and the
HD for it, I would be willing to pay for it and shipping.
Even better would be a 1530 at current going prices.
 I do have the manuals, but scanning them would be a 
major undertaking, at a time when I'm even getting flaq
from friends and my kids for not replying to emails due
to no time. I do get the list by email but don't check it too 
often at the moment. When the present craziness ends
I'll be able to devote more time to answering questions.

Lawrence 


On 25 Sep 2003, , gcottrell0414 wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Amy & Shawn,
> 
> I have grid.exe in the root, I tried two different versions,
> one that came with the whole package and one that came with
> spoc.  I have all the other files from the programs, spoc,
> and gstarted packages in the programs directory.  I have
> also tried the 3.3 boot disk with the files copied onto it,
> but maybe it has to be on C: to run. 
> 
> Is the plasma screen on the 1520 CGA, EGA or VGA?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Gordon.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Amy Collins
> <kerameya@y...> wrote: > Hi Gordon, > Grid.exe seems to be a
> generic applications "initializer" for lack of a better
> word. It must be in your root directory for it to work. My
> Spoc program in the files area has a version tailored for
> that program, but I have seen it boot integrid as well.
> There is a copy in the MS DOS 3.3 grid download, I believe
> as well as in one of the integrid downloads which has two
> parts. It is not your machine ! I have ran this on a 1520
> with a coprocessor and a plasma screen. If you can't find it
> from any of these downloads let me know and I will send a
> copy. Integrid is really a nice MS-Works for DOS style
> appplication once you get it running ! Don't give up now
> you're almost there. >  > *Amy Collins > > Shawnerz
> <shawnerz@y...> wrote: > Hey there, Gordon. > I have not
> tried getting Integrid to work.  However, > you might want
> to download Guideprom.pdf in the Files > area.  I haven't
> read all 44 pages of the document, > but it mentions
> Integrid a few times.  It deals with > making programs that
> can be run "dragged" from ROM, > read into RAM and executed.
>  I believe Integrid is a > stand alone program not needing
> ROM support. However > you might want to read through the
> document and see > for yourself. > It's about 1 MB in size
> so if you're on dial-up (like > me), it may take a while. >
> -Shawn > --- gcottrell0414 <gcottrell@o...> wrote: > > Has
> anyone got the integrid programs from the files > > section
> to run? > > If so what model, what display type and display
> mode > > were you using? > > > > I've tried them on a 1530
> with co-processor and LCD > > display in cga, > > ega, vga
> and mda mode in DOS 3.3 and DOS 5.0 all to > > no availl. 
> Also > > on a 1550 with LCD in all modes - no good.  A 1550
> > > with plasma, still > > no good.  Next I tried it on a
> 1660 and nothing. > > > > Most of the time it just locks up
> and I have to turn > > it off.  > > Sometimes though it will
> put gibbrish on the screen > > in two half > > screen
> columns where a highlighted spot will move > > around but
> can't be > > read. > > > > I have looked through the
> Grid.exe file with a hex > > editor and it > > mentions
> gridrom.exe which I don't have.  Does > > anyone have this
> file > > they could post on the files section?  Also I see >
> > something about an > > integrid rom.  Is this the rom
> underneath the little > > lid on the top > > left side of
> the 1530? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Gordon > > >
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Yahoo! Message number: 869
Date: 6 Oct 2003 17:34:42 -0000
From: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New file uploaded to RuGRiD-Laptop

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RuGRiD-Laptop 
group.

  File        : /15XX_LAN.zip 
  Uploaded by : Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> 
  Description : Network Drivers for 15XX GRiD LAN Adapter 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/15XX_LAN.zip 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
 

Yahoo! Message number: 870
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:39:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: New Files

All,
The files notification pretty much says it all.
I FINALLY received my GRID Ethernet cartridges today. 
I ZIPed the drivers disk and uploaded the files.
I hope they help everyone.
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 871
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:35:47 -0500
From: Shannon Johnson
Subject: 2 of my Grids are on eBay

Hello All,

I haven't posted in a while, but I've been lurking since before the group switched addresses.

Well, I've got replacements for my Grids, Apple eMates (Grids are neat and useful, but I'm an Apple guy at th end of the day). So I'm looking to find these two 1550sx machines a new home. One works fine, I've got it loaded with software. I'm making a correction to the listing, the working 1550sx has a 120mb hard drive (its the 1520 I'm keeping for now that has 40MB). I won't stand by the size on the parts 1550sx, I haven't cracked the case in a while.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=177&item=3434019512

Why am I selling them? Well, they have the special three wire power cable design and I don't have the cig-adapter or the jumper. And I don't want to spend the money to get the battery rebuilt. So, instead of them gathering dust on my shelf, I'll offer them to some on for a new home.

Regarding the 1520, I've used it to keep track of soil test results,and play spideman, alleycat. It's a great little machine (with the red plasma screen), I've got to fix an CMOS issue (I'll search throug the archive) and it will be back in service. Though if the eMates work as well as I hope this one will be looking for a new home too, even though it's so cool. I was able to use Radio Shack to build a new cig-adaper and jumper for it, though

I was going to post this to the list earlier, but it slipped my mind.

Excelsior!
Shannon Johnson

Yahoo! Message number: 872
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 00:10:51 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: BIOS and IDE Disk Drive Question

Hi!
about this....

> My question is this: because the hard drive interface
> is IDE, can't the BIOS ask the hard drive for those
> values?
> That leads into another question: if the BIOS can ask
> the drive for those values, then why did it need to
> ask the drive for it's model number?


Charles Ford once wrote me (here) that:

    "Manufactur date circa 1988. ATA Harddrive ID was out
     of the question (they all used tables). Conner was at
     the time the only manufacturer that did ATA... "

Don´t know id it helpos... but that is just it.

Yahoo! Message number: 873
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:45:55 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Gridcase 1530 Battery Pack

Hi!

Well, I´ve just disassembled my 1530 battery pack
(It´s dead, of course), and I found 2 nine-series-battery packs,
connected in parallel. So, basic math means total 10.8 volt.
And... Some Amps x 2.(I don´t remember how many Amps.)

Well, my problem, is...  is that right? Why not 12 volt?

By the way... My 1530 is not recharging very well, do you have
any Simple schematics for nicd? (For this battery)?

Thanks!


PS: The original battery pack had a very stinking acid leakage.
    It really stinks, stinks and stinks! Oh, GOD!
    I had to put them in a plastic bag and seal them.
    Maybe is some NASA´s space acid. :)

Yahoo! Message number: 874
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:46:02 -0000
From: "Jay Nemrow"
Subject: Gridpad 1910 for sale

This is a nice, clean, working Gridpad 1910 with an AC power supply 
and a NEW battery (that actually holds a charge).  I will throw in a 
pinout of the keyboard port (hard to find data) and a opened battery 
case that you can put new cells in if you are enterprising.

The Grindpad already has a proper terminal program installed with 
some other freeware programs, so transfering files back and forth is 
much easier than usual.

I would like to sell this thing for $40 OBO including the shipping.  
I has the pen and works just fine.  This is just the basic, 
unexpanded unit with a serial port and modem.

Email me back at jnemrow@... if you are interested and can pay 
through paypal.

Yahoo! Message number: 875
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 04:38:01 -0000
From: "Jay Nemrow"
Subject: Grid 1450sx for sale

As you can see, I am letting go of a few of my older computers!  I 
have some newer equipment and my wife wanted me to defray the cost of 
it by getting rid of things I hardly use anymore.

This is a Grid 1450sx, a pretty basic model.  It doesn't include the 
battery pack, which clamped onto the bottom, but has the AC power 
supply and worked fine the last time I fired it up about 6 months 
ago.  It is packed in an original Grid padded satchel and includes a 
spare CPU chip pulled from a working system.

This has a partly metal case and is therefore pretty heavy.  I am 
selling this for $40 OBO as the shipping will be costly.  I only 
accept Paypal as payment.

Please email me at jnemrow@... if you are interested and making 
an offer.

Jay Nemrow

Yahoo! Message number: 876
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:13:39 -0000
From: "dodgeflathead"
Subject: trade? and questions

Hey all,

Got a bunch of unmounted semiconductors sitting around here. Brand
names like Analog Devices, Fairchild, etc. Is anyone interested in
these for a possible trade?

Also, my backspace key is broken on my 1520. Does anyone have a spare
one? Just opened it up one day, and found it was broken :(

Dane

Yahoo! Message number: 877
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:43:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] trade? and questions

Is the topper broaken or is the button dead?

U have som bad keyboards with good toppers.


--- dodgeflathead <commercialtruckguy@...>
wrote:

---------------------------------
Hey all,

Got a bunch of unmounted semiconductors sitting around
here. Brand
names like Analog Devices, Fairchild, etc. Is anyone
interested in
these for a possible trade?

Also, my backspace key is broken on my 1520. Does
anyone have a spare
one? Just opened it up one day, and found it was
broken :(

Dane


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Yahoo! Message number: 878
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:55:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: BIOS and IDE Disk Drive Question

IDE / ATA
I would dearly love to have a bios patch that does
this.   

Locate the DCT "Device Control Table" in ram just
before booting.  jump to a routiene that queries the
drive and stuffs the data in the table.

Then Any drive will automatically set up and boot
INCLUDING the ever desirable compact flash cards.
 

Batteries. 

I supose I could set down a diagram but it is as
simple as a flashlight.  except  The power supply pod
brings power in to a different terminal then the
battery.   9 cells in series (I used 1600 mAH NiCds
because I had a bunch of them already)  I think the
original pack is 2400 mAH capacity  




--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Hi!
about this....

> My question is this: because the hard drive
interface
> is IDE, can't the BIOS ask the hard drive for those
> values?
> That leads into another question: if the BIOS can
ask
> the drive for those values, then why did it need to
> ask the drive for it's model number?


Charles Ford once wrote me (here) that:

    "Manufactur date circa 1988. ATA Harddrive ID was
out
     of the question (they all used tables). Conner
was at
     the time the only manufacturer that did ATA... "

Dont know id it helpos... but that is just it.


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Yahoo! Message number: 879
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:55:12 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: BIOS and IDE Disk Drive Question

ok..
I will use just a DC power supply (16v) and a resistor (100 or 68
ohm / 5 watt).
It´s not Very regulated (Not at all), but it does the job.

But, how long does your 1600mA batteries works, when full charged?
Is it really 10.8 volt, or it uses that NiCd with more than 1.2V each?


thanks!


> Batteries.
>
> I supose I could set down a diagram but it is as
> simple as a flashlight.  except  The power supply pod
> brings power in to a different terminal then the
> battery.   9 cells in series (I used 1600 mAH NiCds
> because I had a bunch of them already)  I think the
> original pack is 2400 mAH capacity

Yahoo! Message number: 880
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:25:59 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Dane Bruce
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] trade? and questions

Hello Charles,

The topper is broken. I can use the key still, so that isn't a problem. The plastic part just broke for some reason.

Dane

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Yahoo! Message number: 881
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:32:06 -0000
From: "Jay Nemrow"
Subject: selling a GRiDPad 1910 and a GRiDCase 1450sx!

My wife told me I have to make space, so I am selling my GRiDs.  They 
were absolutely wonderful, but I have to let go of them.

Look <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=3442489952">here on Ebay</a> for the GRiDPad 1910.

Look <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=3442497416">here on Ebay</a> for the GRiDCase 1450sx.

Hope you get them!!

Jay Nemrow.

Yahoo! Message number: 882
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:36:26 -0800
From: "Lawrence Walker"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: BIOS and IDE Disk Drive Question

 Does anyone have a list of the Grid external floppy model #s.

 I have 2 external 5 1/4 drives. One of them, the 3402, works with an
external power supply (i'm using an old Toshiba 12 v) and reads 5 1/4
disks finely on my 1520. The other is a 2202 much larger, which I 
thought was a SCSI since it has a secondary socket and and wide 
connector which turns out to be simply the Grid proprietary 5 1/4 
socket and like a Commodore or Atari 8-bit allows chaining disk 
drives.

 It is obviously for an earlier model Grid. Any ideas which one ? It 
is built like all the rugged models with a metal case.

Charles ? Shawn ?

Lawrence Walker

Yahoo! Message number: 883
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:46:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: BIOS and IDE Disk Drive Question

Sorry, I don't have any 5 1/4 drives.  All of mine are
internal, 3.5's.
Good luck,
-Shawn
--- Lawrence Walker <lgwalker@...> wrote:
>  Does anyone have a list of the Grid external floppy
> model #s.
> 
>  I have 2 external 5 1/4 drives. One of them, the
> 3402, works with an
> external power supply (i'm using an old Toshiba 12
> v) and reads 5 1/4
> disks finely on my 1520. The other is a 2202 much
> larger, which I 
> thought was a SCSI since it has a secondary socket
> and and wide 
> connector which turns out to be simply the Grid
> proprietary 5 1/4 
> socket and like a Commodore or Atari 8-bit allows
> chaining disk 
> drives.
> 
>  It is obviously for an earlier model Grid. Any
> ideas which one ? It 
> is built like all the rugged models with a metal
> case.
> 
> Charles ? Shawn ?
> 
> Lawrence Walker
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Yahoo! Message number: 884
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:34:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: My 'Pending' Membership

I'll fix that.  Sorry for the delay.
If there are others that as in the same fate as Len,
let me know and I'll fix it.
-Shawn

--- Len Monczka <lmonczka@...> wrote:
> Shawn
> 
> I just checked and I am still considered a 'Pending
> Member' with no access
> to 'Members Only' information.
> 
> Len
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
> To: Len Monczka <lmonczka@...>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: My 'Pending' Membership
> 
> 
> > Len,
> > This post came through the reflector so I think
> you've
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> > -Shawn
> >
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> > > Several weeks ago I applied for membership and
> am
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> > > 'Pending Member'.
> > >
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> > > anxious to take advantage of
> > > the information available to members of this
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Yahoo! Message number: 885
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 06:52:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: My 'Pending' Membership

Never saw the request message,  did you?

Maybe this new spamguard "filtered" it out.



--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
I'll fix that.  Sorry for the delay.
If there are others that as in the same fate as Len,
let me know and I'll fix it.
-Shawn

--- Len Monczka <lmonczka@...> wrote:
> Shawn
> 
> I just checked and I am still considered a 'Pending
> Member' with no access
> to 'Members Only' information.
> 
> Len
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
> To: Len Monczka <lmonczka@...>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: My 'Pending' Membership
> 
> 
> > Len,
> > This post came through the reflector so I think
> you've
> > been added.
> > -Shawn
> >
> > --- Len Monczka <lmonczka@...> wrote:
> > > Several weeks ago I applied for membership and
> am
> > > still considered a
> > > 'Pending Member'.
> > >
> > > Is there a problem with my application?  I am
> > > anxious to take advantage of
> > > the information available to members of this
> group.
> > >
> > > Len Monczka
> > > (monska2000)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 886
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:18:25 -0500
From: "Len Monczka"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: My 'Pending' Membership
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Charles

I just checked and I am now a 'Group Member'.

Thanks
Len Monczka
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charles Ford
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: My 'Pending' Membership


  Never saw the request message,  did you?

  Maybe this new spamguard "filtered" it out.



  --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

  ---------------------------------
  I'll fix that.  Sorry for the delay.
  If there are others that as in the same fate as Len,
  let me know and I'll fix it.
  -Shawn

  --- Len Monczka <lmonczka@...> wrote:
  > Shawn
  >
  > I just checked and I am still considered a 'Pending
  > Member' with no access
  > to 'Members Only' information.
  >
  > Len
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
  > To: Len Monczka <lmonczka@...>
  > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:27 PM
  > Subject: Re: My 'Pending' Membership
  >
  >
  > > Len,
  > > This post came through the reflector so I think
  > you've
  > > been added.
  > > -Shawn
  > >
  > > --- Len Monczka <lmonczka@...> wrote:
  > > > Several weeks ago I applied for membership and
  > am
  > > > still considered a
  > > > 'Pending Member'.
  > > >
  > > > Is there a problem with my application?  I am
  > > > anxious to take advantage of
  > > > the information available to members of this
  > group.
  > > >
  > > > Len Monczka
  > > > (monska2000)
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > >
  > >
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Yahoo! Message number: 887
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:33:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: My 'Pending' Membership

Actually thanks to Shawn...  He got there first. :-)

--- Len Monczka <lmonczka@...> wrote:
> Charles
> 
> I just checked and I am now a 'Group Member'.
> 
> Thanks
> Len Monczka
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Charles Ford 
>   To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:52 AM
>   Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: My 'Pending'
> Membership
> 
> 
>   Never saw the request message,  did you?
> 
>   Maybe this new spamguard "filtered" it out.
> 
> 
> 
>   --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> 
>   ---------------------------------
>   I'll fix that.  Sorry for the delay.
>   If there are others that as in the same fate as
> Len,
>   let me know and I'll fix it.
>   -Shawn
> 
>   --- Len Monczka <lmonczka@...> wrote:
>   > Shawn
>   > 
>   > I just checked and I am still considered a
> 'Pending
>   > Member' with no access
>   > to 'Members Only' information.
>   > 
>   > Len
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Shawnerz <shawnerz@...>
>   > To: Len Monczka <lmonczka@...>
>   > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 6:27 PM
>   > Subject: Re: My 'Pending' Membership
>   > 
>   > 
>   > > Len,
>   > > This post came through the reflector so I
> think
>   > you've
>   > > been added.
>   > > -Shawn
>   > >
>   > > --- Len Monczka <lmonczka@...> wrote:
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> and
>   > am
>   > > > still considered a
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> am
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>   > > > (monska2000)
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Yahoo! Message number: 888
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:09:04 -0000
From: "monska2000"
Subject: 1520 Disk Boot Error

The following appears shortly after turning the power on. Can somone 
help me with this problem? I have no reference material or software.

: 
: Phoenix 80286 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 3/11/89
: Copyright (c) 1985,1986 Phoenix Technologies Ltd
: All Rights Reserved

: 640K Base Memory, 00384K EMS Memory
: Invalid configuration information; code 02
: Strike the F1 key to continue
: Disk Boot Error
: Disk Boot Error

Yahoo! Message number: 889
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:05:40 +0300
From: "Bruce"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Disk Boot Error
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Is the connector for the floppy on tight? Check to see if the connection
for the floppy drive is connected. Only other thing I can think of is
the floppy drive is dead. Ask some of the other group members if this
might mean a dead floppy drive.
 
Dane 

Yahoo! Message number: 890
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:15:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Disk Boot Error

If you are trying to boot from the floppy you must
press the "F" key immediatly folliwing the POST tone. 
Otherwise it will continue to attempt to boot from the
harddrive.  This procedure is necessarry only if the
harddrive is recognised. 

Also

Conf code #02 means that there is a problem comparing
the harddrive to the cmos table. When you strike F1
the cmos table may be updated but the Bootloader DCT
is not. Press <Ctrl>,<Alt>, and<Del> and see if the
system comes on normally.  IF at that time you receive
the error "Time of day clock not set" you probably
have a dead CMOS battery. 
 
--- monska2000 <lmonczka@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
The following appears shortly after turning the power
on. Can somone 
help me with this problem? I have no reference
material or software.

: 
: Phoenix 80286 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 3/11/89
: Copyright (c) 1985,1986 Phoenix Technologies Ltd
: All Rights Reserved

: 640K Base Memory, 00384K EMS Memory
: Invalid configuration information; code 02
: Strike the F1 key to continue
: Disk Boot Error
: Disk Boot Error








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Yahoo! Message number: 891
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:32:10 -0500
From: "Len Monczka"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Disk Boot Error
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Dane

Thanks for your suggestion.

Len
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  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:05 PM
  Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Disk Boot Error


  Is the connector for the floppy on tight? Check to see if the connection for the floppy drive is connected. Only other thing I can think of is the floppy drive is dead. Ask some of the other group members if this might mean a dead floppy drive.



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Yahoo! Message number: 892
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:43:32 -0500
From: "Len Monczka"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Disk Boot Error
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Thanks for your suggestions.
I am not trying to boot from the floppy.  When I press <Ctrl>, <Alt> and <Del> the message "Invalid configuration information; code 02" etc. repeats.  I do not get "Time of day clock not set".

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charles Ford
  To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Disk Boot Error


  If you are trying to boot from the floppy you must
  press the "F" key immediatly folliwing the POST tone.
  Otherwise it will continue to attempt to boot from the
  harddrive.  This procedure is necessarry only if the
  harddrive is recognised.

  Also

  Conf code #02 means that there is a problem comparing
  the harddrive to the cmos table. When you strike F1
  the cmos table may be updated but the Bootloader DCT
  is not. Press <Ctrl>,<Alt>, and<Del> and see if the
  system comes on normally.  IF at that time you receive
  the error "Time of day clock not set" you probably
  have a dead CMOS battery.

  --- monska2000 <lmonczka@...> wrote:

  ---------------------------------
  The following appears shortly after turning the power
  on. Can somone
  help me with this problem? I have no reference
  material or software.

  :
  : Phoenix 80286 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 3/11/89
  : Copyright (c) 1985,1986 Phoenix Technologies Ltd
  : All Rights Reserved

  : 640K Base Memory, 00384K EMS Memory
  : Invalid configuration information; code 02
  : Strike the F1 key to continue
  : Disk Boot Error
  : Disk Boot Error








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Yahoo! Message number: 893
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:38:47 -0000
From: "gevoudane"
Subject: looking to buy

Hi everyone.  I am looking for a plasma screen grid.  If anyone has 
one for sale I woud appreciate any info.  Thanks.

Yahoo! Message number: 894
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:35:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] looking to buy

Gevoudane,
Which model are you looking for? 1520? 1530? 1550?
Gridcase?  There are several to choose from.
-Shawn

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>  If anyone has 
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Yahoo! Message number: 895
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:46:16 -0000
From: "jugurnaut9"
Subject: Hard Drive

I have had this Grid Case 1520 for about three Years and
I have never used it.
Three days ago I brought it out of cold storage.
To no surprise the Cmos battery was dead.
I replaced the battery and set the clock.
Now I get a Disk Boot error.
Ran gridscan.exe but no hard drive detected.
I remove the hard drive to run some tests on it, and it is
Dead. A lot of bad sectors.
I replace the drive with a NEC 100 MB.
I don't have any 40 MB Conners hanging around.
I do have a 320MB Conner will it work??
In my search I found no setup disc for this model.

My first question is, does this 1520 have to have a Conner Hard drive
Or can another hard drive brand work?

Question two is a setup disc required to configure the bios
& what is The MB limit in the bios?

Any help would be appreciated

Steve…

Yahoo! Message number: 896
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:51:30 -0000
From: "gevoudane"
Subject: Re: looking to buy

Any of the plasma screen models would be cool.   Preferable one that 
can run win 3.11 and or a linux or BSD.  Right now I have a Tandy 
1800HD so as long as its close to that one it should work.

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> Gevoudane,
> Which model are you looking for? 1520? 1530? 1550?
> Gridcase?  There are several to choose from.
> -Shawn
> 
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> > Hi everyone.  I am looking for a plasma screen grid.
> >  If anyone has 
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Yahoo! Message number: 897
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 07:07:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Hard Drive

Steve,
Sorry guy, but there are only 3 hard drives that will
work with the 1520: the CP344, CP3104 and one other
that I can't remember.  They are 20 MB, a 40 MB and I
think a 100 MB.  I'm doing this from memory and the
details are fuzzy.
The reason only 3 disk drives work is because the
model number are hard coded in the BIOS eprom.  On
boot, the BIOS reads the model number from the drive
and compares it to the 3 listed in BIOS.  No match: no
boot.
I've found the address in the EPROM where this
occours, however, the drive geometry (a.k.a. Cylinder,
Head, Sector (CHS))is also stored in the EPROM.  I
have not been able to find those values.  This piece
of information is what's keeping my from trying out a
new BIOS.
Yes, there is a setup disk for the 1502.  It's in the
files area and it's conf1520.exe.  However, there is
no way to change the hard drive information.
I hope that helps.
-Shawn 
--- jugurnaut9 <sphear41@...> wrote:
> I have had this Grid Case 1520 for about three Years
> and
> I have never used it.
> Three days ago I brought it out of cold storage.
> To no surprise the Cmos battery was dead.
> I replaced the battery and set the clock.
> Now I get a Disk Boot error.
> Ran gridscan.exe but no hard drive detected. 
> I remove the hard drive to run some tests on it, and
> it is 
> Dead. A lot of bad sectors.
> I replace the drive with a NEC 100 MB.
> I don't have any 40 MB Conners hanging around.
> I do have a 320MB Conner will it work??
> In my search I found no setup disc for this model.
> 
> My first question is, does this 1520 have to have a
> Conner Hard drive
> Or can another hard drive brand work?
> 
> Question two is a setup disc required to configure
> the bios
> & what is The MB limit in the bios?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated
> 
> Steve

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Yahoo! Message number: 898
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:32:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Hard Drive

Steve:

There is a possible solution.  Several years ago I
wrote a program that edits an entery in the drive
table so you could place any drive on a 1530 if you
are willing to burn new ROMs for it. 

Unfortunately nobody has checked this out with the
1520

There are several 1520 users that would probably like
to be able to use larger drives (up to 504MB) IF yo
are willing to check this out the program and fully
commented code can be downloaded here

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/1530ROM.zip


The 1520 ROM contents can be found here as well

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> Steve,
> Sorry guy, but there are only 3 hard drives that
> will
> work with the 1520: the CP344, CP3104 and one other
> that I can't remember.  They are 20 MB, a 40 MB and
> I
> think a 100 MB.  I'm doing this from memory and the
> details are fuzzy.
> The reason only 3 disk drives work is because the
> model number are hard coded in the BIOS eprom.  On
> boot, the BIOS reads the model number from the drive
> and compares it to the 3 listed in BIOS.  No match:
> no
> boot.
> I've found the address in the EPROM where this
> occours, however, the drive geometry (a.k.a.
> Cylinder,
> Head, Sector (CHS))is also stored in the EPROM.  I
> have not been able to find those values.  This piece
> of information is what's keeping my from trying out
> a
> new BIOS.
> Yes, there is a setup disk for the 1502.  It's in
> the
> files area and it's conf1520.exe.  However, there is
> no way to change the hard drive information.
> I hope that helps.
> -Shawn 
> --- jugurnaut9 <sphear41@...> wrote:
> > I have had this Grid Case 1520 for about three
> Years
> > and
> > I have never used it.
> > Three days ago I brought it out of cold storage.
> > To no surprise the Cmos battery was dead.
> > I replaced the battery and set the clock.
> > Now I get a Disk Boot error.
> > Ran gridscan.exe but no hard drive detected. 
> > I remove the hard drive to run some tests on it,
> and
> > it is 
> > Dead. A lot of bad sectors.
> > I replace the drive with a NEC 100 MB.
> > I don't have any 40 MB Conners hanging around.
> > I do have a 320MB Conner will it work??
> > In my search I found no setup disc for this model.
> > 
> > My first question is, does this 1520 have to have
> a
> > Conner Hard drive
> > Or can another hard drive brand work?
> > 
> > Question two is a setup disc required to configure
> > the bios
> > & what is The MB limit in the bios?
> > 
> > Any help would be appreciated
> > 
> > Steve
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Yahoo! Message number: 899
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:33:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: looking to buy

1530 with a cga plasma can run win311 (special driver)
or a 1550sx plasma is VGA.

--- gevoudane <astrix@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Any of the plasma screen models would be cool.  
Preferable one that 
can run win 3.11 and or a linux or BSD.  Right now I
have a Tandy 
1800HD so as long as its close to that one it should
work.

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz
<shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> Gevoudane,
> Which model are you looking for? 1520? 1530? 1550?
> Gridcase?  There are several to choose from.
> -Shawn
> 
> --- gevoudane <astrix@e...> wrote:
> > Hi everyone.  I am looking for a plasma screen
grid.
> >  If anyone has 
> > one for sale I woud appreciate any info.  Thanks.
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Yahoo! Message number: 900
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:35:12 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: GRIDCASE 1520

Hi!

I´ve got a gridcase 1520 (286-red plasma display -Beautifull!!).
It´s hd is dead, but it was booting ok. It came with an external DC
adpter. I connected my 12 Vdc Supply, but it´s not working.
When i connect the Dc supply that came with it, it works sometimes.

But when I measured the Voltage it´s about 24 volts!!!!
I guess the previous owner, didn´t know very well what
he was doing and probably there is some damage.
Just remembering.. It´s voltage really is 12 vdc.


Question: why sometimes it boots with the PROCESSOR SPEED LOW on?
          Anyone has it´s power supply schematics?

thanks!

Yahoo! Message number: 901
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 07:08:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] GRIDCASE 1520

Celso:

The correct power supply is 16.5 VDC and provides
about 4 amps.  It is made to slode into the pod bay or
be used totally external via cable.

12V DC is barely enough to run the system.  The "12V"
adapter (cord) is for use with automotave power 
( 13.5VDC to 14.7VDC )

I have run GRiDs many times on car power and unless
the internal dc to dc module is in top health it will
still have problems with that.


--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Hi!

Ive got a gridcase 1520 (286-red plasma display
-Beautifull!!).
Its hd is dead, but it was booting ok. It came with
an external DC 
adpter. I connected my 12 Vdc Supply, but its not
working.
When i connect the Dc supply that came with it, it
works sometimes.

But when I measured the Voltage its about 24
volts!!!!
I guess the previous owner, didnt know very well what
he was doing and probably there is some damage.
Just remembering.. Its voltage really is 12 vdc.


Question: why sometimes it boots with the PROCESSOR
SPEED LOW on?
          Anyone has its power supply schematics?

thanks!

          






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Yahoo! Message number: 902
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:45:18 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: GRIDCASE 1520

thanks!

ok..

I forgot that my Dc supply is 12vdc non-regulated (almost 16vdc 5
amps)
My gridcase 1530 does it well. but the 1520...
well, I´m almost giving it up.
By the way, it only works without the floppy or the HD. (not really
works, it starts.)
When i connect them (one and/or other) the display gets blank.

Any tips? Or it´s just a new pretty nice shelf-decoration item?

celso!



--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford <cjford1@s...>
wrote:
> Celso:
>
> The correct power supply is 16.5 VDC and provides
> about 4 amps.  It is made to slode into the pod bay or
> be used totally external via cable.
>
> 12V DC is barely enough to run the system.  The "12V"
> adapter (cord) is for use with automotave power
> ( 13.5VDC to 14.7VDC )
>
> I have run GRiDs many times on car power and unless
> the internal dc to dc module is in top health it will
> still have problems with that.
>
>
> --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
> Hi!
>
> I´ve got a gridcase 1520 (286-red plasma display
> -Beautifull!!).
> It´s hd is dead, but it was booting ok. It came with
> an external DC
> adpter. I connected my 12 Vdc Supply, but it´s not
> working.
> When i connect the Dc supply that came with it, it
> works sometimes.
>
> But when I measured the Voltage it´s about 24
> volts!!!!
> I guess the previous owner, didn´t know very well what
> he was doing and probably there is some damage.
> Just remembering.. It´s voltage really is 12 vdc.
>
>
> Question: why sometimes it boots with the PROCESSOR
> SPEED LOW on?
>           Anyone has it´s power supply schematics?
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 903
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:44:55 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: GRIDCASE 1520

thanks!

ok..

I forgot that my Dc supply is 12vdc non-regulated (almost 16vdc 5
amps)
My gridcase 1530 does it well. but the 1520...
well, I´m almost giving it up.
By the way, it only works without the floppy or the HD. (not really
works, it starts.)
When i connect them (one and/or other) the display gets blank.

Any tips? Or it´s just a new pretty nice shelf-decoration item?

celso!



--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford <cjford1@s...>
wrote:
> Celso:
>
> The correct power supply is 16.5 VDC and provides
> about 4 amps.  It is made to slode into the pod bay or
> be used totally external via cable.
>
> 12V DC is barely enough to run the system.  The "12V"
> adapter (cord) is for use with automotave power
> ( 13.5VDC to 14.7VDC )
>
> I have run GRiDs many times on car power and unless
> the internal dc to dc module is in top health it will
> still have problems with that.
>
>
> --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
> Hi!
>
> I´ve got a gridcase 1520 (286-red plasma display
> -Beautifull!!).
> It´s hd is dead, but it was booting ok. It came with
> an external DC
> adpter. I connected my 12 Vdc Supply, but it´s not
> working.
> When i connect the Dc supply that came with it, it
> works sometimes.
>
> But when I measured the Voltage it´s about 24
> volts!!!!
> I guess the previous owner, didn´t know very well what
> he was doing and probably there is some damage.
> Just remembering.. It´s voltage really is 12 vdc.
>
>
> Question: why sometimes it boots with the PROCESSOR
> SPEED LOW on?
>           Anyone has it´s power supply schematics?
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 904
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:42:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GRIDCASE 1520

Celso:

Sounds like the DC to DC.  

Anybody thought about power supply reconditioning?

Replace a handfull of electrolytic caps and the supply
is like new. 







--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
thanks!

ok..

I forgot that my Dc supply is 12vdc non-regulated
(almost 16vdc 5 
amps)
My gridcase 1530 does it well. but the 1520...
well, Im almost giving it up.
By the way, it only works without the floppy or the
HD. (not really 
works, it starts.) 
When i connect them (one and/or other) the display
gets blank.

Any tips? Or its just a new pretty nice
shelf-decoration item?

celso!



--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford
<cjford1@s...> 
wrote:
> Celso:
> 
> The correct power supply is 16.5 VDC and provides
> about 4 amps.  It is made to slode into the pod bay
or
> be used totally external via cable.
> 
> 12V DC is barely enough to run the system.  The
"12V"
> adapter (cord) is for use with automotave power 
> ( 13.5VDC to 14.7VDC )
> 
> I have run GRiDs many times on car power and unless
> the internal dc to dc module is in top health it
will
> still have problems with that.
> 
> 
> --- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@h...> wrote:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Hi!
> 
> Ive got a gridcase 1520 (286-red plasma display
> -Beautifull!!).
> Its hd is dead, but it was booting ok. It came with
> an external DC 
> adpter. I connected my 12 Vdc Supply, but its not
> working.
> When i connect the Dc supply that came with it, it
> works sometimes.
> 
> But when I measured the Voltage its about 24
> volts!!!!
> I guess the previous owner, didnt know very well
what
> he was doing and probably there is some damage.
> Just remembering.. Its voltage really is 12 vdc.
> 
> 
> Question: why sometimes it boots with the PROCESSOR
> SPEED LOW on?
>           Anyone has its power supply schematics?
> 
> thanks!
> 
>           
> 
>

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Yahoo! Message number: 905
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:20:23 -0000
From: "bobkaster"
Subject: GRiD 1535 Accessories for sale on Ebay

Hello,
I cleaned out my closet and finally decided to part with some
accessories for my GRiD 1535.  There are a 3.5" floppy drive, dual
serial port, battery pack, three expansion trays, and a few manuals
for sale.
Thanks,
Bob Kaster
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3450132447

Yahoo! Message number: 906
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:02:44 -0000
From: "celso_3b"
Subject: Re: GRIDCASE 1520

Hi, Charles.

OK!
I´ll try to replace the caps of the DC.
I´ve looked up for some capacitor oil leakage, but found nothing.
In fact, near the input AC-DC adaptor jack, on the mainboard,
I saw a little brown dust near the terminals, like dry capacitor oil.
I guess the DC section may be even worst.

By the way... Does the 1520 Red plasma display works on the 1530?
I mean, just reconnecting the cable, without replacing the controller
board (Mine 1530 is LCD).

Thanks!

Celso.



--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Charles Ford <cjford1@s...>
wrote:
> Celso:
>
> Sounds like the DC to DC.
>
> Anybody thought about power supply reconditioning?
>
> Replace a handfull of electrolytic caps and the supply
> is like new.
>

Yahoo! Message number: 907
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:19:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: GRIDCASE 1520

Ok.  When  you get your parts list ready be sure you
use high frequency (low ESR) electrolytics.  These are
usually the cause of switching supply failure.  I
don't usually worry about the smaller caps.  just the
cans. 



--- celso_3b <amaralmiranda@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Hi, Charles.

OK! 
Ill try to replace the caps of the DC.
Ive looked up for some capacitor oil leakage, but
found nothing.
In fact, near the input AC-DC adaptor jack, on the
mainboard, 
I saw a little brown dust near the terminals, like dry
capacitor oil.
I guess the DC section may be even worst.

By the way... Does the 1520 Red plasma display works
on the 1530?
I mean, just reconnecting the cable, without replacing
the controller 
board (Mine 1530 is LCD).

Thanks! 

Celso.



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> Celso:
> 
> Sounds like the DC to DC.  
> 
> Anybody thought about power supply reconditioning?
> 
> Replace a handfull of electrolytic caps and the
supply
> is like new. 
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Yahoo! Message number: 908
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:57:48 -0000
From: "a8073157"
Subject: GRiD 1550sx for sale

I'm offering a GRiD 1550sx for sale.  Needs new hard drive and floppy 
drive, and/or ???  See eBay auction # 3451159504 for details.  
Opening bid = $4.95.  Shipping by UPS Ground = $20.00.  Please route 
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Yahoo! Message number: 909
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:42:30 -0000
From: "Shawnerz"
Subject: Booting From Compact Flash

Hello all,
It's a holiday weekend here in US.  The weather is bad so I thought 
I'd tackle a project: getting the 1520 to boot from Compact Flash.
I "borrowed" from my job a Compact Flash to IDE adapter.  I ordered 
it from Mesa Electronics and they can be found here: 
http://www.mesanet.com/  Look under 'Disk Emulators.'  The adapters 
are not expensive, but the company has a $50 minimum order.

My first step was to install DOS onto a 128 MB CF.  I disconnected my 
HD on my home PC (a 633 MHz Celeron), and booted from a MS-DOS 
install floppy.  My computer BIOS sees the CF as an IDE device.  I 
installed DOS onto the CF with no problems.  The installation 
completes with no problems or errors.
Now, the problem is booting from the CF.  After my PC (the Celeron) 
does the Power-On Self Test (POST), it stops.  I get a blinking 
cursor.  CTL-ALT-DEL does nothing, and the computer accpets no 
keyboard input.
If I connect the HD back and boot to Win98, I see DOS on the CF.  I 
see config.sys and autoexec.bat and everything looks normal.  I 
manually changed LBA settings and re-installed, but there was no 
change.
Getting the 1520 to boot from CF is an unproven, complex process and 
I can't even get past the first easy step. :(
Any ideas anyone?
-Shawn

Yahoo! Message number: 910
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:54:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Update to Booting From Compact Flash

All,
A few months ago, I made a big mistake installing
Linux on my home PC.  I thought I had set up the
partition correctly but I didn't.  The result was I
corrupted the Master Boot Record of my primary hard
drive.  I was devistated because, by all appearances,
it looked like I overwrote all of my data on my
Windows C: drive.
Fortunatly, the data was still there.  Only the Master
Boot Record was wrong.  So, I re-installed Windows and
everything was OK.
A friend of mine later told me about an undocumented
switch in fdisk.  Supposedly, to fix my problem, all I
needed to do was type fdisk /mbr and I would have been
able to recover without having to re-install Windows.
Anyway, I told you that story to say that am now able
to boot from Compact Flash with my home PC.
I tried the command fdisk /mbr with MS-DOS 6.22.  It
did something (I have no idea what) and I got the
command prompt again.
I re-booted, but the computer still locked up.
So, then I booted from floppy then did a format c:
/s/u.
The /s switch is to make a system disk, and the /u is
unconditional (IOW, you can't un-format).
Then, I was magically able to boot from the CF!
I don't know if the fdisk /mbr was a factor, I don't
know if it was the format c: /s or what it was.
But, I then re-booted and installed MS-DOS 6.22 on the
CF card and everything works fine.

I had a minor scare after I got MS-DOS going.  I
looked in my computer and found my hard drive was
still connected.  I thought I had reformatted my hard
drive.
As it turns out, I had disabled my hard drive in BIOS
so all was good.
Now, I am on to programming EPROMS!
-Shawn

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> It's a holiday weekend here in US.  The weather is
> bad so I thought 
> I'd tackle a project: getting the 1520 to boot from
> Compact Flash.
> I "borrowed" from my job a Compact Flash to IDE
> adapter.  I ordered 
> it from Mesa Electronics and they can be found here:
> 
> http://www.mesanet.com/  Look under 'Disk
> Emulators.'  The adapters 
> are not expensive, but the company has a $50 minimum
> order.
> 
> My first step was to install DOS onto a 128 MB CF. 
> I disconnected my 
> HD on my home PC (a 633 MHz Celeron), and booted
> from a MS-DOS 
> install floppy.  My computer BIOS sees the CF as an
> IDE device.  I 
> installed DOS onto the CF with no problems.  The
> installation 
> completes with no problems or errors.
> Now, the problem is booting from the CF.  After my
> PC (the Celeron) 
> does the Power-On Self Test (POST), it stops.  I get
> a blinking 
> cursor.  CTL-ALT-DEL does nothing, and the computer
> accpets no 
> keyboard input.
> If I connect the HD back and boot to Win98, I see
> DOS on the CF.  I 
> see config.sys and autoexec.bat and everything looks
> normal.  I 
> manually changed LBA settings and re-installed, but
> there was no 
> change.
> Getting the 1520 to boot from CF is an unproven,
> complex process and 
> I can't even get past the first easy step. :(
> Any ideas anyone?
> -Shawn
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 911
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:43:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update to Booting From Compact Flash

Shawn; all:

Back when I tried to use the flash it seemed that the
bios didn't even recognise the card, even though the
ROM had been setup for those exact parameters. 

I did not think of trying the /mbr switch...

When I get a chance I will fire up that system again.

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
All,
A few months ago, I made a big mistake installing
Linux on my home PC.  I thought I had set up the
partition correctly but I didn't.  The result was I
corrupted the Master Boot Record of my primary hard
drive.  I was devistated because, by all appearances,
it looked like I overwrote all of my data on my
Windows C: drive.
Fortunatly, the data was still there.  Only the Master
Boot Record was wrong.  So, I re-installed Windows and
everything was OK.
A friend of mine later told me about an undocumented
switch in fdisk.  Supposedly, to fix my problem, all I
needed to do was type fdisk /mbr and I would have been
able to recover without having to re-install Windows.
Anyway, I told you that story to say that am now able
to boot from Compact Flash with my home PC.
I tried the command fdisk /mbr with MS-DOS 6.22.  It
did something (I have no idea what) and I got the
command prompt again.
I re-booted, but the computer still locked up.
So, then I booted from floppy then did a format c:
/s/u.
The /s switch is to make a system disk, and the /u is
unconditional (IOW, you can't un-format).
Then, I was magically able to boot from the CF!
I don't know if the fdisk /mbr was a factor, I don't
know if it was the format c: /s or what it was.
But, I then re-booted and installed MS-DOS 6.22 on the
CF card and everything works fine.

I had a minor scare after I got MS-DOS going.  I
looked in my computer and found my hard drive was
still connected.  I thought I had reformatted my hard
drive.
As it turns out, I had disabled my hard drive in BIOS
so all was good.
Now, I am on to programming EPROMS!
-Shawn

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> It's a holiday weekend here in US.  The weather is
> bad so I thought 
> I'd tackle a project: getting the 1520 to boot from
> Compact Flash.
> I "borrowed" from my job a Compact Flash to IDE
> adapter.  I ordered 
> it from Mesa Electronics and they can be found here:
> 
> http://www.mesanet.com/  Look under 'Disk
> Emulators.'  The adapters 
> are not expensive, but the company has a $50 minimum
> order.
> 
> My first step was to install DOS onto a 128 MB CF. 
> I disconnected my 
> HD on my home PC (a 633 MHz Celeron), and booted
> from a MS-DOS 
> install floppy.  My computer BIOS sees the CF as an
> IDE device.  I 
> installed DOS onto the CF with no problems.  The
> installation 
> completes with no problems or errors.
> Now, the problem is booting from the CF.  After my
> PC (the Celeron) 
> does the Power-On Self Test (POST), it stops.  I get
> a blinking 
> cursor.  CTL-ALT-DEL does nothing, and the computer
> accpets no 
> keyboard input.
> If I connect the HD back and boot to Win98, I see
> DOS on the CF.  I 
> see config.sys and autoexec.bat and everything looks
> normal.  I 
> manually changed LBA settings and re-installed, but
> there was no 
> change.
> Getting the 1520 to boot from CF is an unproven,
> complex process and 
> I can't even get past the first easy step. :(
> Any ideas anyone?
> -Shawn
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 912
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:33:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update to Booting From Compact Flash

Charlie and all,
I would first try to boot a "normal" PC from the CF. 
If that's sucessful then try a GRID.  

An update on my status:
What's the quote about the best laid plans of mice and
men, or something like that?
Anyway, I thought I was going to be able to have a
contiuous block time to work on this.  I was able to
squeeze in a few hours between watching kids.
I bought an EPROM progrommer and EPROMS from ebay
several months ago.
Since I have the BIOS chips read into a file, my first
task was to burn the original file back into my
EPROM's to validate my setup.
I actually read the documentation of my PROM
programmer and found it will take the file and make
ODD/EVEN PROMs.
The problem was getting the file to the PROM
programmer via the serial port.  Sounds easy.  
First of all, Hyperterm wasn't installed on my PC. 
Once I installed it, I found Hyperterm doesn't support
an ASCII transfer.  I also found that Win98 setup
removed Dial Up Networking in the process. :(

Then I tried Quicklink III that came with my modem. 
It supports an ASCII transfer, but I could never get
it to send it over COM1.  It always wants to send it
to the modem.  When I selected COM1 as the default, it
says the change won't take effect until I restart
Quicklink.  I'd re-start Quicklink and it still tried
to send it to the modem.
So, I thought I'd try my old faithful, Procomm Plus. 
I kept getting a "Division by Zero" error when I ran
the install program.  I rummaged in the basement for
over an hour looking for the Procomm docs to see if I
missed something.  It was a good thing I actually
bought Procomm.  I finally found the book and found I
have an old version of Procomm that won't install
under Windows (much less Windows 98).  Even if you
re-boot to "DOS" (which isn't true DOS), it won't
install.
I gave up last night but I know I'll have to do
something quickly.  This project is sitting on the
kitchen table and my wife won't let it sit there much
longer.
My plan is to dig out my old 386SX laptop, pray that
it still boots up, and attempt the transfer that way.
Wish me luck,
-Shawn
P.S.  And another thing, Charlie.  While looking for
the Procomm docs, I found the Microsoft docs for
MS-DOS 5.0.  The fdisk is mentioned, but no fdisk
/mbr.  However, in reading about fdisk, I remembered
that after fdisk-ing a partition, you have to format
it.  I wonder if format /mbr may do something.

--- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
> Shawn; all:
> 
> Back when I tried to use the flash it seemed that
> the
> bios didn't even recognise the card, even though the
> ROM had been setup for those exact parameters. 
> 
> I did not think of trying the /mbr switch...
> 
> When I get a chance I will fire up that system
> again.
> 
> --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:


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Yahoo! Message number: 913
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:43:53 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update to Booting From Compact Flash

Did you get yourself a eprom eraser?

Shawnerz wrote:

> Charlie and all,
> I would first try to boot a "normal" PC from the CF.
> If that's sucessful then try a GRID.
>
> An update on my status:
> What's the quote about the best laid plans of mice and
> men, or something like that?
> Anyway, I thought I was going to be able to have a
> contiuous block time to work on this.  I was able to
> squeeze in a few hours between watching kids.
> I bought an EPROM progrommer and EPROMS from ebay
> several months ago.
> Since I have the BIOS chips read into a file, my first
> task was to burn the original file back into my
> EPROM's to validate my setup.
> I actually read the documentation of my PROM
> programmer and found it will take the file and make
> ODD/EVEN PROMs.
> The problem was getting the file to the PROM
> programmer via the serial port.  Sounds easy.
> First of all, Hyperterm wasn't installed on my PC.
> Once I installed it, I found Hyperterm doesn't support
> an ASCII transfer.  I also found that Win98 setup
> removed Dial Up Networking in the process. :(
>
> Then I tried Quicklink III that came with my modem.
> It supports an ASCII transfer, but I could never get
> it to send it over COM1.  It always wants to send it
> to the modem.  When I selected COM1 as the default, it
> says the change won't take effect until I restart
> Quicklink.  I'd re-start Quicklink and it still tried
> to send it to the modem.
> So, I thought I'd try my old faithful, Procomm Plus.
> I kept getting a "Division by Zero" error when I ran
> the install program.  I rummaged in the basement for
> over an hour looking for the Procomm docs to see if I
> missed something.  It was a good thing I actually
> bought Procomm.  I finally found the book and found I
> have an old version of Procomm that won't install
> under Windows (much less Windows 98).  Even if you
> re-boot to "DOS" (which isn't true DOS), it won't
> install.
> I gave up last night but I know I'll have to do
> something quickly.  This project is sitting on the
> kitchen table and my wife won't let it sit there much
> longer.
> My plan is to dig out my old 386SX laptop, pray that
> it still boots up, and attempt the transfer that way.
> Wish me luck,
> -Shawn
> P.S.  And another thing, Charlie.  While looking for
> the Procomm docs, I found the Microsoft docs for
> MS-DOS 5.0.  The fdisk is mentioned, but no fdisk
> /mbr.  However, in reading about fdisk, I remembered
> that after fdisk-ing a partition, you have to format
> it.  I wonder if format /mbr may do something.
>
> --- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
> > Shawn; all:
> >
> > Back when I tried to use the flash it seemed that
> > the
> > bios didn't even recognise the card, even though the
> > ROM had been setup for those exact parameters.
> >
> > I did not think of trying the /mbr switch...
> >
> > When I get a chance I will fire up that system
> > again.
> >
> > --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 914
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:47:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update to Booting From Compact Flash

Yup. :-)
-Shawn

--- "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@...> wrote:
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Yahoo! Message number: 915
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:52:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

Charlie,
Still a little confused.

> e.g. CP344 contains only 5 bytes as the other model
> numbers (CP3044) allowing you to shift the table
> over.

The string "CP3044" contains 6 bytes, right?

It kind of makes sense: CP322 (5 bytes) + CP344 (5
bytes) + CP3044 (6 bytes) = 16.
BTW, does the space for the 1530 or the 1535 drive
values equal a multiple of 8?

> I used this method on the IBM-DALA (8 bytes) which
> is
> the drive I am currently using in my vga-1530
> 
> Consider also this.  If you grab the last 8 bytes of
> the string are you grabing also the <cr><lf> leaving
> you 6 bytes for the model number info?

My guess is there isn't a <cr><lf>.  The ATA-ID string
is probably terminated by a NULL character.  The NULL
would be seen by the BIOS as the end of the string and
not 'scanf-ed' into the string.

Updating my progress:
I got home from work last night eager to make some
headway.  It took about 10 tries to get my old 386SX
to boot.  I finally got it up and then had to figure
out how to talk to the EPROM programmer.
I could never transfer from the laptop to the
programmer.  Finally, I found I needed a null modem
adapter to transfer.  I had the programmer send data
to the PC and I realized that I hit another roadblock:
the data is formatted for Intel Hex.  I can't send a
straight ASCII text file to the programmer and have
the programmer program the EPROM. :(
We have one at work but now the issue is finding the
time. :(
-Shawn



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Yahoo! Message number: 916
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:21:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: 2 RS-232 Port

Here's something you don't see every day:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3454648521&category=31534

I don't know why you'd need two additional serial
ports, but it looks interesting.  Overpriced, but
interesting.
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 917
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:24:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Charlie,
Still a little confused.

> e.g. CP344 contains only 5 bytes as the other model
> numbers (CP3044) allowing you to shift the table
> over.

The string "CP3044" contains 6 bytes, right?

Correct.  In the 1530 there is an entry for model
CP344
and an entry for CP3044


It kind of makes sense: CP322 (5 bytes) + CP344 (5
bytes) + CP3044 (6 bytes) = 16.
BTW, does the space for the 1530 or the 1535 drive
values equal a multiple of 8?

> I used this method on the IBM-DALA (8 bytes) which
> is
> the drive I am currently using in my vga-1530
> 
> Consider also this.  If you grab the last 8 bytes of
> the string are you grabing also the <cr><lf> leaving
> you 6 bytes for the model number info?

My guess is there isn't a <cr><lf>.  The ATA-ID string
is probably terminated by a NULL character.  The NULL
would be seen by the BIOS as the end of the string and
not 'scanf-ed' into the string.

Updating my progress:
I got home from work last night eager to make some
headway.  It took about 10 tries to get my old 386SX
to boot.  I finally got it up and then had to figure
out how to talk to the EPROM programmer.
I could never transfer from the laptop to the
programmer.  Finally, I found I needed a null modem
adapter to transfer.  I had the programmer send data
to the PC and I realized that I hit another roadblock:
the data is formatted for Intel Hex.  I can't send a
straight ASCII text file to the programmer and have
the programmer program the EPROM. :(
We have one at work but now the issue is finding the
time. :(
-Shawn



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Yahoo! Message number: 918
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:13:48 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

Send me the file let me have a look

Charles Ford wrote:

> --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
> Charlie,
> Still a little confused.
>
> > e.g. CP344 contains only 5 bytes as the other model
> > numbers (CP3044) allowing you to shift the table
> > over.
>
> The string "CP3044" contains 6 bytes, right?
>
> Correct.  In the 1530 there is an entry for model
> CP344
> and an entry for CP3044
>
> It kind of makes sense: CP322 (5 bytes) + CP344 (5
> bytes) + CP3044 (6 bytes) = 16.
> BTW, does the space for the 1530 or the 1535 drive
> values equal a multiple of 8?
>
> > I used this method on the IBM-DALA (8 bytes) which
> > is
> > the drive I am currently using in my vga-1530
> >
> > Consider also this.  If you grab the last 8 bytes of
> > the string are you grabing also the <cr><lf> leaving
> > you 6 bytes for the model number info?
>
> My guess is there isn't a <cr><lf>.  The ATA-ID string
> is probably terminated by a NULL character.  The NULL
> would be seen by the BIOS as the end of the string and
> not 'scanf-ed' into the string.
>
> Updating my progress:
> I got home from work last night eager to make some
> headway.  It took about 10 tries to get my old 386SX
> to boot.  I finally got it up and then had to figure
> out how to talk to the EPROM programmer.
> I could never transfer from the laptop to the
> programmer.  Finally, I found I needed a null modem
> adapter to transfer.  I had the programmer send data
> to the PC and I realized that I hit another roadblock:
> the data is formatted for Intel Hex.  I can't send a
> straight ASCII text file to the programmer and have
> the programmer program the EPROM. :(
> We have one at work but now the issue is finding the
> time. :(
> -Shawn
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 919
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:20:11 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

Maybe your math is wrong in figuring out the bytes?

3 guys get a motel 4 the night
they walk in and ask .... how much 4 the room
innkeeper says only $30 bux for u guys ... we aint busy
a little while later he shakes his head and says i overcharged those
guys
i shuda charged them $25
he gives $5 to the bellhop to take to the room
bellhop going up the stairs says to himself ... i cant split $5 between
3 guys ... scewem em ... ill just give em a $1 refund
so he goes to the door and gives each o them a buck
and ... puts $2 in his pocket
NOW
room was $25
each guy paid $9
bellboy has $2
total =$29

What happened to the extra $1?


Charles Ford wrote:

> --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
> Charlie,
> Still a little confused.
>
> > e.g. CP344 contains only 5 bytes as the other model
> > numbers (CP3044) allowing you to shift the table
> > over.
>
> The string "CP3044" contains 6 bytes, right?
>
> Correct.  In the 1530 there is an entry for model
> CP344
> and an entry for CP3044
>
> It kind of makes sense: CP322 (5 bytes) + CP344 (5
> bytes) + CP3044 (6 bytes) = 16.
> BTW, does the space for the 1530 or the 1535 drive
> values equal a multiple of 8?
>
> > I used this method on the IBM-DALA (8 bytes) which
> > is
> > the drive I am currently using in my vga-1530
> >
> > Consider also this.  If you grab the last 8 bytes of
> > the string are you grabing also the <cr><lf> leaving
> > you 6 bytes for the model number info?
>
> My guess is there isn't a <cr><lf>.  The ATA-ID string
> is probably terminated by a NULL character.  The NULL
> would be seen by the BIOS as the end of the string and
> not 'scanf-ed' into the string.
>
> Updating my progress:
> I got home from work last night eager to make some
> headway.  It took about 10 tries to get my old 386SX
> to boot.  I finally got it up and then had to figure
> out how to talk to the EPROM programmer.
> I could never transfer from the laptop to the
> programmer.  Finally, I found I needed a null modem
> adapter to transfer.  I had the programmer send data
> to the PC and I realized that I hit another roadblock:
> the data is formatted for Intel Hex.  I can't send a
> straight ASCII text file to the programmer and have
> the programmer program the EPROM. :(
> We have one at work but now the issue is finding the
> time. :(
> -Shawn
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Yahoo! Message number: 920
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:21:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

Len,
It's in the Files area. But I'll attach it in an email
directly to you.  The odd/even files will be merged.
The address for the start of the drive ID types is at
line 5030.  5039 to be specific.
I use WinHex as my hex editor.
-Shawn

--- "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@...> wrote:
> Send me the file let me have a look
> 
> Charles Ford wrote:
> 
> > --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Charlie,
> > Still a little confused.
> >
> > > e.g. CP344 contains only 5 bytes as the other
> model
> > > numbers (CP3044) allowing you to shift the table
> > > over.
> >
> > The string "CP3044" contains 6 bytes, right?
> >
> > Correct.  In the 1530 there is an entry for model
> > CP344
> > and an entry for CP3044
> >
> > It kind of makes sense: CP322 (5 bytes) + CP344 (5
> > bytes) + CP3044 (6 bytes) = 16.
> > BTW, does the space for the 1530 or the 1535 drive
> > values equal a multiple of 8?
> >
> > > I used this method on the IBM-DALA (8 bytes)
> which
> > > is
> > > the drive I am currently using in my vga-1530
> > >
> > > Consider also this.  If you grab the last 8
> bytes of
> > > the string are you grabing also the <cr><lf>
> leaving
> > > you 6 bytes for the model number info?
> >
> > My guess is there isn't a <cr><lf>.  The ATA-ID
> string
> > is probably terminated by a NULL character.  The
> NULL
> > would be seen by the BIOS as the end of the string
> and
> > not 'scanf-ed' into the string.
> >
> > Updating my progress:
> > I got home from work last night eager to make some
> > headway.  It took about 10 tries to get my old
> 386SX
> > to boot.  I finally got it up and then had to
> figure
> > out how to talk to the EPROM programmer.
> > I could never transfer from the laptop to the
> > programmer.  Finally, I found I needed a null
> modem
> > adapter to transfer.  I had the programmer send
> data
> > to the PC and I realized that I hit another
> roadblock:
> > the data is formatted for Intel Hex.  I can't send
> a
> > straight ASCII text file to the programmer and
> have
> > the programmer program the EPROM. :(
> > We have one at work but now the issue is finding
> the
> > time. :(
> > -Shawn
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Yahoo! Message number: 921
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:22:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 2 RS-232 Port

There are some ham radio applications...

For example APRS

To hook up your GPS,TNC and a mouse on a 1530 would
require 3 ports. 

Currently I am looking at the possibility of writing
an APRS program that utilizes USGS Tiger files to
generate mapes. 


--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Here's something you don't see every day:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3454648521&category=31534

I don't know why you'd need two additional serial
ports, but it looks interesting.  Overpriced, but
interesting.
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Yahoo! Message number: 922
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:28:17 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

Are there 2 separate EPROM's an odd and an even?  If so send me 2 files
I can load them into my software and then save them out as hex, but you
might want to try copies of the original EPROM's to test this on first.

Take the files that are txt files and just rename them to .hex and see
if you can burn them then.

Shawnerz wrote:

> Len,
> It's in the Files area. But I'll attach it in an email
> directly to you.  The odd/even files will be merged.
> The address for the start of the drive ID types is at
> line 5030.  5039 to be specific.
> I use WinHex as my hex editor.
> -Shawn
>
> --- "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@...> wrote:
> > Send me the file let me have a look
> >
> > Charles Ford wrote:
> >
> > > --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Charlie,
> > > Still a little confused.
> > >
> > > > e.g. CP344 contains only 5 bytes as the other
> > model
> > > > numbers (CP3044) allowing you to shift the table
> > > > over.
> > >
> > > The string "CP3044" contains 6 bytes, right?
> > >
> > > Correct.  In the 1530 there is an entry for model
> > > CP344
> > > and an entry for CP3044
> > >
> > > It kind of makes sense: CP322 (5 bytes) + CP344 (5
> > > bytes) + CP3044 (6 bytes) = 16.
> > > BTW, does the space for the 1530 or the 1535 drive
> > > values equal a multiple of 8?
> > >
> > > > I used this method on the IBM-DALA (8 bytes)
> > which
> > > > is
> > > > the drive I am currently using in my vga-1530
> > > >
> > > > Consider also this.  If you grab the last 8
> > bytes of
> > > > the string are you grabing also the <cr><lf>
> > leaving
> > > > you 6 bytes for the model number info?
> > >
> > > My guess is there isn't a <cr><lf>.  The ATA-ID
> > string
> > > is probably terminated by a NULL character.  The
> > NULL
> > > would be seen by the BIOS as the end of the string
> > and
> > > not 'scanf-ed' into the string.
> > >
> > > Updating my progress:
> > > I got home from work last night eager to make some
> > > headway.  It took about 10 tries to get my old
> > 386SX
> > > to boot.  I finally got it up and then had to
> > figure
> > > out how to talk to the EPROM programmer.
> > > I could never transfer from the laptop to the
> > > programmer.  Finally, I found I needed a null
> > modem
> > > adapter to transfer.  I had the programmer send
> > data
> > > to the PC and I realized that I hit another
> > roadblock:
> > > the data is formatted for Intel Hex.  I can't send
> > a
> > > straight ASCII text file to the programmer and
> > have
> > > the programmer program the EPROM. :(
> > > We have one at work but now the issue is finding
> > the
> > > time. :(
> > > -Shawn
> > >
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Yahoo! Message number: 923
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:49:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

Len,
 
> Take the files that are txt files and just rename
> them to .hex and see
> if you can burn them then.

The problem is the format of the file when it's
transferred from the PC to the EPROM programmer.  My
PC is spitting out straight ASCII but the format needs
to be Intel Hex (or Motorola Hex).
Changing the file extension doesn't change anything.
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 924
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:45:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

Len,
If I'm not mistaken, those guys went to Canada and the
transaction took place using Canadian dollars so with
the exchange rate, it all worked out right.

Seriously, isn't it a math error in mixing
multiplication and addition or something?  It's been
too long.
-Shawn

--- "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@...> wrote:
> Maybe your math is wrong in figuring out the bytes?
> 
> 3 guys get a motel 4 the night
> they walk in and ask .... how much 4 the room
> innkeeper says only $30 bux for u guys ... we aint
> busy
> a little while later he shakes his head and says i
> overcharged those
> guys
> i shuda charged them $25
> he gives $5 to the bellhop to take to the room
> bellhop going up the stairs says to himself ... i
> cant split $5 between
> 3 guys ... scewem em ... ill just give em a $1
> refund
> so he goes to the door and gives each o them a buck
> and ... puts $2 in his pocket
> NOW
> room was $25
> each guy paid $9
> bellboy has $2
> total =$29
> 
> What happened to the extra $1?

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Yahoo! Message number: 925
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:08:03 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

Did you try?  I have had the same problem before years ago and that's
all we did to fix it.


Shawnerz wrote:

> Len,
>
> > Take the files that are txt files and just rename
> > them to .hex and see
> > if you can burn them then.
>
> The problem is the format of the file when it's
> transferred from the PC to the EPROM programmer.  My
> PC is spitting out straight ASCII but the format needs
> to be Intel Hex (or Motorola Hex).
> Changing the file extension doesn't change anything.
> -Shawn
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 926
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:19:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

Len:

The drive ID translation method I used is imbeded in
the 1530ROM program in the group file vault. 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuGRiD-Laptop/files/1530ROM.zip

This works for the 1530 on avery drive I have tried.
However.  Not on the compact flash
 
Sad scenario is the same.  The CF boots on every other
system I have, including an old 286 we use for lagacy
support at work. 


--- "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Send me the file let me have a look

Charles Ford wrote:

> --- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
> Charlie,
> Still a little confused.
>
> > e.g. CP344 contains only 5 bytes as the other
model
> > numbers (CP3044) allowing you to shift the table
> > over.
>
> The string "CP3044" contains 6 bytes, right?
>
> Correct.  In the 1530 there is an entry for model
> CP344
> and an entry for CP3044
>
> It kind of makes sense: CP322 (5 bytes) + CP344 (5
> bytes) + CP3044 (6 bytes) = 16.
> BTW, does the space for the 1530 or the 1535 drive
> values equal a multiple of 8?
>
> > I used this method on the IBM-DALA (8 bytes) which
> > is
> > the drive I am currently using in my vga-1530
> >
> > Consider also this.  If you grab the last 8 bytes
of
> > the string are you grabing also the <cr><lf>
leaving
> > you 6 bytes for the model number info?
>
> My guess is there isn't a <cr><lf>.  The ATA-ID
string
> is probably terminated by a NULL character.  The
NULL
> would be seen by the BIOS as the end of the string
and
> not 'scanf-ed' into the string.
>
> Updating my progress:
> I got home from work last night eager to make some
> headway.  It took about 10 tries to get my old 386SX
> to boot.  I finally got it up and then had to figure
> out how to talk to the EPROM programmer.
> I could never transfer from the laptop to the
> programmer.  Finally, I found I needed a null modem
> adapter to transfer.  I had the programmer send data
> to the PC and I realized that I hit another
roadblock:
> the data is formatted for Intel Hex.  I can't send a
> straight ASCII text file to the programmer and have
> the programmer program the EPROM. :(
> We have one at work but now the issue is finding the
> time. :(
> -Shawn
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 927
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:35:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

The dollar is not missing.  The story teller is no
mathomatician.  They say word problems can be a @#$%

Actual cost of the room
3*9  = 27

25 to the manager, two the the bellhop is 27

What missing dollar?


--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Len,
If I'm not mistaken, those guys went to Canada and the
transaction took place using Canadian dollars so with
the exchange rate, it all worked out right.

Seriously, isn't it a math error in mixing
multiplication and addition or something?  It's been
too long.
-Shawn

--- "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@...> wrote:
> Maybe your math is wrong in figuring out the bytes?
> 
> 3 guys get a motel 4 the night
> they walk in and ask .... how much 4 the room
> innkeeper says only $30 bux for u guys ... we aint
> busy
> a little while later he shakes his head and says i
> overcharged those
> guys
> i shuda charged them $25
> he gives $5 to the bellhop to take to the room
> bellhop going up the stairs says to himself ... i
> cant split $5 between
> 3 guys ... scewem em ... ill just give em a $1
> refund
> so he goes to the door and gives each o them a buck
> and ... puts $2 in his pocket
> NOW
> room was $25
> each guy paid $9
> bellboy has $2
> total =$29
> 
> What happened to the extra $1?

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Yahoo! Message number: 928
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:46:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Update (#2) to Booting From Compact Flash

ROMS in HEX, BIN, and TXT

Ok here is the deal

Most compilers produce output in ether Motorola-S or
Intel hex.  These formats are a TEXT representation of
the actual data. 

What you need to oporate your rom burner is... 
Whatever file format the burner can digest. 

So

If the burner sends and receives ".hex" you talk Intel
hex.  If the burner sends and receives ".s" you talk
Mot-S.  If the burner sends and receives ".bin" then
you talk binary.

Som format translators can be downloaded here
http://www.abi-usa.com/downloads/UTILS/



--- Shawnerz <shawnerz@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Len,
 
> Take the files that are txt files and just rename
> them to .hex and see
> if you can burn them then.

The problem is the format of the file when it's
transferred from the PC to the EPROM programmer.  My
PC is spitting out straight ASCII but the format needs
to be Intel Hex (or Motorola Hex).
Changing the file extension doesn't change anything.
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 929
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:25:48 -0000
From: "csgundam21"
Subject: 1535EXP and Compass 1101 problems

I have a 1535EXP with a dead hard drive.  I tried to boot from floppy 
with an external floppy drive and a 1.44mb HD disk formatted as a 
720k.  The floppy drive light comes on for one second then goes off.  
Is there something wrong the floppy drive?  If anyone has a 
compatible hard drive for the 1535EXP they're selling, I might be 
interested.

I also have a Compass 1101, that when turned on says Out of Memory 
and I can't use any programs on there.  I might be able to get a 
floppy drive for it, but I don't know where I'd find any files or 
anything for it.  Also, does anybody have a Compass 1101 manual that 
they could copy for me?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Yahoo! Message number: 930
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:55:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535EXP and Compass 1101 problems

With the 1535, try holding down the "F" key during
boot up.  It's supposed to force the unit to boot from
floppy.  I've never gotten it to work but others have
had success with it.

As far as the Compass, I have one buried under my
bench.  I believe it has 1 MB of RAM but I don't
remember what type.  I know it may be a dumb question
but, are you sure there is RAM in it?
-Shawn

--- csgundam21 <CSGundam@...> wrote:
> I have a 1535EXP with a dead hard drive.  I tried to
> boot from floppy 
> with an external floppy drive and a 1.44mb HD disk
> formatted as a 
> 720k.  The floppy drive light comes on for one
> second then goes off.  
> Is there something wrong the floppy drive?  If
> anyone has a 
> compatible hard drive for the 1535EXP they're
> selling, I might be 
> interested.
> 
> I also have a Compass 1101, that when turned on says
> Out of Memory 
> and I can't use any programs on there.  I might be
> able to get a 
> floppy drive for it, but I don't know where I'd find
> any files or 
> anything for it.  Also, does anybody have a Compass
> 1101 manual that 
> they could copy for me?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 931
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:20:37 -0500
From:
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535EXP and Compass 1101 problems

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

i have a few 1535exp units with the expansion tray. would be interested in swapping all my 1535exp stuff for your compass. i want one for my "cool grid" stuff collection even if it doesnt work.

robert

> 
> From: "csgundam21" <CSGundam@...>
> Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 03:25:48 EST
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535EXP and Compass 1101 problems
> 
> 

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 932
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:47:38 -0800
From: lgwalker@...
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Disk Boot Error

I finally got around to switching out the non-working Conner
in my 1520 but alas am now getting a Code 2 error. I tried
using the Pheonix Bios program as well as Snooper which
has a CMOS editing program to no avail since with the battery 
dead it can't retain the info. Aaaarrrrgh !

 I checked out the Dallas site and the 12887A replacement is
still available. The A indicates re-setable ROM, which is needed for
the password function. In the price listing ($6.14) they include 
quantities of 1-24, and of course much larger quantities.
 I couldn't find a minimum dollar amount restriction.

http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/

Damn ! Another item to put on my to-do list.

Lawrence

On 2 Dec 2003 at 11:15, Charles Ford wrote:

> If you are trying to boot from the floppy you must
> press the "F" key immediatly folliwing the POST tone. 
> Otherwise it will continue to attempt to boot from the
> harddrive.  This procedure is necessarry only if the
> harddrive is recognised. 
> 
> Also
> 
> Conf code #02 means that there is a problem comparing
> the harddrive to the cmos table. When you strike F1
> the cmos table may be updated but the Bootloader DCT
> is not. Press <Ctrl>,<Alt>, and<Del> and see if the
> system comes on normally.  IF at that time you receive
> the error "Time of day clock not set" you probably
> have a dead CMOS battery. 
> 
> --- monska2000 <lmonczka@...> wrote:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> The following appears shortly after turning the power
> on. Can somone 
> help me with this problem? I have no reference
> material or software.
> 
> : 
> : Phoenix 80286 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 3/11/89
> : Copyright (c) 1985,1986 Phoenix Technologies Ltd
> : All Rights Reserved
> 
> : 640K Base Memory, 00384K EMS Memory
> : Invalid configuration information; code 02
> : Strike the F1 key to continue
> : Disk Boot Error
> : Disk Boot Error
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 933
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:30:25 -0000
From: "dodgeflathead"
Subject: Re: 1520 Disk Boot Error

> 
>  I checked out the Dallas site and the 12887A replacement is
> still available. The A indicates re-setable ROM, which is needed for
> the password function. In the price listing ($6.14) they include 
> quantities of 1-24, and of course much larger quantities.
>  I couldn't find a minimum dollar amount restriction.
>

save yourself money. You can order samples. look around on the 
product page for the samples link.

Dane

Yahoo! Message number: 934
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:44:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Disk Boot Error

Lawrence,
I'm not familiar with Snooper.  Please tell us more
about it.  What does it do to or for the BIOS?
Thanks,
-Shawn

--- lgwalker@... wrote:
> I finally got around to switching out the
> non-working Conner
> in my 1520 but alas am now getting a Code 2 error. I
> tried
> using the Pheonix Bios program as well as Snooper
> which
> has a CMOS editing program to no avail since with
> the battery 
> dead it can't retain the info. Aaaarrrrgh !
> 
>  I checked out the Dallas site and the 12887A
> replacement is
> still available. The A indicates re-setable ROM,
> which is needed for
> the password function. In the price listing ($6.14)
> they include 
> quantities of 1-24, and of course much larger
> quantities.
>  I couldn't find a minimum dollar amount
> restriction.
> 
> http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/
> 
> Damn ! Another item to put on my to-do list.
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> On 2 Dec 2003 at 11:15, Charles Ford wrote:
> 
> > If you are trying to boot from the floppy you must
> > press the "F" key immediatly folliwing the POST
> tone. 
> > Otherwise it will continue to attempt to boot from
> the
> > harddrive.  This procedure is necessarry only if
> the
> > harddrive is recognised. 
> > 
> > Also
> > 
> > Conf code #02 means that there is a problem
> comparing
> > the harddrive to the cmos table. When you strike
> F1
> > the cmos table may be updated but the Bootloader
> DCT
> > is not. Press <Ctrl>,<Alt>, and<Del> and see if
> the
> > system comes on normally.  IF at that time you
> receive
> > the error "Time of day clock not set" you probably
> > have a dead CMOS battery. 
> > 
> > --- monska2000 <lmonczka@...> wrote:
> > 
> > ---------------------------------
> > The following appears shortly after turning the
> power
> > on. Can somone 
> > help me with this problem? I have no reference
> > material or software.
> > 
> > : 
> > : Phoenix 80286 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 3/11/89
> > : Copyright (c) 1985,1986 Phoenix Technologies Ltd
> > : All Rights Reserved
> > 
> > : 640K Base Memory, 00384K EMS Memory
> > : Invalid configuration information; code 02
> > : Strike the F1 key to continue
> > : Disk Boot Error
> > : Disk Boot Error
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 935
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:59:20 -0800
From: lgwalker@...
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 Disk Boot Error

 I'm basicly an older computer collector. Older generally meaning pre-1990.
An exception being the Next and some laptops.

 With PC's one of my essential programs is Snooper, a msdos shareware 
program readily available on most software sites. It has a nice interface
in a dos window. It catalogues the hardware on the computer and the
port info as well as having a CMOS display function and allows you to set
various parameters such as date and time, floppy parameters, HD types
and settings, and more.

 My most essential tool is CMFiler, another shareware program that has been
around for years. It will work with all winblows in a dos window and is similar to 
Norton Commander and Hack-it only much better. You can read most files in 
hex and it can give you the asci so you can figure out commands or what the 
file is. An extremely sophisticated tool for manipulating or edting files, with a 2-
panel interface and an amazing assortment of tools.

Some good diagnostic programs are Check-it , QAPlus,  AGSI,
and Modem Doctor. All dos programs.

Lawrence

On 14 Feb 2004 at 10:44, Shawnerz wrote:

> Lawrence,
> I'm not familiar with Snooper.  Please tell us more
> about it.  What does it do to or for the BIOS?
> Thanks,
> -Shawn
> 
> --- lgwalker@... wrote:
> > I finally got around to switching out the
> > non-working Conner
> > in my 1520 but alas am now getting a Code 2 error. I
> > tried
> > using the Pheonix Bios program as well as Snooper
> > which
> > has a CMOS editing program to no avail since with
> > the battery 
> > dead it can't retain the info. Aaaarrrrgh !
> > 
> >  I checked out the Dallas site and the 12887A
> > replacement is
> > still available. The A indicates re-setable ROM,
> > which is needed for
> > the password function. In the price listing ($6.14)
> > they include 
> > quantities of 1-24, and of course much larger
> > quantities.
> >  I couldn't find a minimum dollar amount
> > restriction.
> > 
> > http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/
> > 
> > Damn ! Another item to put on my to-do list.
> > 
> > Lawrence
> > 
> > On 2 Dec 2003 at 11:15, Charles Ford wrote:
> > 
> > > If you are trying to boot from the floppy you must
> > > press the "F" key immediatly folliwing the POST
> > tone. 
> > > Otherwise it will continue to attempt to boot from
> > the
> > > harddrive.  This procedure is necessarry only if
> > the
> > > harddrive is recognised. 
> > > 
> > > Also
> > > 
> > > Conf code #02 means that there is a problem
> > comparing
> > > the harddrive to the cmos table. When you strike
> > F1
> > > the cmos table may be updated but the Bootloader
> > DCT
> > > is not. Press <Ctrl>,<Alt>, and<Del> and see if
> > the
> > > system comes on normally.  IF at that time you
> > receive
> > > the error "Time of day clock not set" you probably
> > > have a dead CMOS battery. 
> > > 
> > > --- monska2000 <lmonczka@...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > The following appears shortly after turning the
> > power
> > > on. Can somone 
> > > help me with this problem? I have no reference
> > > material or software.
> > > 
> > > : 
> > > : Phoenix 80286 ROM BIOS Version 3.06 3/11/89
> > > : Copyright (c) 1985,1986 Phoenix Technologies Ltd
> > > : All Rights Reserved
> > > 
> > > : 640K Base Memory, 00384K EMS Memory
> > > : Invalid configuration information; code 02
> > > : Strike the F1 key to continue
> > > : Disk Boot Error
> > > : Disk Boot Error
> > > 
> > > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 936
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:59:21 -0800
From: lgwalker@...
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: 1520 Disk Boot Error

On 14 Feb 2004 at 3:30, dodgeflathead wrote:

> > 
> >  I checked out the Dallas site and the 12887A replacement is
> > still available. The A indicates re-setable ROM, which is needed for
> > the password function. In the price listing ($6.14) they include 
> > quantities of 1-24, and of course much larger quantities.
> >  I couldn't find a minimum dollar amount restriction.
> >
> 
> save yourself money. You can order samples. look around on the 
> product page for the samples link.
> 
> Dane
> 
 I'll try it but usually you have to fake yourself as a developer which
becomes a bit unbelievable when your address is rural northern Canada.

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Yahoo! Message number: 937
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:51:14 -0000
From: "frankiebertone"
Subject: File transers

I have a copy of windows 286 on 5.25 floppys I would like to try 
loading onto my 1520. Does anyone have a system with 5.25 and 3.5 
floppys to do a transfer? Has anyone tried a parallel port 5.25 
floppy add-on? I see these on ebay periodically and wonder if they 
could work on a grid.

thanks,

frankie bertone

Yahoo! Message number: 938
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:56:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] File transers

Windows (as far back as I know) will set up fine if
you copy all of the compressed files into a common
directory.

There are also plenty of file transfer methods you can
use to get the files into the GRiD


--- frankiebertone <frankiebertone@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
I have a copy of windows 286 on 5.25 floppys I would
like to try 
loading onto my 1520. Does anyone have a system with
5.25 and 3.5 
floppys to do a transfer? Has anyone tried a parallel
port 5.25 
floppy add-on? I see these on ebay periodically and
wonder if they 
could work on a grid.

thanks,

frankie bertone



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Yahoo! Message number: 939
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:08:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] File transers

Hello Frankie,
I don't think I still have a 5.25 drive in my house. 
I'll have to check the stuff in the basement to be
sure.
If I Remember Correctly (IIRC), 5.25 floppies on grids
are external devices that connect to the port numbered
"5 External Peripheral."  It looks like a parallel
port, but there is a plastic plug in one of pins that
prevents a DB-25 from being connected to it.
>From time to time, I see 5.25 Grid drives on ebay. 
You could consider that.
Connecting a 5.25 floppy parallel add-on could work as
long as the driver works with a 286 processor.

Wow, Win 286.  Was that a Microsoft release?  I'm
trying to remember what it was, but I'm coming up
blank. Maybe you can tell us about it.
Thanks,
-Shawn

--- frankiebertone <frankiebertone@...> wrote:
> I have a copy of windows 286 on 5.25 floppys I would
> like to try 
> loading onto my 1520. Does anyone have a system with
> 5.25 and 3.5 
> floppys to do a transfer? Has anyone tried a
> parallel port 5.25 
> floppy add-on? I see these on ebay periodically and
> wonder if they 
> could work on a grid.
> 
> thanks,
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 940
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:15:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] File transers

Charlie,
> There are also plenty of file transfer methods you
> can
> use to get the files into the GRiD

Really, how? Lets say you've got a 1520 with DOS, a
3.5 floppy and, for S's & G's, it's got a modem.  How
would you get the data from the 5.25 floppy to the
hard drive on a grid?

If you have an external computer with a 5.25 drive and
a 3.5 drive, it's a "no-brainer"-you just copy the
floppies.
If you don't have a 5.25 drive (which I assume Frankie
doesn't) the transfer gets a bit thornier.
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 941
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:49:40 -0000
From: "Shawnerz"
Subject: Emulator Thoughts

All,
I was thinking the past few weeks about an emuluator project.  Would 
it be possible to use a couple of PIC's (say, the popular Stamp from 
Parallax) to emulate the 1520 BIOS PROMS?  
The advance is being able to edit the BIOS chips on the fly.
Can it set the data on the bus in time?  Has anybody else gone down 
this route of using some other microcontroller to emulate a hardware 
device?  Any "gotcha's"?
Am I reinventing the wheel?  Is there an easier way?
Thanks,
-Shawn

Yahoo! Message number: 942
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:09:29 -0000
From: "Ric Nepil"
Subject: The GRiD - forum for ex-GRiD Employees

Hi,

Thanks Shawn for sponsoring the is forum. I also run a GRiD related 
forum for ex-GRiD employees. It can be reached at 

http://www.mumbo.org

It's nice to meet others with a similar passion for this innovative 
computer.

Ric    

Yahoo! Message number: 943
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:00:20 EST
From: c40179@...
Subject: Re: File transers (ebay item)

>Has anyone tried a parallel port 5.25 
>floppy add-on? I see these on ebay periodically and wonder if they 
>could work on a grid.

like this one? ..
- - - - - - -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3460067086
Gridcase Plus model with Gridcase 3 plasma screen. 
8086 processor, 4.77 MHz, 640K RAM, 20 MB internal hard drive, 
external 5 1/4" FD, 
2400 bps modem
16V AC power adapter does not work. 
does not boot up. For parts only
photocopied Owner's Manual
- - - - - - -
(i`m aSSuming that`s the 5 1/4 drive and not the modem.)

I also have a 5 1/4 grid drive that plugs into the gpib port ..but it`s in 
storage somewhere i think

chris
c40179@...

(or buried under piles of %^&$% in here)

(just bought it cause it made a cooL humming sound : )

Yahoo! Message number: 944
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 0:21:17 -0500
From:
Subject: ebay nut 1550sx

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

 while on the ebay topic.. this guys on crack! check this auction for a 1550sx..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2788081563&category=3751

robert
ke4mcl

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 945
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:13:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] The GRiD - forum for ex-GRiD Employees

Ric,
You are the man!  We have been wanted to find ex-Grid
employees because we have so many questions.
Most of them have to do with the BIOS and editing the
BIOS so more hard drives can be supported.
There is a program for the 1530, but the 1550 and
older 1520's are a mystery.
I have several 1520's.  I have dumped the BIOS chips
and found the text string where the three specific
Conner drives are listed.  However, I haven't find
where the CHS information (drive geometry) is located.
This is just one question that I have.
Thanks a lot for the ex-Grid employee site.
-Shawn

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> 
> http://www.mumbo.org
> 
> It's nice to meet others with a similar passion for
> this innovative 
> computer.
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Yahoo! Message number: 946
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:29:33 EST
From: c40179@...
Subject: Re: this guys on crack (auction for a 1550sx)

>while on the ebay topic.. this guys on crack! check this auction for a 
1550sx..
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2788081563&category=3751

yeah y`know as soon as i saw the line i didn`t even have to click the link 
...he does that with all the stuff he has.
it`s been comin down though .. Used to be $300sumthin

like thiS ..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=3078312230

chris
c40179@...

(and everything ends in 7's?)

Yahoo! Message number: 947
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:57:14 -0800
From: lgwalker@...
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: File transers (ebay item)

 I have both an external 5.25 and 3.5 they are both black, including another
5.25 for a Gridcase. What is shown here must be a modem.

Lawrence 

On 18 Feb 2004 at 0:00, c40179@... wrote:

> 
> >Has anyone tried a parallel port 5.25 
> >floppy add-on? I see these on ebay periodically and wonder if they 
> >could work on a grid.
> 
> like this one? ..
> - - - - - - -
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3460067086
> Gridcase Plus model with Gridcase 3 plasma screen. 
> 8086 processor, 4.77 MHz, 640K RAM, 20 MB internal hard drive, 
> external 5 1/4" FD, 
> 2400 bps modem
> 16V AC power adapter does not work. 
> does not boot up. For parts only
> photocopied Owner's Manual
> - - - - - - -
> (i`m aSSuming that`s the 5 1/4 drive and not the modem.)
> 
> I also have a 5 1/4 grid drive that plugs into the gpib port ..but it`s in 
> storage somewhere i think
> 
> chris
> c40179@...
> 
> (or buried under piles of %^&$% in here)
> 
> (just bought it cause it made a cooL humming sound : )
> 
> 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/ 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Yahoo! Message number: 948
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:18:49 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: File transers (ebay item)
text/plain; charset=us-ascii

It just says its an external 5.25 drive, it could very well be made for another
computer and just happens to work with the grid.

I enlarged the picture and it don't look like any modem I ever saw before, front
looks more like a drive to me.

lgwalker@... wrote:

>  I have both an external 5.25 and 3.5 they are both black, including another
> 5.25 for a Gridcase. What is shown here must be a modem.
>
> Lawrence
>
> On 18 Feb 2004 at 0:00, c40179@... wrote:
>
> >
> > >Has anyone tried a parallel port 5.25
> > >floppy add-on? I see these on ebay periodically and wonder if they
> > >could work on a grid.
> >
> > like this one? ..
> > - - - - - - -
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3460067086
> > Gridcase Plus model with Gridcase 3 plasma screen.
> > 8086 processor, 4.77 MHz, 640K RAM, 20 MB internal hard drive,
> > external 5 1/4" FD,
> > 2400 bps modem
> > 16V AC power adapter does not work.
> > does not boot up. For parts only
> > photocopied Owner's Manual
> > - - - - - - -
> > (i`m aSSuming that`s the 5 1/4 drive and not the modem.)
> >
> > I also have a 5 1/4 grid drive that plugs into the gpib port ..but it`s in
> > storage somewhere i think
> >
> > chris
> > c40179@...
> >
> > (or buried under piles of %^&$% in here)
> >
> > (just bought it cause it made a cooL humming sound : )
> >
> >
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
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>
>
>
>

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Yahoo! Message number: 949
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:31:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: this guys on crack (auction for a 1550sx)

Notice also the number of bids.

Zero         nata            zip 


--- c40179@... wrote:

---------------------------------
>while on the ebay topic.. this guys on crack! check
this auction for a 
1550sx..
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2788081563&category=3751

yeah y`know as soon as i saw the line i didn`t even
have to click the link 
...he does that with all the stuff he has.
it`s been comin down though .. Used to be $300sumthin

like thiS ..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=3078312230

chris
c40179@...

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Yahoo! Message number: 950
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:29:54 -0000
From: "monska2000"
Subject: 1520 CMOS Battery Location

I have removed the cover of my 1520 but cannot locate the battery.  
Could some one let me know what the battery looks like and where 
exactly it is located.  The floppy drive is the most obvious item I 
can identify and it takes up most of the space.

Yahoo! Message number: 951
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 06:51:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 CMOS Battery Location

The finishing rim around the keyboard is removable. 
it's a snap-on.  If you pull up on it between the
display hinges it will sort of peel off. 

You will find the RAM sticks between the uper edge of
the keyboard and the floppy/HD brackets. 

>>>and<<<

Between the floppy and the ram sticks there should be
a lithium battery (one of those round pink ones) 

If there is no lithium battery installed you likely
have a Dallas chip that has the battery imbeded.

--- monska2000 <lmonczka@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
I have removed the cover of my 1520 but cannot locate
the battery.  
Could some one let me know what the battery looks like
and where 
exactly it is located.  The floppy drive is the most
obvious item I 
can identify and it takes up most of the space.



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Yahoo! Message number: 952
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:33:27 -0800
From: lgwalker@...
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1520 CMOS Battery Location

 And the Dallas RTC is under the keyboard.
Sure wish my 1520's had the Vargas battery.

Lawrence

On 20 Feb 2004 at 6:51, Charles Ford wrote:

> The finishing rim around the keyboard is removable. 
> it's a snap-on.  If you pull up on it between the
> display hinges it will sort of peel off. 
> 
> You will find the RAM sticks between the uper edge of
> the keyboard and the floppy/HD brackets. 
> 
> >>>and<<<
> 
> Between the floppy and the ram sticks there should be
> a lithium battery (one of those round pink ones) 
> 
> If there is no lithium battery installed you likely
> have a Dallas chip that has the battery imbeded.
> 
> --- monska2000 <lmonczka@...> wrote:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> I have removed the cover of my 1520 but cannot locate
> the battery.  
> Could some one let me know what the battery looks like
> and where 
> exactly it is located.  The floppy drive is the most
> obvious item I 
> can identify and it takes up most of the space.
> 
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 953
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:15:47 -0000
From: "frankiebertone"
Subject: re: file transfers

I guess I could have been clearer on my original post. I just need 
someone with both 3.5 and 5.25 floppy drives hooked up to any DOS 
machine (or anything that can transfer dos files) in actuality to do 
an actual file transfer. I'm not so much interested in buying an 
external 5.25, but I will if I have to. When I get a chance to go 
through the windows 286 manual I'll post some specs and what's 
included in the package. I think it's all ANSI based graphics with 
the usual text editor/spreadsheet stuff inclusive packages from that 
era contained. More details to come.

frankie bertone

Yahoo! Message number: 954
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:37:28 -0500
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] re: file transfers

Why not go to the local computer store or swap meet or flea market, look
for a 5.25 drive and stick it in your clone, and then do the copying
that needs to be done, you should be able to get one for a couple bucks
at the most.

frankiebertone wrote:

> I guess I could have been clearer on my original post. I just need
> someone with both 3.5 and 5.25 floppy drives hooked up to any DOS
> machine (or anything that can transfer dos files) in actuality to do
> an actual file transfer. I'm not so much interested in buying an
> external 5.25, but I will if I have to. When I get a chance to go
> through the windows 286 manual I'll post some specs and what's
> included in the package. I think it's all ANSI based graphics with
> the usual text editor/spreadsheet stuff inclusive packages from that
> era contained. More details to come.
>
> frankie bertone
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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and that's where you get crappy ideas from".

Yahoo! Message number: 955
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:54:43 -0000
From: "frankiebertone"
Subject: Re: file transfers

unfortunately my 1520 is my only X86 machine, I just moved to San 
Antonio and don't know where the meets are here... I'm looking 
though. 

Thanks,

Frankie Bertone

--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@s...> 
wrote:
> Why not go to the local computer store or swap meet or flea market, 
look
> for a 5.25 drive and stick it in your clone, and then do the copying
> that needs to be done, you should be able to get one for a couple 
bucks
> at the most.
> 
> frankiebertone wrote:
> 
> > I guess I could have been clearer on my original post. I just need
> > someone with both 3.5 and 5.25 floppy drives hooked up to any DOS
> > machine (or anything that can transfer dos files) in actuality to 
do
> > an actual file transfer. I'm not so much interested in buying an
> > external 5.25, but I will if I have to. When I get a chance to go
> > through the windows 286 manual I'll post some specs and what's
> > included in the package. I think it's all ANSI based graphics with
> > the usual text editor/spreadsheet stuff inclusive packages from 
that
> > era contained. More details to come.
> >
> > frankie bertone
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Thought for the day....
> 
> "Never hold your farts in, they travel up your spine, into your 
brain
> and that's where you get crappy ideas from".

Yahoo! Message number: 956
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:40:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Anybody see this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3468424058&category=177

Probably not true.  More likely, somebody used it for
target practice.
-Shawn

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Yahoo! Message number: 957
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 00:43:54 EST
From: c40179@...
Subject: Re: Anybody see this...

That woulda been hiLArious if all the Other stuff he had was Shot Too : ) lol

chris
c40179 @ aol .com

Yahoo! Message number: 958
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:42:04 -0000
From: "dodgeflathead"
Subject: spoc Program errors

Hello,

I'm trying to get the spoc.zip program to run on my 1520. After the 
screen loads, I enter all the time/gmt info needed, it crashes with 
this error:

***RUN-TIME I/O EXCEPTION 9107H
***NEAR LOCATION 62FCH:0488H
***JOB ABORTED

What is this program doing? It's a pretty cool program, until it 
crashes.

A clock is in the corner of the screen, (right below where it says 
Gridcase 1520 on the case) That says:

MET 13/00:07:20 The clock runs. I can't even exit the program 
CTRL+ALT+DEL takes care of that problem.

Let me know if this is a workable program! This would be cool to 
enter into a computer show that is coming up!

Dane

Yahoo! Message number: 959
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:24:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] spoc Program errors

Dane,
I have no clue.  Sorry.
-Shawn

--- dodgeflathead <commercialtruckguy@...>
wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm trying to get the spoc.zip program to run on my
> 1520. After the 
> screen loads, I enter all the time/gmt info needed,
> it crashes with 
> this error:
> 
> ***RUN-TIME I/O EXCEPTION 9107H
> ***NEAR LOCATION 62FCH:0488H
> ***JOB ABORTED
> 
> What is this program doing? It's a pretty cool
> program, until it 
> crashes.
> 
> A clock is in the corner of the screen, (right below
> where it says 
> Gridcase 1520 on the case) That says:
> 
> MET 13/00:07:20 The clock runs. I can't even exit
> the program 
> CTRL+ALT+DEL takes care of that problem.
> 
> Let me know if this is a workable program! This
> would be cool to 
> enter into a computer show that is coming up!
> 
> Dane
> 
> 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/ 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 960
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:26:28 -0000
From: "csgundam21"
Subject: Who owns the rights to GRiD?

Both GSCS and GRiD U.K. claim to have the rights, but who really has 
the rights?  Do either of them even have the rights at all?

Yahoo! Message number: 961
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:05:22 -0800
From: jim
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Who owns the rights to GRiD?

csgundam21 wrote:

>  Both GSCS and GRiD U.K. claim to have the rights, but who really has
> the rights?  Do either of them even have the rights at all?
>
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
>

I thought that Tandy bought Grid, then Tandy was eaten and destroied by
AST and later
Samsung.

Did the rights devolve to these entities from there, or would they still
be with
the estate of AST or Samsungs attempt at PC selling on top of AST then?

There sure was a lot of Grid stuff scrapped here in the Los Angeles area
along with
AST's downscaling.

Jim

Yahoo! Message number: 962
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:32:20 -0000
From: "dodgeflathead"
Subject: Re: Who owns the rights to GRiD?

If you get onto radio shacks site, the old software download archive 
has some grid programs listed.

http://support.radioshack.com//grid.htm


The manuals part of the site lists Tandy/AST manuals also.

http://www.radioshack.com/ProdSupport/ProductSupportDrillDown.asp?
OID=RSSupport-Computers

Dane


--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, jim <jwstephens@m...> wrote:
> 
> 
> csgundam21 wrote:
> 
> >  Both GSCS and GRiD U.K. claim to have the rights, but who 
really has
> > the rights?  Do either of them even have the rights at all?
> >
> >
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> >
> 
> I thought that Tandy bought Grid, then Tandy was eaten and 
destroied by
> AST and later
> Samsung.
> 
> Did the rights devolve to these entities from there, or would they 
still
> be with
> the estate of AST or Samsungs attempt at PC selling on top of AST 
then?
> 
> There sure was a lot of Grid stuff scrapped here in the Los 
Angeles area
> along with
> AST's downscaling.
> 
> Jim

Yahoo! Message number: 963
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:47:47 +0100
From: "Sayers, Bob (Environmental Services)"
Subject: RE: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Who owns the rights to GRiD?
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

One aspect that it would be interesting to know is what happened to the
rights to the clamshell
laptop design. For many years, GRiD held rights to this, and other
manufacturers paid them a
royalty.
 
 
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: dodgeflathead [mailto:commercialtruckguy@...]
Sent: 01 April 2004 04:32
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Who owns the rights to GRiD?


If you get onto radio shacks site, the old software download archive 
has some grid programs listed.

http://support.radioshack.com//grid.htm
<http://support.radioshack.com//grid.htm> 


The manuals part of the site lists Tandy/AST manuals also.

http://www.radioshack.com/ProdSupport/ProductSupportDrillDown.asp?
<http://www.radioshack.com/ProdSupport/ProductSupportDrillDown.asp?> 
OID=RSSupport-Computers

Dane


--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, jim <jwstephens@m...> wrote:
> 
> 
> csgundam21 wrote:
> 
> >  Both GSCS and GRiD U.K. claim to have the rights, but who 
really has
> > the rights?  Do either of them even have the rights at all?
> >
> >
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/> 
> >
> 
> I thought that Tandy bought Grid, then Tandy was eaten and 
destroied by
> AST and later
> Samsung.
> 
> Did the rights devolve to these entities from there, or would they 
still
> be with
> the estate of AST or Samsungs attempt at PC selling on top of AST 
then?
> 
> There sure was a lot of Grid stuff scrapped here in the Los 
Angeles area
> along with
> AST's downscaling.
> 
> Jim



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Yahoo! Message number: 964
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:41:05 -0000
From: "csgundam21"
Subject: Re: 1535EXP and Compass 1101 problems

I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to trade my Compass.  They're hard 
enough to find especially in this good physical (and semi-working) 
condition.  And when you finally do find one, they cost an arm and a 
leg.  Trust me, I know.  ;-)

I might be interested in buying one of your 1535EXP's, but that 
depends on if your willing to sell one.  And even then it would 
depend how much your asking and if I have the money at the moment.  I 
have a 1530 hard drive (talking to someone about a backplane adapter 
for it), but I still need a 1535EXP's hard drive for the HD rack, so 
I can use my expansion trays (and the 1530 HD will wear out 
eventually).  If I end up not getting my EXP to boot, then I could 
buy one from you and use the one I have now for parts.

I still can't seem to get the 1535 to boot.  I completly removed the 
HD and rack, so now the floppy's light comes on and it makes that 
noise.  But it just keeps on saying "Extra Floppy Boot Error."  I 
also tried to use a GRiD MS-DOS 3.2 rom, and it says "A newer version 
of this software is required to run this machine.  Exactly what 
version of GRiD MS-DOS does the 1535EXP come with?

Also, about the Compass not having any RAM, I never thought about 
that.  I'll have to check.  I don't know why it wouldn't have any 
though.  Who knows...


--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> i have a few 1535exp units with the expansion tray. would be 
interested in swapping all my 1535exp stuff for your compass. i want 
one for my "cool grid" stuff collection even if it doesnt work.
> 
> robert
> 
> > 
> > From: "csgundam21" <CSGundam@a...>
> > Date: 2004/02/10 Tue PM 03:25:48 EST
> > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] 1535EXP and Compass 1101 problems
> > 
> >

Yahoo! Message number: 965
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:47:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: 1535EXP and Compass 1101 problems

IIRC

Compass has Intell 8086 8087 and 640K of ram
(standard)
At least the parts where all soldered into the
motherboard.  There is also the bubble drive (I think
it was about 700K)

As far as no RAM goes.  This is NOT an option.  The
Intell 8086 has only a hand full of buffers it cannot
run at all without ram   Even in all of the OS was ROM
based there is NO variable space (not even a stack)

Also...

The 1535EXP having lots of problems...  Get rid of the
EXP.  This is where the problems all begin. 


--- csgundam21 <CSGundam@...> wrote:

Also, about the Compass not having any RAM, I never
thought about that.  I'll have to check.  I don't know
why it wouldn't have any 
though.  Who knows...



=====
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KC5-OWZ
cjford1@...
cjford1@...

Yahoo! Message number: 966
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:40:40 -0000
From: "csgundam21"
Subject: Using SPOC via diskette

Is it possible to run the SPOC program from disk.  I have tried to 
run it on my GRiDCase 3 and it won't detect Gexec.run (which is one 
of a few things it won't detect).  Has anyone gotten it to work off 
of a floppy disk?  If so, how did you do it?  Thanks.  

Yahoo! Message number: 967
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:14:36 -0000
From: "giguchan"
Subject: Re: ebay nut 1550sx

 also i think he has pretty crappy feedback
 Gig
--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> 
>  while on the ebay topic.. this guys on crack! check this auction 
for a 1550sx..
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=2788081563&category=3751
> 
> robert
> ke4mcl

Yahoo! Message number: 968
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:23:06 -0000
From: "giguchan"
Subject: hello gang..

I'm new to grid's   well we used to have them at work  but that was 
long time ago...  what i am asking  is there are 2 grids  1550 SX'S  
on ebay   are theses really the prices they should be going for?  
also they are from the UK  any problems working here?  (voltage can 
be dealt with by a converter)  but am i missing anything else?    
just programming 2 way stuff..perhaps like most of us are
thanks..
 gig@...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=3475764086&category=3717&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%
3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=3475773737&category=177&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%
3AIT&rd=1

Yahoo! Message number: 969
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:33:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] hello gang..

Gig,
I would pass on these.  I'm pretty sure more than 1000
were made.  Asdie from that, I think it is about
double in price than what they're worth.
But, if you've "got to have it now" it may be worth it
to you.
Good luck,
-Shawn

--- giguchan <gig@...> wrote:
> I'm new to grid's   well we used to have them at
> work  but that was 
> long time ago...  what i am asking  is there are 2
> grids  1550 SX'S  
> on ebay   are theses really the prices they should
> be going for?  
> also they are from the UK  any problems working
> here?  (voltage can 
> be dealt with by a converter)  but am i missing
> anything else?    
> just programming 2 way stuff..perhaps like most of
> us are
> thanks..
>  gig@...
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>
ViewItem&item=3475764086&category=3717&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%
> 3AIT&rd=1
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>
ViewItem&item=3475773737&category=177&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%
> 3AIT&rd=1
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 970
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:11:40 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] hello gang..

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

for programming radios i would honestly recomend an itronix 486 machine. they are a little tricky to get things into but if you have a pcmcia hard drive they will boot off it. the itronix machines are ruggedized and rain resistant. they also run off 12v. i have a slew of grids and itronix machines. the grids are cool but the itronix 6000 machines are better suited for your apps IMHO.

robert
ke4mcl

> 
> From: "giguchan" <gig@...>
> Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 01:23:06 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] hello gang..
> 
> 

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 971
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:12:38 -0000
From: "giguchan"
Subject: Re: hello gang..

Shawn,
 I was thinking along the same lines too..  tad bit $$  you see  my 
tandy  went south and now my motorolas (used for hammin)are 
expensive paperweights  so i need to find something to start 
programming with  fast...not trying to justify the cost of the grids
(but they do look smart  don't they?) it's just that i need 
something quick....  there are 2 other LT'S for sale  one is a 
regular grid  and the other is another tandy...  i'm guessing that 
we are all here to program radios  other than that  i'm glad this 
GROUP is here... what do you think about these?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=3477175361&category=177&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%
3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=3477488347&category=177&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBBI%
3AIT&rd=1
  thanks again


--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, Shawnerz <shawnerz@y...> wrote:
> Gig,
> I would pass on these.  I'm pretty sure more than 1000
> were made.  Asdie from that, I think it is about
> double in price than what they're worth.
> But, if you've "got to have it now" it may be worth it
> to you.
> Good luck,
> -Shawn
> 
> --- giguchan <gig@i...> wrote:
> > I'm new to grid's   well we used to have them at
> > work  but that was 
> > long time ago...  what i am asking  is there are 2
> > grids  1550 SX'S  
> > on ebay   are theses really the prices they should
> > be going for?  
> > also they are from the UK  any problems working
> > here?  (voltage can 
> > be dealt with by a converter)  but am i missing
> > anything else?    
> > just programming 2 way stuff..perhaps like most of
> > us are
> > thanks..
> >  gig@i...
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> >
> ViewItem&item=3475764086&category=3717&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%
> > 3AIT&rd=1
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> >
> ViewItem&item=3475773737&category=177&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%
> > 3AIT&rd=1
> > 
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Yahoo! Message number: 972
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:18:27 -0000
From: "giguchan"
Subject: Re: hello gang..

 I  was told that a 486 was too fast for programming  that a 386 or 
slower would be the ticket   my tandy 3800HD stopped  working  gives 
me the hard disk failure  error...  was told thats that!  i have old 
RSS   thats needs something slow....  check my message to shawn and 
see the other 2 LT'S that i might bid on..
 gig    thanks..  
  I think my tandy  was 
--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> for programming radios i would honestly recomend an itronix 486 
machine. they are a little tricky to get things into but if you have 
a pcmcia hard drive they will boot off it. the itronix machines are 
ruggedized and rain resistant. they also run off 12v. i have a slew 
of grids and itronix machines. the grids are cool but the itronix 
6000 machines are better suited for your apps IMHO.
> 
> robert
> ke4mcl
> 
> > 
> > From: "giguchan" <gig@i...>
> > Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 01:23:06 EDT
> > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] hello gang..
> > 
> >

Yahoo! Message number: 973
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:27:16 -0400
From: "Len G. Carpenter"
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: ebay nut 1550sx

Notice that no one has bid on any of his crap?


giguchan wrote:

>  also i think he has pretty crappy feedback
>  Gig
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> >
> >  while on the ebay topic.. this guys on crack! check this auction
> for a 1550sx..
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=2788081563&category=3751
> >
> > robert
> > ke4mcl
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Thought for the day....

"Never hold your farts in, they travel up your spine, into your brain
and that's where you get crappy ideas from".

Yahoo! Message number: 974
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:47:30 -0000
From: "giguchan"
Subject: Re: ebay nut 1550sx

 well the guy from the Uk just sold one...  prob to one of his 
buddies...  kinda funny....  all newbies   oh well.. In RuGRiD-
Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@s...> wrote:
> Notice that no one has bid on any of his crap?
> 
> 
> giguchan wrote:
> 
> >  also i think he has pretty crappy feedback
> >  Gig
> > --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> > >
> > >  while on the ebay topic.. this guys on crack! check this 
auction
> > for a 1550sx..
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > ViewItem&item=2788081563&category=3751
> > >
> > > robert
> > > ke4mcl
> >
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Thought for the day....
> 
> "Never hold your farts in, they travel up your spine, into your 
brain
> and that's where you get crappy ideas from".

Yahoo! Message number: 975
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:07:26 -0000
From: "giguchan"
Subject: Re: ebay nut 1550sx

and i bought the other one....  overpriced?  yes prob....
I hope it works as well  as he says...
wish me luck...
--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "giguchan" <gig@i...> wrote:
>  well the guy from the Uk just sold one...  prob to one of his 
> buddies...  kinda funny....  all newbies   oh well.. In RuGRiD-
> Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "Len G. Carpenter" <Len.C@s...> wrote:
> > Notice that no one has bid on any of his crap?
> > 
> > 
> > giguchan wrote:
> > 
> > >  also i think he has pretty crappy feedback
> > >  Gig
> > > --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  while on the ebay topic.. this guys on crack! check this 
> auction
> > > for a 1550sx..
> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> > > ViewItem&item=2788081563&category=3751
> > > >
> > > > robert
> > > > ke4mcl
> > >
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rugrid-laptop/
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > --
> > Thought for the day....
> > 
> > "Never hold your farts in, they travel up your spine, into your 
> brain
> > and that's where you get crappy ideas from".

Yahoo! Message number: 976
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:08:06 -0400
From:
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..

This is part 1 of a multi-part message.

you can get itronix 486/33 machines on ebay for about $20. they work great for that. if needed you can run MoSlow.

robert

> 
> From: "giguchan" <gig@...>
> Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 03:18:27 EDT
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..
> 
> 

This is part 2 of a multi-part message.

Yahoo! Message number: 977
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:28:27 -0400
From: Gig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..
text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

   thanks   but i already got the grid... thanks anyhow.. splitting the 
cost  with a buddy...
   but thanks so muchAt 05:08 PM 4/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>you can get itronix 486/33 machines on ebay for about $20. they work great 
>for that. if needed you can run MoSlow.
>
>robert
>
> >
> > From: "giguchan" <gig@...>
> > Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 03:18:27 EDT
> > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..
> >
> >
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>I  was told that a 486 was too fast for programming  that a 386 or
>slower would be the ticket   my tandy 3800HD stopped  working  gives
>me the hard disk failure  error...  was told thats that!  i have old
>RSS   thats needs something slow....  check my message to shawn and
>see the other 2 LT'S that i might bid on..
>gig    thanks..
>   I think my tandy  was
>--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> > for programming radios i would honestly recomend an itronix 486
>machine. they are a little tricky to get things into but if you have
>a pcmcia hard drive they will boot off it. the itronix machines are
>ruggedized and rain resistant. they also run off 12v. i have a slew
>of grids and itronix machines. the grids are cool but the itronix
>6000 machines are better suited for your apps IMHO.
> >
> > robert
> > ke4mcl
> >
> > >
> > > From: "giguchan" <gig@i...>
> > > Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 01:23:06 EDT
> > > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] hello gang..
> > >
> > >
>
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Cheers Gig

Yahoo! Message number: 978
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:15:07 -0000
From: "androgenoide"
Subject: Re: hello gang..

I think almost anything can be programmed by a high speed pentium as 
long as it's running moslow in dos mode (not a window).  That said, 
if you're going to dedicate a mchine to doing programming/upgrades 
it's silly to buy anything more expensive than the 8Mhz/286 it was 
designed for...Now I don't mind being silly and if I find something 
NEAT I'll make it work one way or another.  The 1550SX appealed to me 
and I bought it for just that purpose.   Mind you I had to choose 
both the slower clock AND the slower bus speed to make it work on one 
piece of equipment, but it did work without using moslow.

Those XC6000's that are selling on ebay these days for around $25 are 
kinda neat and all the files you need to make them work are available 
in the files section of the yahoo groups...  When I discovered that 
mine had a pcmcia hard drive I'm afraid I removed it to use for 
transferring stuff between my xc6250's...I made it a dos-bootable 
drive and put in all the windows set up files and xc drivers and had 
room left over for some app's!



James









--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "giguchan" <gig@i...> wrote:
>  I  was told that a 486 was too fast for programming  that a 386 or 
> slower would be the ticket   my tandy 3800HD stopped  working  
gives 
> me the hard disk failure  error...  was told thats that!  i have 
old 
> RSS   thats needs something slow....  check my message to shawn and 
> see the other 2 LT'S that i might bid on..
>  gig    thanks..  
>   I think my tandy  was 
> --- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, <dcat4955@b...> wrote:
> > for programming radios i would honestly recomend an itronix 486 
> machine. they are a little tricky to get things into but if you 
have 
> a pcmcia hard drive they will boot off it. the itronix machines are 
> ruggedized and rain resistant. they also run off 12v. i have a slew 
> of grids and itronix machines. the grids are cool but the itronix 
> 6000 machines are better suited for your apps IMHO.
> > 
> > robert
> > ke4mcl
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: "giguchan" <gig@i...>
> > > Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 01:23:06 EDT
> > > To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] hello gang..
> > > 
> > >

Yahoo! Message number: 979
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:25:43 -0000
From: "giguchan"
Subject: Re: hello gang..

Hello,
  and thanks for replying.... Well yes  i bought the  1550SX  kinda 
for the same reason- it did  appeal  to me  it was a different kind 
of LT  and now that i made the guy who USED to own it a rich man by 
paying  way more than i should have  I guess when it gets her from 
the UK..(yes i was kinda scared)  I can get back to programming..  
yes you are right it's a slow computer  and thats what my sabers and 
the like -like....I already sold my maxtrac's  and i'm waiting for 
my cdm's  to arrive.... but they will be programmed on a different 
LT..I tried to use a 486  and nothing worked!!  i was told slow was 
the way to go....  so thats what i did  I have heard of MO SLOW...  
but never tried it.....Like i said  i was a bit worried about the 
voltage  (uk)  but i was assured that  there was a place  to plug 
in   good old  USA power..
 wish me luck
 gig@...

Yahoo! Message number: 980
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 03:31:06 -0000
From: "androgenoide"
Subject: Re: hello gang..

The craziest thing I did with my 1550sx was to run that Arachne 
browser and take it for a spin on the information superhighway.   
Browsing the web on a 20Mhz DOS machine gives a whole new meaning to 
the word SLOW.   Snails on qualuudes move faster than that.








--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "giguchan" <gig@i...> wrote:
> Hello,
>   and thanks for replying.... Well yes  i bought the  1550SX  kinda 
> for the same reason- it did  appeal  to me  it was a different kind 
> of LT  and now that i made the guy who USED to own it a rich man by 
> paying  way more than i should have  I guess when it gets her from 
> the UK..(yes i was kinda scared)  I can get back to programming..  
> yes you are right it's a slow computer  and thats what my sabers 
and 
> the like -like....I already sold my maxtrac's  and i'm waiting for 
> my cdm's  to arrive.... but they will be programmed on a different 
> LT..I tried to use a 486  and nothing worked!!  i was told slow was 
> the way to go....  so thats what i did  I have heard of MO SLOW...  
> but never tried it.....Like i said  i was a bit worried about the 
> voltage  (uk)  but i was assured that  there was a place  to plug 
> in   good old  USA power..
>  wish me luck
>  gig@i...

Yahoo! Message number: 981
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 03:13:08 -0400
From: Gig
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..
text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

ha ha,
funny...  well like i said i need slow  and i guess that what's i got!!
if i have any problem with what i bought  you  guys on the board will know 
first
Gig
At 03:31 AM 4/30/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>The craziest thing I did with my 1550sx was to run that Arachne
>browser and take it for a spin on the information superhighway.
>Browsing the web on a 20Mhz DOS machine gives a whole new meaning to
>the word SLOW.   Snails on qualuudes move faster than that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "giguchan" <gig@i...> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >   and thanks for replying.... Well yes  i bought the  1550SX  kinda
> > for the same reason- it did  appeal  to me  it was a different kind
> > of LT  and now that i made the guy who USED to own it a rich man by
> > paying  way more than i should have  I guess when it gets her from
> > the UK..(yes i was kinda scared)  I can get back to programming..
> > yes you are right it's a slow computer  and thats what my sabers
>and
> > the like -like....I already sold my maxtrac's  and i'm waiting for
> > my cdm's  to arrive.... but they will be programmed on a different
> > LT..I tried to use a 486  and nothing worked!!  i was told slow was
> > the way to go....  so thats what i did  I have heard of MO SLOW...
> > but never tried it.....Like i said  i was a bit worried about the
> > voltage  (uk)  but i was assured that  there was a place  to plug
> > in   good old  USA power..
> >  wish me luck
> >  gig@i...
>
>
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Yahoo! Message number: 982
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 15:21:40 EDT
From: c40179@...
Subject: Re: Browsing the web on a 20Mhz DOS machine

Dunno about dos but i remember the windows machine was ...

click . . .  . . coffee . . . .. click..click . . .  ...shower . . . . . .
     ..click    click..   . . ..lawn       ......click click click   nap

chris
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Yahoo! Message number: 983
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 06:33:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..

I don't seem to have that problem with my 1530.

I use the ethernet adapter and attach directly into my home network.
Surfs almost as fast as the P3 on my desk.



--- Gig <gig@...> wrote:
> ha ha,
> funny...  well like i said i need slow  and i guess that what's i got!!
> if i have any problem with what i bought  you  guys on the board will
> know 
> first
> Gig
> At 03:31 AM 4/30/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> >The craziest thing I did with my 1550sx was to run that Arachne
> >browser and take it for a spin on the information superhighway.
> >Browsing the web on a 20Mhz DOS machine gives a whole new meaning to
> >the word SLOW.   Snails on qualuudes move faster than that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "giguchan" <gig@i...> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >   and thanks for replying.... Well yes  i bought the  1550SX  kinda
> > > for the same reason- it did  appeal  to me  it was a different kind
> > > of LT  and now that i made the guy who USED to own it a rich man by
> > > paying  way more than i should have  I guess when it gets her from
> > > the UK..(yes i was kinda scared)  I can get back to programming..
> > > yes you are right it's a slow computer  and thats what my sabers
> >and
> > > the like -like....I already sold my maxtrac's  and i'm waiting for
> > > my cdm's  to arrive.... but they will be programmed on a different
> > > LT..I tried to use a 486  and nothing worked!!  i was told slow was
> > > the way to go....  so thats what i did  I have heard of MO SLOW...
> > > but never tried it.....Like i said  i was a bit worried about the
> > > voltage  (uk)  but i was assured that  there was a place  to plug
> > > in   good old  USA power..
> > >  wish me luck
> > >  gig@i...
> >
> >
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 984
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 06:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: Browsing the web on a 20Mhz DOS machine

Must be that 1200bps modem


--- c40179@... wrote:

---------------------------------
Dunno about dos but i remember the windows machine was ...

click . . .  . . coffee . . . .. click..click . . .  ...shower . . . . .
.
     ..click    click..   . . ..lawn       ......click click click   nap

chris
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Yahoo! Message number: 985
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:24:40 -0500
From: Shannon Leo Johnson
Subject: [OT] PS/2 CueCat to giveaway

Hello all,

I haven't posted in awhile, though I guess that's par for the course, 
me being a lurker most of the time and all. Anyhow, I picked up one of 
the CueCat bar code scanners that Radio Shack gave out a few years ago. 
It is the PS/2 version, unmodified and never used, I wasn't comfortable 
with the spyware in it. I recently learned that the spyware can be 
disabled (directions on the web) but I do not have a PS/2 port on my 
current system, so I will give this PS/2 version to the first person 
willing to cover shipping via the USPS service of your choise. I'll be 
getting a modified USB version off eBay. I couldn't sell an unmodified 
CueCat on eBay for any amount to be worth it to me to list it there. 
Once it is modified it will work as a simple barcode reader, no 
encryption. Apparently no divers will be needed once the encryption is 
defeated; the encryption worked with the driver/program as spyware.

If it matters to anyone, my eBay ID is sljohnson and I have a feedback 
rating of 221 with no negative feedback.

Contact me off list if you are interested.

Excelsior!
Shannon

Yahoo! Message number: 986
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:24:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Dane Bruce
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] [OT] PS/2 CueCat to giveaway

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Yahoo! Message number: 987
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:27:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Dane Bruce
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..

any ethernet adapters exist for a 1520?

 

Dane


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Ford
Sent: May 3, 2004 6:33 AM
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..

I don't seem to have that problem with my 1530.

I use the ethernet adapter and attach directly into my home network.
Surfs almost as fast as the P3 on my desk.



--- Gig wrote:
> ha ha,
> funny...  well like i said i need slow  and i guess that what's i got!!
> if i have any problem with what i bought  you  guys on the board will
> know
> first
> Gig
> At 03:31 AM 4/30/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> >The craziest thing I did with my 1550sx was to run that Arachne
> >browser and take it for a spin on the information superhighway.
> >Browsing the web on a 20Mhz DOS machine gives a whole new meaning to
> >the word SLOW.   Snails on qualuudes move faster than that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "giguchan" wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >   and thanks for replying.... Well yes  i bought the  1550SX  kinda
> > > for the same reason- it did  appeal  to me  it was a different kind
> > > of LT  and now that i made the guy who USED to own it a rich man by
> > > paying  way more than i should have  I guess when it gets her from
> > > the UK..(yes i was kinda scared)  I can get back to programming..
> > > yes you are right it's a slow computer  and thats what my sabers
> >and
> > > the like -like....I already sold my maxtrac's  and i'm waiting for
> > > my cdm's  to arrive.... but they will be programmed on a different
> > > LT..I tried to use a 486  and nothing worked!!  i was told slow was
> > > the way to go....  so thats what i did  I have heard of MO SLOW...
> > > but never tried it.....Like i said  i was a bit worried about the
> > > voltage  (uk)  but i was assured that  there was a place  to plug
> > > in   good old  USA power..
> > >  wish me luck
> > >  gig@i...
> >
> >
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 988
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 22:48:36 -0500
From: Shannon Leo Johnson
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] [OT] PS/2 CueCat to giveaway
text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed

Hello Dane,

I've opted for a modified USB CueCat from eBay, should be arriving in a
day or two. Currently I'm auditioning Video and book cataloging 
software. Other then my Grid 1520, I'm solidly Mac, so a PS/2 device is
of little use to me. I have found a home for the PS/2 kitty though.

Unfortunatly my clock battery died on the 1520 last summer, so I have
some minor surgery to get around to one of these days. I'll be studying
the archives when it comes time to do the tinkering . . . I miss
playing Alley Cat and Spider Man on that red plasma. On a positive note
I came into some GRiD computer bags, so it may not be working but it
looks stylish in it matching bag. I'll let the list know when the extra
cases are put on eBay.

Excelsior!
Shannon

On May 5, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Dane Bruce wrote:

> a program exists called catnip that I believe disables all the junk in
> it, and unencrypts the output, without having to hack the hardware.
> The spyware won't really matter anymore, as the company tanked (just
> don't install the cuecat software on the disk that came with it)
>  
> Dane
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shannon Leo Johnson
> Sent: May 3, 2004 7:24 PM
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] [OT] PS/2 CueCat to giveaway
>
> Hello all,
>
> I haven't posted in awhile, though I guess that's par for the course,
> me being a lurker most of the time and all. Anyhow, I picked up one of
> the CueCat bar code scanners that Radio Shack gave out a few years ago.
> It is the PS/2 version, unmodified and never used, I wasn't comfortable
>  with the spyware in it. I recently learned that the spyware can be
> disabled (directions on the web) but I do not have a PS/2 port on my
> current system, so I will give this PS/2 version to the first person
> willing to cover shipping via the USPS service of your choise. I'll be
> getting a modified USB version off eBay. I couldn't sell an unmodified
> CueCat on eBay for any amount to be worth it to me to list i!  t there.
> Once it is modified it will work as a simple barcode reader, no
> encryption. Apparently no divers will be needed once the encryption is
> defeated; the encryption worked with the driver/program as spyware.
>
> If it matters to anyone, my eBay ID is sljohnson and I have a feedback
> rating of 221 with no negative feedback.
>
> Contact me off list if you are interested.
>
> Excelsior!
> Shannon
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Yahoo! Message number: 989
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 00:57:16 EDT
From: c40179@...
Subject: Everybody`s seen the grid modules on eebay right?

GRID SCSI Interface Cartridge  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3478754200

Grid Dual RS232 Interface Expansion Cartridge 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3478748984

Grid 3.5" 1.44 BYTE High Density Disk Drive  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4128948170

GRID Honeywell Miniature Fiberoptic Modems - PAIR 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3094778757

I think a GPIB interface module just went by with no bids the other day from 
the same guy.

and..

GRID EXTERNAL RAPID BATTERY CHARGER W/ 2 BATTERIES 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3477942201
 
 2 QTY GRID SYSTEMS EXTERNAL FLOPPY 3401  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4128873185


chris
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Yahoo! Message number: 990
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 06:08:24 -0000
From: "giguchan"
Subject: gridcase 1550sx do they have an internal 3.5 floppy?

Hello all,
I have a question...   does this LT come with a floppy?  the 
previous post  has me thinking  that if they sell external drives  
then there is  a chance  that the one i won on ebay  won't have one 
thus making it kinda  useless for me..well not useless but enough to 
make sure i ask ALL questions BEFORE i win the bid...seems kinda odd 
to ask if a LT actually comes with a  floppy drive  i forgot how old 
this thing is!
  and YES i did email the seller  asking him this 
question....awaiting reply..
 thanks  gig

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Yahoo! Message number: 991
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 13:07:07 -0000
From: "giguchan"
Subject: Re: gridcase 1550sx do they have an internal 3.5 floppy?

 NEVERMIND....  i found out...  thanks to all who replied!!
 Gig
--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "giguchan" <gig@i...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I have a question...   does this LT come with a floppy?  the 
> previous post  has me thinking  that if they sell external drives  
> then there is  a chance  that the one i won on ebay  won't have 
one 
> thus making it kinda  useless for me..well not useless but enough 
to 
> make sure i ask ALL questions BEFORE i win the bid...seems kinda 
odd 
> to ask if a LT actually comes with a  floppy drive  i forgot how 
old 
> this thing is!
>   and YES i did email the seller  asking him this 
> question....awaiting reply..
>  thanks  gig

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Yahoo! Message number: 992
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 06:53:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] [OT] PS/2 CueCat to giveaway

Good luck getting anyone to bite.  

This scanner will read UPC-A UPC-E CODE 39 and CODE128 (used in cupons)

It will not read CODE 93, EAN-8, EAN-13, I-2 of 5, Cpdabar, MSI-Plessey
Code 11, or RSS.   IT will not read codes with an X dimention less then
10 mil 
          AND

IT is a WAND :-(  The most dificult type of scanner to use. 


My recomendation...  It won't take up much space in your trash can.

--- Dane Bruce <commercialtruckguy@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
a program exists called catnip that I believe disables all the junk in
it, and unencrypts the output, without having to hack the hardware. The
spyware won't really matter anymore, as the company tanked (just don't
install the cuecat software on the disk that came with it)
 
Dane


-----Original Message----- 
From: Shannon Leo Johnson 
Sent: May 3, 2004 7:24 PM 
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [RuGRiD-Laptop] [OT] PS/2 CueCat to giveaway 

Hello all,

I haven't posted in awhile, though I guess that's par for the course, 
me being a lurker most of the time and all. Anyhow, I picked up one of 
the CueCat bar code scanners that Radio Shack gave out a few years ago. 
It is the PS/2 version, unmodified and never used, I wasn't comfortable 
with the spyware in it. I recently learned that the spyware can be 
disabled (directions on the web) but I do not have a PS/2 port on my 
current system, so I will give this PS/2 version to the first person 
willing to cover shipping via the USPS service of your choise. I'll be 
getting a modified USB version off eBay. I couldn't sell an unmodified 
CueCat on eBay for any amount to be worth it to me to list it there. 
Once it is modified it will work as a simple barcode reader, no 
encryption. Apparently no divers will be needed once the encryption is 
defeated; the encryption worked with the driver/program as spyware.

If it matters to anyone, my eBay ID is sljohnson and I have a feedback 
rating of 221 with no negative feedback.

Contact me off list if you are interested.

Excelsior!
Shannon



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Yahoo! Message number: 993
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 07:21:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Ford
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..

Yes...  There are two ways to go.

There is a module for the pod bay (open the pod bay door Hal)

Or you can get one of those parallel port (pocket ether net) adapters.


In any case you will likely need NDIS for your home network which is nto
supported by WIN 3.10 (386 enhanced required)

There may be a DOS level NDIS layer ???  Any help from the 1520 gang?
 

--- Dane Bruce <commercialtruckguy@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
any ethernet adapters exist for a 1520?
 
Dane


-----Original Message----- 
From: Charles Ford 
Sent: May 3, 2004 6:33 AM 
To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang.. 

I don't seem to have that problem with my 1530.

I use the ethernet adapter and attach directly into my home network.
Surfs almost as fast as the P3 on my desk.



--- Gig <gig@...> wrote:
> ha ha,
> funny...  well like i said i need slow  and i guess that what's i got!!
> if i have any problem with what i bought  you  guys on the board will
> know 
> first
> Gig
> At 03:31 AM 4/30/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> >The craziest thing I did with my 1550sx was to run that Arachne
> >browser and take it for a spin on the information superhighway.
> >Browsing the web on a 20Mhz DOS machine gives a whole new meaning to
> >the word SLOW.   Snails on qualuudes move faster than that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "giguchan" <gig@i...> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >   and thanks for replying.... Well yes  i bought the  1550SX  kinda
> > > for the same reason- it did  appeal  to me  it was a different kind
> > > of LT  and now that i made the guy who USED to own it a rich man by
> > > paying  way more than i should have  I guess when it gets her from
> > > the UK..(yes i was kinda scared)  I can get back to programming..
> > > yes you are right it's a slow computer  and thats what my sabers
> >and
> > > the like -like....I already sold my maxtrac's  and i'm waiting for
> > > my cdm's  to arrive.... but they will be programmed on a different>
> > LT..I tried to use a 486  and nothing worked!!  i was told slow was
> > > the way to go....  so thats what i did  I have heard of MO SLOW...
> > > but never tried it.....Like i said  i was a bit worried about the
> > > voltage  (uk)  but i was assured that  there was a place  to plug
> > > in   good old  USA power..
> > >  wish me luck
> > >  gig@i...
> >
> >
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 994
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:44:11 -0500
From: Shannon Leo Johnson
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] [OT] PS/2 CueCat to giveaway
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello  Charles,

Well, I only got one bite, but that was all it took. It was going to
the trash if no one bite though, now it's on its way to Canada.

Thanks for letting me know what it can and can't read, I wasn't aware
of those limits, the sites I had visited did not mention them.

I hadn't realized the hate that Digital Convergence created for
themselves until I someone mentioned that CueCats could be modified
into a standard scanner and my search for information started. This one
< http://metathink.com/killcat/ > was hilariously disturbing; now
that's some white hot hate, yikes.

True it is a wand, but it is cheap, USB, Mac compatible, doesn't
require drives when modified, and, did I mention, it's cheap. I'm not
planning on doing POS stuff so cheap is good, I only want it to catalog
my books and movies.

Excelsior!
Shannon

On May 6, 2004, at 8:53 AM, Charles Ford wrote:

> Good luck getting anyone to bite. 
>
>  This scanner will read UPC-A UPC-E CODE 39 and CODE128 (used in
> cupons)
>
>  It will not read CODE 93, EAN-8, EAN-13, I-2 of 5, Cpdabar,
> MSI-Plessey
>  Code 11, or RSS.   IT will not read codes with an X dimention less
> then
>  10 mil
>            AND
>
>  IT is a WAND :-(  The most dificult type of scanner to use.
>
>
>  My recomendation...  It won't take up much space in your trash can.

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Yahoo! Message number: 995
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:32:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Everybody`s seen the grid modules on eebay right?

Actually, the seller is a woman, and I bought a GPIB
module from her a couple of months ago.
I haven't used it yet.
-Shawn

> I think a GPIB interface module just went by with no
> bids the other day from 
> the same guy.
> 
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Yahoo! Message number: 996
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:40:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang..

Oh, I forgot to add a comment on my last post.  I have
two of the Ethernet pods.  They slide into the battery
compartment.
Also be aware that they their output is a 16 pin AUI
connector.  Then I have an AUI to Ethernet adapter on
it that changes the signal to 10 mbps Ethernet using a
BNC connector and RG-58 cable.
-Shawn

--- Charles Ford <cjford1@...> wrote:
> Yes...  There are two ways to go.
> 
> There is a module for the pod bay (open the pod bay
> door Hal)
> 
> Or you can get one of those parallel port (pocket
> ether net) adapters.
> 
> 
> In any case you will likely need NDIS for your home
> network which is nto
> supported by WIN 3.10 (386 enhanced required)
> 
> There may be a DOS level NDIS layer ???  Any help
> from the 1520 gang?
>  
> 
> --- Dane Bruce <commercialtruckguy@...>
> wrote:
> 
> ---------------------------------
> any ethernet adapters exist for a 1520?
>  
> Dane
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Charles Ford 
> Sent: May 3, 2004 6:33 AM 
> To: RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Re: hello gang.. 
> 
> I don't seem to have that problem with my 1530.
> 
> I use the ethernet adapter and attach directly into
> my home network.
> Surfs almost as fast as the P3 on my desk.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Gig <gig@...> wrote:
> > ha ha,
> > funny...  well like i said i need slow  and i
> guess that what's i got!!
> > if i have any problem with what i bought  you 
> guys on the board will
> > know 
> > first
> > Gig
> > At 03:31 AM 4/30/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> > >The craziest thing I did with my 1550sx was to
> run that Arachne
> > >browser and take it for a spin on the information
> superhighway.
> > >Browsing the web on a 20Mhz DOS machine gives a
> whole new meaning to
> > >the word SLOW.   Snails on qualuudes move faster
> than that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In RuGRiD-Laptop@yahoogroups.com, "giguchan"
> <gig@i...> wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >   and thanks for replying.... Well yes  i
> bought the  1550SX  kinda
> > > > for the same reason- it did  appeal  to me  it
> was a different kind
> > > > of LT  and now that i made the guy who USED to
> own it a rich man by
> > > > paying  way more than i should have  I guess
> when it gets her from
> > > > the UK..(yes i was kinda scared)  I can get
> back to programming..
> > > > yes you are right it's a slow computer  and
> thats what my sabers
> > >and
> > > > the like -like....I already sold my maxtrac's 
> and i'm waiting for
> > > > my cdm's  to arrive.... but they will be
> programmed on a different>
> > > LT..I tried to use a 486  and nothing worked!! 
> i was told slow was
> > > > the way to go....  so thats what i did  I have
> heard of MO SLOW...
> > > > but never tried it.....Like i said  i was a
> bit worried about the
> > > > voltage  (uk)  but i was assured that  there
> was a place  to plug
> > > > in   good old  USA power..
> > > >  wish me luck
> > > >  gig@i...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Yahoo! Message number: 997
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 09:51:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Dane Bruce
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Everybody`s seen the grid modules on eebay right?

would any of this stuff below work for a 1520?

 

Dane

 

GRID SCSI Interface Cartridge 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3478754200

Grid Dual RS232 Interface Expansion Cartridge
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3478748984

GRID Honeywell Miniature Fiberoptic Modems - PAIR
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3094778757

I think a GPIB interface module just went by with no bids the other day from
the same guy.

and..

GRID EXTERNAL RAPID BATTERY CHARGER W/ 2 BATTERIES
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3477942201

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Yahoo! Message number: 998
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:38:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shawnerz
Subject: Re: [RuGRiD-Laptop] Everybody`s seen the grid modules on eebay right?

I "think" the SCSI, GPIB, and Dual RS-232 would work. 
I don't know about the Fiber Modem.

The reason I say, "I think" it will work is because I
have these items, they all fit, but I haven't actually
powered them up and tested them on my 1520's.

I forogt to add in my other posts that the drivers and
software included for the Ethernet adapter are Zipped
and in the Files area as 15XXlan.zip.
Enjoy,
-Shawn

--- Dane Bruce <commercialtruckguy@...>
wrote:

---------------------------------
would any of this stuff below work for a 1520?
 
Dane
 
GRID SCSI Interface Cartridge  
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Grid Dual RS232 Interface Expansion Cartridge 
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GRID Honeywell Miniature Fiberoptic Modems - PAIR 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3094778757

I think a GPIB interface module just went by with no
bids the other day from 
the same guy.

and..

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Yahoo! Message number: 999
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:18:35 -0000
From: "vellamario2000"
Subject: Gridcase 1535 EXP

The Expansion tray besides a power supply and cooling fans has an ISA 
slot on one side and another smaller 31 pin slot on the other side.

Any ideas on this smaller slot?

I also have a model 34010/1500 series serial cartridge with a 19 pin 
(RS232 outer size) female socket where each hole has a pin in its 
center. What adapter could i use?

Thanks in advance

Mario




 

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